Happy Jack

NO CALL. IF you can't prove beyond any doubt that the shooter purposefully released the slide lock it is a Slide Lock failure. Sometimes calls go your way, some times they don't. I see both sides of the argument here, but the benefit of the doubt goes to the shooter. As for a couple of other things brought up that are not in the OP: The model 12 rule pertains to a firearm BEFORE the firearm is ever fired and the COF actually starts. The one "FINGER" warning is common in every semi-auto competition sport.

IF you chrono before the match and want to allow the shooter to change ammo, you must designate that as a "trial" or whatever you wish to call it. Some matches re-chrono and some do not. Either way you MUST be consistant. If a shooter fails the OFFICIAL chrono test it is a MDQ for Scoring purposes. A maximum accuracy chrono procedure is in the WBAS MD Guide Appendix A. Very few matches have the equipment to do it according to the procedure in the Appendix, but that method would give maximum accuracy. Remember, no matter what the conditions are and WHAT chronograph is used, it is the OFFICIAL chronograph for the match and the results are NOT appealable. Chronos vary some in accuracy so it is to the shooter's benefit to NOT push the lower limit. As an aside: The distance from the muzzle to the FIRST screen is 10 feet, and the muzzle of the firearm is to remain as LEVEL as possible between shots. The velocities of the three fastest rounds recorded are used to calculate the PF.

I was told that we had to use the SASS definitions. So even though they may be poorly worded what they meant to say was: You must completely stop at any time you are shooting a firearm if you are moving across or down range during a shooting string. In other words, you CAN shoot from multiple positions between point A and B but you must completely stop before firing a round. (and you can "adjust" only one foot once stopped) This whole thing came about because some shooters (primarily with '97 shotguns) were steping and firing at essentially the same time. So while technically they had one foot not moving while firing they were for all practical purposes firing while moving. That is forbidden in all SASS ground shooting venues.

NO, but, I understand from TJM (the Match Director)that it will be: Pistol 315 Rifle 94 Shotgun 61 Bring extra if yours is pulled for Power Factor testing and any reshoots.

JFN, you have it right.

It appears that we have a minor problem. We need to fix the definition of "CLEARED" in the glossary. We added "Action Cleared" (lever and pump action long guns) to the glossary, but failed to update "cleared". The committee struggled with how to reconcile our policy that a spent cartridge/hull in a firearm with the action open is a NO CALL with the CAS rule that it is. THAT IS STILL THE CASE !!!!! No call if the action is open. On to the history behind the new rules. Since the empty is a no call in an open firearm there was concern that shooters would just discard the firearm without fully trying to eject the last spent round. They could discard the gun with the action slightly open and just say that they tried and failed therefore making it a no call. We felt that to prevent trying this we instituted the MSV for failing to clear the action of a long gun. SEE page 28 Shooter's Handbook Glossary: ACTION CLEARED .... Opening the action far enough to extract and eject a round from the chamber. SO: you can get 2 MSV's for a spent round in a long gun. ONE for failing to perform the "Action Cleared" at the conclusion of the shooting string and TWO for having a spent round in a long gun with the Action CLOSED. However, you only get ONE if you attempted to clear the action at the conclusion of the shooting string and the empty for some reason didn't eject and is found in a gun with the action closed. You have the option of going back and clearing the long gun before firing the next round to prevent the penalty. You get NO MSV for a spent round in a discarded gun with the action OPEN. I hope this clarifies the "spent round" questions and we will try to get the Glossary updated. Incidentally there is also a MISTAKE on the Pocket RO card. It shows a SDQ for "an illegal or illegally modified firearm". That is INCORRECT. It is a MDQ for scoring purposes only. The correct penalty IS listed in the text area at the bottom of the card. In spite of our best efforts sometimes things slip through. We appreciate your patience.

Allie, there is more to it than just recoil reduction. There are many ways to internally "adjust" a 1911 to change how it operates and feels. We are doing everything we can to keep WBAS from becoming an "equipment race" and the weight restrictions on the pistol and magazines are just part of it. Holding the line on external modifications is another part.

JFN, a BIT more explaination: SEE page 7 WBAS Shooter's Handbook. The ONLY EXCEPTION to the reload from slidelock rule is when you must reload without changing positions. If you have a slidelock failure and need to move you must lock the pistol open before moving and reloading.

Adding to what Boggus said, I don't ever remember being at a Wild Bunch match that had Loading Table Officers.

The NEW April 2015 Version 8 of the WBAS Shooters Handbook and WBAS RO Manuals have been posted on the SASS Website. Will be posted on the WBAS Forum as soon as Hdqtrs. gets to it. Bottom of page 14 WBAS Shooters Handbook OFFICIAL rule: Additional magazines that the shooter may wish to have beyond those the shooter can carry in pouches may be either carried in a pocket or staged at locations of their choice on the stage.

Thank you for asking this question. It rarely happens BUT the situation is clearly covered in the rules. We have discovered through SAD experience that when you try to carve out an exception to the rules to allow for a particular circumstance (even though it seems practical) that bad things happen. Some definitions from page 28 WBAS Shooters Handbook: Pistol in hand: when the muzzle of the pistol clears the mouth if the holster .................. Stage: synonymous with "Course of Fire", from the beep of the timer once the shooter has signified "ready" to the last shot fired. Comment covering the question: WBAS Handbook page 7 No matter what occurs during the stage, it is imperative to remember the 1911 CANNOT be re-holstered until after the course of fire is completed, and it is checked clear and made safe. Penalty for re-holstering:WBAS Shooters Handbook page 20 SDQ re-holstering the pistol without it being cleared by a stage official.

I know this sounds bad, but even I am not completely sure about the list. Clyde made some changes that I am not sure about and he didn't communicate everything. To the best of my knowledge the only person who has an accurate list is Slipnoose. Nellie, will you please contact her and make up a correct list. One for general publication with areas covered and one closed with current phone#'s email, mailing addresses etc. to post on the closed wire. THANKS

I know there is a law concerning it, but my postmaster is a close friend and shoots on my range. I have certified weights and a scale at home but I know I can take mine in to the PO and weight it if I want. (very small town and do it when no other customers are around) If you live in a larger town don't even think about it ;)

I think we are overlooking something VERY important at Winter Range. We need to emphasize the ladies who competed. Out of the 114 competitors who completed the match there were 20 ladies. That is 18%. A higher rate than at the CAS match !!! CONGRATULATIONS to EVERY lady who shot the match. You are all winners and great Ambassadors for the sport. Just so they get their just due: Ladies Modern Category winner: Shamrock Sadie Ladies Traditional Category winner: Texas Tiger

I agree with Kid Rich. I will go even further. In my OPINION a live round is one with a primer, powder and bullet all in a case/hull. I don't care if the primer is in sideways, upside down, been struck, or not. If all the components are present it is a live round. If you don't think so throw it in a fire and see what happens.

Tom, got it. good luck. ;)

This is to inform anyone who will be shooting the WBAS Natl. Championship match at Winter Range next month that there will be NO RULE CHANGES. We will be using the CURRENT rulebook. There will be some changes in the Spring and the new rulebooks will be available well before EOT. All rule changes made will be in effect at EOT. Once the new rulebook is posted on the WBAS site a local club can start using them immediately IF they choose. Sanctioned matches will use the new rules effective June 01, 2015. I will post a notice on the WBAS wire when the new rulebooks are available. (probably late Match)

Obviously legal on a modern pistol. Just like removing metal from the bottom of the barrel on a rifle under the forend. The modification can't be seen so therefore under the rules it is NOT an external modification. As long as the hammer spur meets the guidelines what happens to the front of the hammer that can't be seen in it's resting position is legal. I'm not keen on allowing it on a Traditional pistol, but the Committee will have to decide IF we want to specifically deal with it on a Traditional pistol. My feeling is we will ignore it.

My comment about it being ILLEGAL on a traditional gun mostly refers to the Commander type spur. One consideration given to whether a modification is "external" is whether it can be seen when the firearm is "action closed with hammer down". After thinking about this I am not sure it would be visible when the pistol was in that condition. IF that is the case it would not be an illegal external modification on a modern pistol since "lightweight competition hammers" are allowed. On a traditional pistol if the "standard spur type hammer" were to modified on the front face it could also be legal. It could be possible that some cutting away of the front face of the hammer could be done and not be visible in the condition specified. IF that were the case and the remainder of the hammer were legal it WOULD be legal. Perhaps the "Cammer Technology" hammer would not be legal but one similar to the photo in Boggus's post could be. We will just have to look at one installed to make a final judgment.

The Committee met at the SHOT show and discussed several items. We also discussed the meeting with the Ambassadors held at the Convention in TX. Several items concerning the new CAS rules and how they will relate to WBAS rules are still under consideration. Some changes will be made to the WBAS rules because of the CAS changes but NOT immediately. One item that has been settled is the SENIOR category for WBAS matches. The following had been decided: The AGE for the Senior category is 65. (If you have already sent out registration for your State Match for 2015 and placed the Senior age at 60 you may use that age this year) In order to offer a Senior category (SMM, SMT, SLM,SLT) you MUST have ten(10) shooters in the Parent category (MM,MT,LM,LT) and at least five(5) in the corresponding Senior category. Example: 18 shooters total, 10 sign up for SMM, 8 in MM. You CANNOT have SMM because only 8 are left in MM. Example: 18 shooters total, 4 sign up for SMM, 14 in MM. You CANNOT have SMM because only 4 are in SMM. We discussed this with the Wild Bunch members at SHOT and they agee with this policy. This procedure WILL be in place for ALL WBAS Sanctioned events. (State matches and above) The entry forms for EOT 2015 have not been sent out and the SENIOR categories WILL be offered in Wild Bunch this year. Sadly, we probably won't have the necessary numbers to offer all 8 possible categories at EOT but we will offer all those that meet the minimum registration numbers. For CAS at EOT there must be 7 to offer the category, but since our overall numbers are less SASS has agreed to honor the WBAS Senior categories with only 5 shooters.

Definitely ILLEGAL on a traditional pistol. Probably illegal on a modern pistol, but not sure until we discuss it. IF it is for a non WBAS competition pistol, looks pretty interestin.

The WR Wild Bunch match will be held according the the CURRENT WBAS rules. Versions can be downloaded from this site.

I could not attend the Convention this year but Evil and Bubba are there meeting with the Ambassadors. It has been brought to our attention that there have been some SDQ's given incorrectly in relation to the Model 12 safety procedure. They will be discussed at the Convention with the Ambassadors to insure that correct information is given during the RO classes, but I wanted to give the general membership the same information. The Model 12 Safety Procedure rule: Under the direct supervision of the TO/CRO on the firing line they must point the muzzle in a safe direction and pull the trigger. If the hammer falls, SDQ. Failure to follow this procedure is a SDQ. It is the shooter's responsibility to ensure this procedure in followed before beginning the course of fire. (WBAS Shooters Handbook pages 12 and 20) Related definition: Course of fire: once the shooter has signified "ready", from the beep of the timer to the last shot fired. (WBAS Shooters Handbook page 27) A SDQ is a MAJOR penalty and often determines the outcome of a match. We do not want them given incorrectly. Some shooters are given SDQ's if they bring the SG to the line, lay it down and then go place their rifle, etc. They are given the SDQ as soon as the SG leaves their hands. That is WRONG. The rule clearly states that the Model 12 must be shown safe "before beginning the course of fire". Some shooters are given SDQ's because they didn't VERBALIZE something like "I have a model 12" before showing the safety procedure. That is WRONG. While that is common and makes it easy to be sure the TO is "directly supervising" there is NOTHING in the rule requiring the shooter to say anything. They only have to be sure the TO is directly supervising while they perform the safety procedure. As often happens in CAS people are reading things into the rule that are not there. Enforce the rule AS WRITTEN and those two serious miscalls will go away. Again, thank you for participating in WBAS and Good Shooting!!!

If WBT can't help I doubt anyone on this wire could help. Maybe Jack First in SD?? You might also try contacting Wayne Novak (Novak sights) he has thousands of Colt parts from over the years. He may or may not have what you want and he might not be interested in selling it if he does. Just a shot in the dark.

I've been busy and didn't look this over carefully until this morning. I remember working with Tex to update the books in August, but I didn't see the final draft he posted. THERE IS A MISTAKE ON THE POCKET RO CARD. While you can correct the restaged EMPTY pistol before firing the next firearm, you CANNOT at this time correct a pistol restaged containing a magazine with live rounds. The next update to the rule books in Jan. 2015 will contain the correction.