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Very simple, Garrison Joe. The Wild Bunch Rules Committee has said so. If a stage calls for 4 shotgun rounds, you load 6, jack a live one out and shoot the next round loaded, it’s illegally acquired ammo. People would only ever want to load eight in a magazine because others keep perniciously, ignorantly or arrogantly telling them it’s perfectly fine to do so. Now, GJ, the question has been asked and answered.

Perfectly fine! The only difficulty with that is to predict is when you are going to have a FTF. ;D Let's say you have a failure one time every 10 mags. Nine times you will have to clear a live round from chamber somehow, maybe costing you 2 seconds. One time it saves you a second because you don't have to load a "Barney" magazine with one round. Now you have cost yourself 17 seconds by loading every mag with 8. Your time is MUCH better spent making your gun and ammo perform perfectly with no failures. The value of that is PRICELESS! Good luck, GJ That would be perfectly fine to earn you a miss and a “P”. That eighth round would be illegally acquired ammo.

We are continually struggling to make the handbooks easier to understand and more precise!

Like with the rifle and shotgun, there is no penalty for overloading magazines. The penalties come with the use of the extra ammo or by leaving the ammo in the gun.

Only one, really. Wild Bodie Tom’s is available from his wife, Vaya Con Dios. Arlenekister29@gmail.com

Good to hear!

I’m pretty certain that ‘97 wood won’t fit but there is plenty of wood available. I keep quite a selection handy.

Nickel is fine. So is stainless. Pretty much any finish is legal as long as it doesn’t offer grip enhancement.

Screws are legal to attach the pads. However, the 1/4” total still applies.

Traditionally, 16# is the factory spring for a .45 Auto and unless you have a MUCH heavier than that in it, you should not have the issue you're having because of the spring. I run 15-16# with my light loads and never have the issue. As Tully mentioned check your extractor tunnel. I see a lot of issues from that being dirty. Now is the Model 12 running?

At a cursory glance, it looks legal in Modern.

Look right at the top of this forum. Happy Jack posted about it on the top of the rules forum.

does the one in the middle and the one on the right go all the way through the plug? im not seeing how they work... The short one doesn’t extend through the spring plug. It’s spring loaded which makes it illegal. The middle one is full length and difficult to detect without disassembling the gun.

Tungsten weighs about twice as much as same size in steel. PITA to machine too. I bet!

We have a winner! I did not realize just how heavy these were until I found one in a gun...

The first two, yes.

Can anyone tell me why these three guide rods are illegal?

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No mods needed to load 6 other than removing the wooden plug in the mag tube. Personally, I don’t use the flag. Nor do I “tilt” the gun. I just run it! My new firing pin will be available soon that will address what I consider the only weak point of the Model 12.

No because the Model 12 is so much smoother and faster than the 97. It’s in technique. Why do you think the winners of Winter Range and EOT use Model 12s?

If you take the stock off, there should be a number stamped into the face where it meets the receiver, if it’s original. I believe it could be a factory stock that’s been refinished or one from another Model 12.

If not, let me know. I have a couple.

At EOT this year, of the top eight shootoff in both ladies and men, there were only two shooters who used the '97. Maybe that should tell you something. Model 12s were used by the winners in all categories, except maybe one.

Boomstick, as long as didn’t move with a cocked, loaded gun or let it leave your hand, that’s a no call.