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Congratulations BD, You are becoming quite the buckle bunny! JFN
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1911 military holster question
J. Frank Norfleet replied to Lone roc ranger's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
One time I picked up a real nice military rig made by El Paso Saddlery. It was their Pershing model complete with a hanger so that you could button the flap up and out of the way. As Joe said the draw was not bad from the holster. What was a bear were the military style mag pouches, too deep and a flap in the way. And mag changes are a big part of this game. Even though it looked cool it never made it to a match and eventually it was sold to finance something else. -
Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
J. Frank Norfleet replied to Lone Dog's topic in Wild Bunch Rules Forum
"Amen" Now what is an auto 5? -
Joe Lafives, Thank you for a great match. I do recognize that the stand alone match fee for Wild Bunch is $80 less than for the Cowboy match. And I would like to point out that the WB match is a 2 day 10 stage match as opposed to a 3 day 12 stage. That is an observation and not a complaint. I shoot both formats and find them equally enjoyable. Thank you for a well organized, enjoyable match. JFN
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Talked to WR the morning the wire went down. My range bag is on its way JFN
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Well never heard the PA. As to the ticket, because I have never won anything I have viewed that with a smile. Dillon, Ruger and the other fine sponsors donate really cool stuff. I don't get a ticket because my main match is considered a side match. I am scared about what might happen if I ever won a pair of SASS Rugers. As I said before I decided that this was not going to have an effect on what I feel is a really great match. Though I did get asked a lot of questions as I walked away from the registration window.
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I agree with Boggus, I too was getting the feeling of 20, 10, 6; kind of cowboyish. I would like to have had 1 or 2 thirty round pistol stages with 3 or 4 twenty-five round pistol stages in the mix. Other than that the stages were well written and fun to shoot. Match was well organized and ran incredibly smooth. My kudos to the WBAS committee. And when I asked the second time for a range bag I was told emphatically NO! Also, no ticket for the drawing of stuff that was donated to Winter range. I wasn't about that detail ruin enjoying a really great match put on by some really great people and getting to shoot with some fun folks. JFN
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http://winterrange.com/2016results.html
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45 acp COL and crimping issue
J. Frank Norfleet replied to Red Eye's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
Listen to Boggus, get a case gage! I don't seat the bullets to a printed COL. Seat them to what will chamber every time which generally means seating the lead bullet as deep as possible. If the throat on your barrel is not free bored, the bullet will contact the throat before the case mouth can contact the chamber. A case gage will give you honest feedback while you are reloading. -
Leading problems in 45 ACP
J. Frank Norfleet replied to J. Frank Norfleet's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
Tully, Not yet. JFN -
That is a funny line!
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On March 9, 1916, Pancho Villa and his troops invaded the US and attacked Columbus, New Mexico and the nearby Army Post, Camp Furlong. On March 15, 1916, Gen. Pershing and his troops crossed the border into Mexico.
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Well, that is a shame. Last year's stages were really fun. Lots of pistol and the targets weren't in a line. For once I didn't feel I was shooting Cowboy with a 1911. No remarks from the easily offended, I just felt it was a really good match. JFN
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Yee Haw!!!! I get to repost my favorite Christmas video. Merry Christmas to you all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzV_UCQFY6w
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Recipe information please
J. Frank Norfleet replied to El Muerto Negro's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
Cost, RD and now Promo are cheaper. -
Recipe information please
J. Frank Norfleet replied to El Muerto Negro's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
Sadly Joe I have blown a pistol up. I did it by using the "most accurate" load out of a printed Nosler load manual for the Nosler bullets I was loading. A small case (40 S&W) with a bulky powder, so it wasn't a double charge. It was a Glock, so a new mag and mag release and we were good to go again. We all have different experiences which shape our recommendations. This is why I believe a chronograph is more important. Few people will spend the $100 for an inexpensive chronograph. We get lazy and use someone else's data whether it is published in a manual by a reputable company or from "Joe Reloader." My laziness that day taught me a lesson. So you recommend a load manual and I will recommend a chronograph and maybe we will get new reloaders to buy both! JFN -
Recipe information please
J. Frank Norfleet replied to El Muerto Negro's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
Joe, That is true, no offense intended! We are both using the chronograph to get to our goal. I personally will no longer will buy a manual for a starting point when that information is free on the internet. That $ is better spent on a chronograph. JFN -
Recipe information please
J. Frank Norfleet replied to El Muerto Negro's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
Kid, The 160 gr are not legal for WBAS, so burn them up in practice. Who cares how they are loaded. The 200 gr are legal and when I shot them in my pistol (past tense), I loaded 200 gr RNFP bullets with 4.5 gr Red Dot to get 806 fps for a 161 PF (Win large Mag primer at 1.185 COL) out of my pistol. If your 200 grain bullets are round nose flat points you might save them for you rifle. I can't feel any difference between 200 gr and 230 gr bullets loaded to 160+ PF in my rifle. But for a reason I can't explain I like the 200 gr RNFP better. Future pistol bullet purchases should be 230 gr bullets. I shoot 230 grain bullets over Red Dot for practice and local matches because it is cheap and I like to shoot a lot. For major matches work up loads using the Trail Boss (or WST) because it is a slower burning powder. TB is the powder I use in my rifle. I respectfully disagree with GJ, I consider printed hand-load books absolutely worthless. Your best load data is what you develop using your own chronograph. Find a starting load here or Handloads.com and chronograph it! JFN -
Recipe information please
J. Frank Norfleet replied to El Muerto Negro's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
I shoot Red Dot and/or Promo for practice and local matches. 230 grain bullet, 3.8 gr Promo or RD and a small primer case will give me a PF of 159. Large primer cases will give a bit more fps to bump the PF up to 162. Your pistol might give you something different so chronograph your loads. Start at 3.6 to 3.8 until you find the load for your pistol. As I stated above my best guess on TB is 4.0 grains behind a 230 gr bullet. -
Leading problems in 45 ACP
J. Frank Norfleet replied to J. Frank Norfleet's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
LASC stands for what? -
CMP Now Authorized To Sell Surplus M1911's
J. Frank Norfleet replied to Sgt. John Campbell's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
Only 10,000 to be sold, if I read correctly. I bet they will be expensive! Not the $12 they were in the early '60s -
Leading problems in 45 ACP
J. Frank Norfleet replied to J. Frank Norfleet's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
Thank you for all your replies. I will send the link of this thread to him so he can read it. -
Here is a question for all you reloading wonks. Having shot Glocks for years I think that cleaning your pistol is something you do when you have nothing else better to do or if you have a major match. I have treated my 1911s the same way. I will go a couple thousand rounds between cleanings (except for a couple drops of oil on the rails if the slide gets sluggish). I have had no problems. I will get a half an inch of leading just beyond the throat of my barrel and that is all. I have used Promo, Red Dot, Tite Group and WST with the same results. Now there is my neighbor. He shoots tactical 2 gun matches. His 1911 will gum up and accuracy will degrade after 200 rounds. He wants to know why. He is shooting a hard cast 185 gr bullet on top of 4.5 gr of tite group. Both of his pistols react the same way, one is Colt and the other is a Kimber. I have used 230 gr bullets from the same manufacturer for many years and now shoot bullets cast from lead from those bullets recovered from my private range. So we shoot basically the same alloy. So why is leading such a problem for him. I have used Tite Group before so I don't think it is the powder. We are shooting bullets of the same alloy so I don't think it is the bullets. Is it the load?
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Recipe information please
J. Frank Norfleet replied to El Muerto Negro's topic in Reloading for Wild Bunch
El Muerto, look real hard at the Trail Boss. It is slower burning than the Clays and Clay Dot. It is slightly slower than Winchester WST, which is a great powder with the 230 gr bullet. Slower burning powders and the 230 will give you less felt recoil. And to quote Jerry Miculek, "If your gun ain't on the target, you ain't winnin'." Find a Chronograph. Someone else's load may work for them but be entirely different in your pistol. Not chronographing your pistol load is a recipe for a MDQ. I won't try TB in my pistol until I am out of WST. But, 3.6 gr Trail Boss, Federal LP & 225 hard cast bullet gives me 163 PF out of my 17.5 inch 45 ACP rifle. I suspect that 3.8 to 4.0 gr and a 230 gr bullet will give about the same PF. But you better chronograph it. -
Dittos to both the above posts. Avoid the '97 and the 3" "duck" model 12. Look for a plain jane M12. And get one in "like new" condition. And there are lots of them out there with a reasonable price tag, and by reasonable I mean $250 to $300. The M12 will shoot 1000's of rounds so avoid those that have fired those rounds. If possible find one with a flag on the carrier and instal a titanium firing pin and enjoy.