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J. Frank Norfleet

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  1. Hey everyone, Re-read the USPSA rule above. The IDPA rules have "cover the trigger guard." That to me leaves a lot to interpretation. Why do they want to cover the trigger guard? So no one can activate the trigger. USPSA is a lot clearer when it says, " . . . completely prevent access to, or activation of, the trigger while holstered." That wording saves a lot of grief when dealing with anal people. JFN
  2. USPSA rules 5.2.7.4 "A holster which does not completely prevent access to, or activation of, the trigger while holstered." Tell me how this Mernickle holster doesn't meet the USPSA requirements. Untitled.pdf
  3. Come to NM in April. It is NOT a SASS sanctioned match.
  4. Since this is on the CAS side it ought to be here too. JFN files.constantcontact.com:.webloc
  5. Match was beyond excellent! I haven't shot a warmup in over 10 years. But with 4 stages of DB and TR run with the warmup, I signed up for TR and had a blast. JFN
  6. I didn't include Lady or Youth categories because they weren't a large enough sample to illustrate the age differences between Europe and the US shooters. But I did dig out some other interesting information. The Arizona Rough Riders match is the only one that is still in the same venue after all these years, first as Winter Range and now as EoT. I don't think going from a National Championship to a World Championship harmed them. It is still the same match just a different name. So here is how their numbers break out before 2020/2021 and after. I got the WR numbers from the Cowboy Chronicle and the recent EoT numbers from their scores. Cowboy shooters WB shooters WR 2018 756 125 WR 2019 756 125 WR 2020 661 125 Covid bomb hit EoT 2021 Shot in Indiana EoT 2022 681 142 EoT 2023 657 142 From the addition of the first WB match to WR until 2020, the number of WB shooters was limited to 125 shooters. Larson Pettifogger states this in his July, 2018, article in the Cowboy Chronicle. Beginning in 2022, more WB shooters were allowed to enter. I don't know where the upper limit is set. But what I can see by comparing 2018/19 to 2022/23, is that the Ben Avery venue lost roughly 10% of their cowboy shooters while the number of WB shooters went up roughly 10%. Why is SASS focused on increasing the number of WB shooters? Are they loosing cowboy shooters? JFN
  7. FJT, Been thinking about your email to the ambassadors and this thread here. Since you said much more in the email than in your posts here I'm going to quote some of it. "I hope that I made it clear; the significant number of shooters at Days of Truth who were participating in the WB match weren’t WB shooters grudgingly engaging in a Cowboy match; these are cowboy shooters who wanted to play a bit more, with different guns. That is an audience to consider, if we truly want to help Wild Bunch to survive, thrive and grow. As we struggle to find the heart and soul of what the heck IS Wild Bunch, the Europeans seem to have come down firmly on one side. As FB said, if they don't end the day with a smile, they won't come back. The European match directors seemingly want Cowboy shooters to join. Judging from the enthusiastic number of new and returning participants, they are. So, that’s how they pitch their matches. They are not just catering to, as Frenchie Boy says, the top 10% of WB shooters. Those shooters are going to win, no matter what match you put in front of them." You also stated, "The WB match that I shot, (and, believe me I asked!) and indeed, most European WB matches, are pitched at cowboys. So, they are cowboy matches, but with a greater degree of difficulty. But they are not precision pistol matches. The result is not what I would call “dumbing down” the nature of WB, because the match I shot was still a great match, and the best shooters out there won. But it allowed a wide variety of shooters to participate, and have fun." In your email you point out that the WB and Cowboy match use the basically the same steel with different scenarios. That is really what the Arizona Rough Riders do. Cowboy stages are written and the WB stages are written on top of them with some steel added and some moved. The WB match at EoT and formerly Winter Range has always been well attended. I signed up for my first WB match there in 2013, I didn't get to go because the WB match had sold out. I have never known them to not limit the number of WB shooters. I do agree the closer steel attracts more WB shooters; i.e. Winter Range would sell out and EoT in NM didn't. I think that there is a bigger reason that DoT had 40% of its cowboy shooters shoot WB. Look no farther than demographics. United States SASS members and WB shooters are aging. So here's how the demographics break down for most recent matches for Days of Truth, End of Trail & Land Run. (I included Land Run but I don't think that 2022 ia a good sample because it was the first year and the problems just prior to the match. In three weeks we will have a much better idea of how the age categories break out.) So look carefully at the flipflop in numbers in the 4 main age categories for DoT and EoT. DoT EoT LR Modern 47 28 27 Sr. Mod. 16 46 25 Trad. 39 18 15 Sr. Trad. 10 18 12 I don't know how much age differential there is to have that much of a swing between those below 65 and those 65+ at DoT and EoT. I'm guessing that at least 10 years and more like 15 to 20 years. European SASS must have a much younger shooter base. We have all noted that the average age of SASS members has gone up. And I have dealt with my share of shooters that have simply gotten too old to safely run a 1911. Maybe Misty could run the numbers on shooter ages; today vs 10, 15 & 20 years ago. I think the answer to your question is simply, in the US, SASS shooters are much older. JFN
  8. My bullets cast from clip on wheel weights drop at 228 to 230 gr bullets. I sort out stick on wheel weights since they are generally pure lead. I mix them 3 lb to 1 lb Linotype. I only powder coat 9 mm since I couldn't get the tumble lube 9 mm bullets to stop leading. I tumble lube the 45 and .41 bullets because it is quick and easy. JFN
  9. Got the official word. The match is Friday, October 20th through Sunday, October 22nd. Friday will be for side matches and 10 stages on Saturday and Sunday. Good catch ya all! JFN
  10. Well dang! I just looked at the entry form and never looked at a calendar. The entry form says 20-23, that's four days and the 23rd is a Monday. I don't think that is what was intended. I understood it was Friday through Sunday, which would be the 20th through the 22nd. I'll chase down Lady Jane and get the official answer. JFN
  11. We'll start with side matches on Friday and wrap up with awards on Sunday. October 20th through 23rd. JFN
  12. Wow, Dusty good stuff. I haven't talked to them yet but I should know more after Saturday what the Chisum cowboys are planning. JFN
  13. All a very good discussion with a lot of good points. I would like to point out that our shotgun matches (Wobble Trap, Wild Bunch Clays and 5 Stand) are scored on hits alone, no time or penalties for misses involved. Your Jungle Run is a straight up timed match with makeups for misses (no weasel math). I'm not to keen on designing a match or scoring system just so nobody knows who won until the scores are tallied. I do like the idea of getting off the bench and moving in BAMM. That's why I think that TR and DB are such good ideas. Creates a whole new set of variables in course design (like the Jungle Run). This whole discussion has caused me to want to experiment with the "Mad Minute" used by the British military for training bolt action shooters before WWII. While it morphed into numerous variations, it was originally 15 rounds in 60 seconds at a 4'x4' target at 300 yards. What if it was shot with a man size 24"x16" target at 100 yards, no bench, either standing, sitting or prone? JFN
  14. CN Double and Elwood are shooting them. I just picked one up in 35 Rem. I think that is the only caliber that the brass is still "in production." But at that I had to scrounge for brass since most ammo manufacturers are busy producing ammo for Biden's little war in Ukraine. But I did find some used brass and bought a bullet mold and I am working on loads. One of the advantages of the 35 caliber is that you can shoot 357 pistol bullets. I really haven't shot it enough to have an opinion. It is easier to run that my Win 94. Magazine holds 5 rounds so for a 7 round TR match you will have to load two. JFN
  15. CN Double that is some real fine shooting! Here is the course of fire from the shooter who contacted me and prompted me to ask my original question. The targets were 20"x16" set at 65, 75 & 80; all very hittable. The kicker in the match was it was shot offhand in strong wind. He took the time and made 10 hits in 70+ seconds. The winner shot his 10 in 50 seconds with 4 misses and won by 10ths of a second. His lesson (and mine too), is, "Know the scoring rules before stepping to the line." He was still operating under the old rules where the one with the most hits wins and time is the tie breaker between shooters with the same number of hits. He wasn't aware of the scoring change (and neither was I). "Is speed king," or "Is accuracy king?" If speed is king, it is better to take a 5 second miss than to take 6 seconds to get a hit. I hate it when people can miss fast enough to win. In a match we get what we reward. in real life, I'll take accuracy over speed any day. JFN PS: I would rather that we go back to the old system of scoring with a time limit. For example: 60 seconds to shoot 10 rounds. Count the hits made in the 60 seconds, the most hits wins. Set the second beep on the timer to stop the shooter. The timer can separate any shot made close to the stop time. That will deal with Dusty's "Sandbaggers," CND's "fast and chaotic" and still make accuracy king.
  16. This causes me to ponder. . . For a 10 round match, how fast can I shoot 10 rounds with a reload? 10 seconds with a 5 second reload? I bet faster. Then 50 seconds for 10 misses. That is 75 seconds scored time. Can I win a BAMM match and never hit the target? If I am pointing at the correct targets surely I will get some hits, they would be lagniappe. In the goal to hinder the "sandbaggers" have you created an open door for the "gamers?" I'll have to experiment with this. Realism? If the research of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is correct, he found that that after WWII, the Army discovered many of the soldiers had fired lots of rounds at the enemy but that a small percentage had actually hit someone. i. e. there was a small number of soldiers who were actually hitting their targets. So I guess in that sense that fast and chaotic would be historically correct. I'd rather have fast and accurate. As I said this has caused me to ponder . . . JFN
  17. Thank you, So It has changed since I last paid attention. Is that codified anywhere in the rules? JFN
  18. BAMMsters, I have been asked this question and I looked in the handbook and match directors book and couldn't find the answer written out (maybe I'm blind). My understanding is that BAMM is scored the most hits with the fastest time. 10 out of 10 hits beats 9 out of 10 even though the 9/10 has a faster time. We don't give 5 second penalties for misses. It is the most hits with the fastest time. JFN
  19. CN Double fixed it. Now I can edit. So I have changed the title etc. JFN
  20. When I click the three dots the only option is "share." JFN
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