Jorge

Why use either #4 or #6?

Well, he did start the thread. And it was interesting data.

J Frank, It would have been interesting to have used some Federal primers in your testing. I too use small primer brass on occasion.....

Perhaps I was unclear with my premise. In essence, the idea is to LOWER the current "Classic" rifle power factor from 150 to about 75-80, which is what I suspect the current .38's are. The 1911 power factor would stay at 150 (minimum).

I'll bet that the Snowball would melt quickly.

OMG, I doubt that the PF for all rifles would ever return to 150. It is too unpopular. Tracker Jack, the 150 is POWER FACTOR. The 750-800 was meant to be FEET PER SECOMD. I did misuse the term, so I'll correct imy premise statement Old metal targets may be a problem with a high power factor. With our AR 500, we have found no damage, but not all clubs have such targets.

I would suspect that most competitors using a .38 rifle, Cowboy or Wild Bunch, are using a velocity of 750-800, at least. This is based on a revolver power factor of 60, and the using the same rounds, the rifle adds 100-150fps, easily. So the POWERR FACTOR may be in the 75-80 range already. Using a >.40 rifle, with a PF of 150 is a disadvantage, many would agree, as it is easily twice the power factor of the .38's. I might propose changing the Power Factor for the rifle in Wild Bunch to 80, or any value <100, for any caliber rifle, in any class. This would lessen the advantage of using a .38, and it may allow someone shooting in a "Classic" category to compete with those in an "Open" category. The 1911 Power Factor would still be 150. Discussion? Kevlar is on.

None of this is new. Implementation is not encouraged, it seems, currently.

Yes, chonographing the ammo seemed to have more importance "in the old days."

how many are signed up for the Wild Bunch State Match? What categories are going to be offered?

At any of the recent "bigger shoots," especially Land Run or End of Trail, were ammo samples tested for Power Factor? Just curious.

Overloaded rounds-Shotgun-loading more rounds than stage requires, or more than 6, whichever is less. Glossary Failure to adhere to loading and unloading procedures. P 29. SDQ He loaded more than 2 shotgun rounds, that the stage called for. Firearm Cleared-no live or empty case in or on the chamber, magazine, or carrier. Glossary range operations-Shotgun will be CLEARED and discarded, etc, and Shotgun is safe to leave the shooter's hands EMPTY. Page 19 The shooter was not going to use the shotgun later, so it was not being re-staged for further use. So, I would say Stage DQ, perhaps two, which would be MDQ.

I posed the question in our WBAS RO area. I hope it is viewed favorably.

Boggus, why didn't you think of that? you would be rolling in the dough from the royalties.

Looks like an idea long overdue. Since it is not specifically allowed, let's get an official ruling and see if it can be legal.