Happy Jack

Listen to Boggus. Thousands of us who have shot millions of 45ACP rounds know he is correct.

Under the current WBAS rules only Magazine 3 is legal at a sanctioned match. Magazine 2 is the same length but the leather pad is attached to an existing base pad.

12 bore, I guess we have a failure to communicate. I know exactly what you are saying. I am saying that we are no going to allow any material that extends the length of a mil spec length magazine other than natural leather to keep in the spirit of Wild Bunch. It isn't about the overall length of the magazine as much as it is about the spirit of the game.

12 Bore, I fully understand your position about 1 type of pad not being an advantage over another but I just don't see us going there. The prohibition of any type of base pad was in effect for over 11 years. Base pads were not in use during the time period WBAS covers. Finally after years of complaints about pinched and bloodied hands we relented and decided that the leather pads some of us used since the 60's in IPSC, later USPSA would be allowed. There was still significant resistance but we finally allowed them as leather was at least period correct material. As J Frank says, at local matches I don't see an issue if the club agrees but at Sanctioned matches they would not be legal. We have worked very hard over the years to make the rules reasonable and as shooter friendly as possible while maintaining the initial objectives of WBAS. Welcome to the game.

Twelve Bore: The answer to your question is NO The Wilson magazines have a "removable base pad" by definition that is a base pad and adding a leather top on it does not meet the requirement.

NICE !!!! :) I actually read the article but can't really print it out to show others. Appreciate all you do for WBAS.

Not sure, where do you live ??? You might check with Boggus Deal here on the wire. Pecos Clyde was working part time for Johnny Meadows before Johnny moved and Clyde was doing some Model 12 work. Idaho Six Gun Sam's husband Mark is an awesome 12 smith but I don't think he does work for the general public, just a couple of close friends.

I think this has run it's course. It is appreciated that PaleWolf clarified the CAS rule and its upcoming clarification.

It has always been the objective of the WBAS Committee to reduce or eliminate many penalties that were in CAS but we can only go so far. There was considerable push back a couple of years ago that we had gone too far. So we are trying to strike a balance that favors the shooter but is still acceptable to the overall body and the management of SASS. With that understanding the rule as written will not be changed but we still give the shooter at least one option to avoid the penalty that CAS does not allow.

I think another part of it was the "old guard" having a total aversion to discarding a long gun muzzle down. The modern clubs that use Founders Ranch use regular blue barrels to discard long guns. The WB weren't even interested in a MGM discard rack that Boggus brought to demonstrate. Maybe the new "advisors" will be more open to newer ideas??? Anyway I'm through fighting with the whole bunch after 11 years. Time for new blood to take over.

Dusty, I am SO GLAD you used barrels to discard a long gun. I had tried for 3 years to get it at EOT but the Wild Bunch said NO !!! They didn't think plastic barrels was in keeping with the "Old West Look". They were adamant. I said it was about safety not looks. They didn't care. Keep up the good work.

I agree 100% with Grouchy Spike. Systems similar to that are listed as examples of illegal recoil reducing devices. Chang it out and it is a legal modern pistol.

Silvertip, when charging the pistol it IS LEGAL to cock the hammer first then rack the slide. Be careful of muzzle direction when doing it.

Some shooters use the modified hammers on MODERN category guns. Seems to help. You might contact Boggus deal about it. I think he has modified some stock hammers.

Dusty, Absolutely AMAZING match. I sure wish I could make it but weather and health prevent. Have FUN !!!!

YES correct. No more printed Chronicles as I understand it.

I run 3gun shoots here on my range every month. There are basically 3 different 3gun sponsoring organizations. Rules are slightly different. 3gun is setup as an unlimited round count sport to push speed. Same as some other handgun sports.

Wild Bunch is a shooting competition. I think a better question is why does CAS allow you to make up misses??? No other shooting sport on the planet allows misses to be made up.

In response to the question about a Lady winning overall AND Ladies category?? NO, the top shooter entered in the Ladies category of the correct age bracket is the TOP Lady. As for the issue of adding Senior to WBAS it already dilutes a very small shooter pool. I am opposed to adding any more Official categories. As we see in CAS there are a number of Unofficial categories such as Outlaw, Josie Wales, etc. If a local area wants to have an unofficial category, doughboy, etc. I have no problem with that. As we have seen with CAS though over the years even with a much larger shooter pool these Unofficial categories have never really caught on to the extent that they have been proposed as Official ones.

Mine are set at 3#. And I agree with Boggus. Weight isn't as important as a good clean break.

Trigger finger violations are an MSV Not a SDQ. Usually shooters are given 1 or with a less experienced shooter sometimes 2 warnings. Then the MSV's begin to pile up. There is NO limit on how many MSV's a shooter may get on a single stage or throughout a match. They DO NOT progress through the SDQ/MDQ process.

Even with lead bullets in the cartridges used for BAMM the only target material that will stand up is AR550 or AR500. MGM targets in ID uses 550 and Action Target in UT uses 500. Some other target companies like Salute, etc. Use 500 0r 550. AR 450 will NOT stand up to the punishment. Since I have shot IDPA/USPSA and IDPA for years I don't find pasting up targets to be a real handicap.

I don't remember seeing any, BUT, they ARE LEGAL for sanctioned WBAS matches. They should be for CAS but politics got in the way and the WB decided against them after a rowdy TG Summit meeting.

C.N. Double: You are CORRECT

In over 50 years of loading 45ACP with hundreds of shooting discussions with other reloaders I have never heard of anyone using a Lee FCD for 45ACP.