Happy Jack

GJ is right about the reason for starting the stage condition 3. SASS overall guidelines. However we require the thumb safety to be checked for proper function on EVERY pistol at EVERY match. Therefore we are considering coming up with a rule that would justify its use sometime during the stage. Just thinking about it. NOT making any changes soon.

I'm coming down for the WBAS match. Hope to get there Sunday before the class ends.

Can't help but I think Original Lumpy Grits (OLG) on the main SASS wire might be able to help. I think he does/has used it for 45ACP. Knowledgable guy. I would trust his advise.

Juiceharp, If you are serious about a 1911 in 9mm for 3 gun you may as well get what I and most of the top competitors shoot: An STI Edge or one of their really top end open class models. I shoot an Edge and it is an absolutely amazing pistol. I've been a 1911 guy for over 50 years and have owned/built/sold/collected the same all that time. The Edge is my favorite.

I agree with Joe LaFives. I've shot IPSC/USPSA and IDPA for many years (40+ IPSC and a charter founding member of IDPA) and host modern 3gun matches at my range regularly. You need different pistols for different disciplines. With your budget A Glock ( I personally hate them but they function great) for 3gun/USPSA/IDPA and an inexpensive 1911 for Wild Bunch.

I wasn't there, but the feedback I have received agreed with Boggus. The only problems mentioned were due to attempting to use a tactical reload. One shooter was given a reshoot because the TO stopped him (RO interference) and others ended up with a "P" or had to take extra time to clear the pistol before restaging. With the limited round count in WBAS a tactical reload at this time is usually a BAD idea. We allow them but it is up to the shooter to decide if it is an advantage. I was also told that the slide forward on an empty chamber or spent round changing from a SDQ to a MSV was well received. (especially since it happened a few times)

NO. This has been discussed many times over the years and the decision has always been no.

Glad the class went well. I am afraid I can't take any credit for the Power Point. LL and Serenity did it all. All I did was get the rules straightened out so they could make the presentation. Hopefully most of our shooters will take the class.

It is NOT the recommended method of loading the pistol, BUT we felt it should not be against the rules to do so since it is done by some. Therefore the MSV for dropping a round in the chamber and then closing the slide is no longer against the rules. If you want to take the chance of damaging your firearm by doing it, go ahead.

Dead Head, Joe LaFives was involved in writing the WBAS stages. His round count for WBAS is correct. The round count on the Website is for the main Cowboy Match.

Back 40, Boggus Deal is the MD this year. I don't think there is time during setup at WR for a warm-up. He might be able to give you some more info. You might get in touch with Legendary Lawman who is always there a few days early to see if they shoot somewhere else.

Jackaroo, There was a LOT of though put into the rule changes. The committee members have over 150 years combined experience with the 1911. We are not concerned about a loaded magazine put into a 1911. Since the CA "drop test" went into effect many years ago the slide going forward on a loaded magazine isn't going to cause an unintended discharge. Yes, I know there are some older pistols in use from before the test was established. In over 50 years as an active dealer, collector, builder and shooter of 1911's I have never heard of a time a slide went forward on a gun out of the shooter's hand and it fired. Anything is possible, but we don't write rules to cover "anything".

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After a discussion with the SASS BOD the decision has been made that local and State WBAS matches may score with EITHER Stage Points or Total Time. Official Sanctioned matches at the Regional, Territorial, National or World Championship level with be scored by Stage Points.

At the present time tritium sights are LEGAL on modern pistols. We may discuss them further next year but I don't really expect them to be outlawed since they are in use now.

We intend to keep stage points for major matches. (WR, EOT) Until the problems with DNF's and SDQ's are addressed successfully with TT we plan to keep the system. As for the issues at EOT the problems occur with ANY scoring system when there is a SDQ or a DNF when you score within category (a small pool) the SDQ or DNF becomes a huge factor. When you re-score with a large pool (total shooters for overall) the SDQ/DNF becomes a much smaller factor. That is just the way math works. One thing being considered is IF Overall Winners are going to continue (SASS likes them) Instead of scoring within category and then re-scoring Overall we may just do like TT and RP currently score. Just score everyone together in Overall and then pick the category winners out of that list in order. That would make it impossible for a person to NOT win their category and place above others in their category overall. The downside is you loose the pure within category scoring. You can't have it both ways.

I have sent an email to the other Committee members for clarification. Will post as soon as I hear back.

AWESOME !!!!!!!! Fantastic idea that really worked.

The reload problem asked by August and answered by Frank will in all probability become a non-issue starting Jan. 01. We are changing several rules and eliminating others.

Fear not. We aren't going to lower PF. Not going to 9mm pistols or 38 rifles. NOT adding new categories. At least as long as the current leadership is here. Most of those objecting have never and will never shoot Wild bunch. Just their red herring complaint of the day.

The bullet weight, pistol weight, power factor, are NOT negotiable. We had an actual member of the Wild Bunch Committee DQ'd because his power factor was 149.5 at Winter Range. I don't know anyone who shoots 180 grain bullets in their 45ACP. We pull bullets and weigh them if it is close. Not being a prick but the rules are the rules. You push the edge someday you will fail. Remember the chronograph and the scale in use at the match are the official ones and the results cannot be challenged. Not every scale and chrono agree so I would advise you don't push the edge. We have DQ'd people with factory ammo listed as 160 power factor but it was only 145.

When considering the change to 7 in the magazine the Committee gave serious thought to the rifle. We believe that MOST rifle sequences will go to 7 rounds in order to keep engagement sequences similar. The rifle is the least emphasized firearm in WBAS.

There are a lot of 5 target sets. 7 on 5 1,1,2,3,4,5,5. A variation of the Rattler John with 14 on 6 1,1,2,3,4,5,6 1,2,3,4,5,6,6

Re-shoot due to "match equipment failure". In this case "timer failure" even though it may be due to poor TO position. Check timer for proper operation before re-shoot. Make sure TO is paying attention. If no re-shoot Score posted as DNF. Ask shooter to re-shoot. If they won't take the DNF and gets belligerent: MDQ Unsportsman-like conduct.

There is not now and there are no plans to have another Sanctioned category using smaller caliber firearms. Local clubs can do whatever they wish. Although it was before Wild Bunch became a SASS Sanctioned sport Holy Terror was only 12 and she shot a 45 Colt rifle, a 12 gauge shotgun and loved to shoot her granddad's (Evil Roy) 1911 in 45ACP.