Happy Jack

Reading the WBAS Shooter's Handbook Version 15 page 12. This section has NOT changed for at least 8 years. There is NO mention of a Model 12 trench or riot gun configuration being legal. As an aside adding a heat shield with bayonet attachment to an existing 1897 if it was not originally manufactured as one is also ILLEGAL. Page 27 same handbook under ILLEGAL items: Slings or bayonets on main match long guns.

I AGREE ENTIRELY !!!! We have been able to maintain the WBAS forum as an informative and helpful place for those seriously interested in WBAS shooting to come for information. If it were to become merged with the current SASS wire I am sure it will become just another mess.

NO There are NO listed external modifications listed for BAMM rifles. Must be AS ISSUED with original iron battle sights. WBAS SHB page 17

Slides are available. Basically stripped. Buy a KART barrel. Fitting the barrel to the frame/slide is not a job for the beginner. Better off to get parts to someone like Boggus Deal and have him fit everything. Better yet tell him what you want and he can do the whole job. Will need the frame to make everything fit. NOT an easy job if the frame is off spec at all. Expect it to cost a few hundred $$ total for parts/labor. Sometimes it is cheaper to get an inexpensive pistol and have it tuned than trying to retrofit. JMHO from someone in the business for 50+ years. Talk to Boggus. He will give you good advise and is currently active. I'm retired.

NO There is no exception in the WBAS rifle requirements for the 56-50.

I shoot both. Most of mine are flat but if I were to change anything I would put arched ones on some of my pistols. They just feel better to me. But not enough better to spend the money to replace a bunch.

just send it to LASSITER Tom's Single Action Shop in New Lebanon, OH 45345 He ONLY does phone calls 937-687-1039 He is the ONLY gunsmith in the country that actually fixes Lightnings

The official rule ONLY addresses main match long guns. Firearms used in side matches: BAMM, Teddy Rosevelt , Doughboy, etc. are not addressed.

this ^^^^^^^^ Trigger is too light for all but the finest quality 1911's used for serious target work. RIA's like most of the lower cost 1911's are machined to "less than perfect" quality. Even my bullseye 1911's have 3.5-4# triggers. There are plenty of "gunsmiths" but very few "1911 pistolsmiths".

Adding to Boggus's comments. The only problem you might run into is WEIGHT. Some of the pistols with dust cover rails get pretty heavy. I remember one of the Springfield tactical models we checked was overweight.

Try Johnny Meadows in AZ Only sells CAS competition ready firearms. I have never heard of anyone not VERY happy with his work. johnnymeadows55@yaho.com

The compensator is illegal. SHB page 12 as per Elwood. Also slings on long guns are illegal. SHB page 27. As Elwood stated local club level matches can choose to be more lenient.

Doc, for legitimate Krag info contact Guntraders in Redmond, OR. It is owned by our WBAS Committee member Texas Jack Morales. He deals in huge numbers of WWII and earlier firearms. He is our early firearms specialist for Wild Bunch. Will tell you the truth and if you want something he can probably find it. May take awhile in the current atmosphere.

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Baltimoreed 11754 There is no problem with you building a "trench gun" from parts for personal use HOWEVER such a gun would be ILLEGAL for use at a sanctioned WBAS match. Adding the handguard or other parts to make a normal model 12 resemble a "trench gun" is NOT listed as an allowable external modification in the rules. Also a sling is specifically listed as an illegal item on a WBAS main match long gun. Have fun with your build but the modified gun would not be legal for use in Wild Bunch.

I prefer the Mernickle one because I can place 2 rifle cartridges in it and have blank spaces before my 45Colt broken cartridge extractor.

After discussion and an education from Bubba the Committee is in complete agreement. The Philippine Kraig is ABSOLUTELY LEGAL for BAMM use in Wild Bunch.

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Doc, No. The modified Krag rifles would no be legal. The rifles have to be "as issued" with no modifications.

I sent a note to Bubba to make the final decision on this rifle and the answer will be posted here in a few days. Like me, he doesn't do a lot of computer stuff so be patient.

Trooper: Vectan A1 loads that look reasonable for MV and pressure: 45ACP 200 or 230 grain bullet: 4.5 grains 45 Colt 200 or 230 grain bullet: 6.0 grains Both loads are about 60% of max chamber pressure so hopefully won't cause any problems as a starting point. Based on Quickload data. No absolute guarantees but what I would use.

Trooper I will check on Quickload later today. Will post results here.

Jack, first of all that pistol is NOT legal at a sanctioned match. Aluminum frames are not allowed. My suggestion is not to waste another penny on the gun. Sell it !!! Make sure it isn't to a friend or they won't be anymore. Right now you can sell about anything for a good price. Go look for a Springfield mil spec.

Agree with GJ. Rule states "after the first round is fired........" Off to unloading table, then back for a reshoot.

Last word I got the new WBAS 2021 rules will be posted on the SASS website this week.