Boggus Deal

Just my opinion but if you were at a match and it did not have a magazine in it, I would not say anything about it.

Allie, I sure hope WBAS doesn't go the way of CAS in the respect of big, close targets with spoon fed stages!! CAS is not a shooting match, anymore. It's a speed match. Not to belittle any of these people running sub 10 second stages, but that isn't truly shooting. WBAS, with smaller, further targets and challenging scenarios, tests more than speed. It tests your accuracy. It tests your gun handling skills. It tests your ability to navigate a stage to your advantage. That is why we don't get much more crossover from SASS. Doesn't have anything to do with a rifle. The same folks who say it's the rifle cost that keeps them from coming over will be the same ones complaining about the number of rounds fired in a WBAS match. If I didn't have an SO who wants me to shoot CAS with, I'd stick to WBAS exclusively. Boggus

Dog, The sling shot method is years slower than using the slide stop. If I get a chance this weekend, I'll film and time it to try and show the difference.

Okay. Yes, two different trains of thought. Some say the slide stop is used to lock the slide back and using it to release the slide is hard on it. It is a much faster method than using the sling shot method. If it wears the gun out, my opinion is that there is something wrong. Others WILL disagree. The trigger control part is good to learn.

At certain times, other 3gun matches start your pistol hammer down on an empty chamber with NO magazine in the gun. I've also had to clear the gun on the clock and reholster!

Allie, For one thing, the 1911 was not designed for cocked and locked. The thumb safety was an addition requested by the US Army. Most other shooting sports use the same basic procedure for showing clear; magazine out, gun clear, slide down, hammer down and holster. That is for most shooting sports. The tactical people do things different. I carry a 1911 most days. It is cocked and locked. Even in WBAS, as I draw, I feel my thumb wipe down the thumb safety. Not muscle memory as much as training. I'll always argue that muscles have no memory. Disconnect your central nervous system and your muscle will not do anything.... Teacupping is the second worst possible way to use two hands. The first is to grab your strong hand wrist with your weak hand. I don't quite understand what you mean by "They did not have us unlock the slide before showing clear. They wanted us to pull it back again to make it release." Also, holding the trigger back for how long? You have to have follow through, of course and the trigger mechanism has to reset but why hold it back? Boggus

I have, WBT. Did not get to spend a lot of time with him but he seems like a down to earth, nice guy.

Not got to shoot one but have handled a couple at shows. Other than the plastic trigger, I like it. Good sights, thumb safety, front strap checkering, metal mainspring housing, if I remember correctly. Stocks are too thick for my tastes but an easy fix. No guide rod.

Dang, Silvertip! We're gonna miss your lovely bride! Oh, and you, too! Hate you can't make it!

The rules committee has already spoken. It's all in the rule book. I prefer to pull ammo randomly through out the match. Might be first stage. Might be last stage. I was a posse marshal at this year's Winter Range and was tasked with pulling ammo from a list of people, including myself. I handed my bag to Evil Roy to pull my test ammo at his discretion. Somewhere during the match, he asked for my ammo as I went to the loading table. I know my ammo will make power. I could probably back off my loads and be fine. It was good enough to win WR last year. I see no need to change it. As for consistency in testing, again, it's in the rule books on how to accomplish it.

Just one man's opinion but as long as we hold them in conjunction with another match, Wild Bunch will always be a side match and never grow like it should. I would like to see separate state, national and world championships. As at EOT this year, with it held a complete weekend before the cowboy match, there will be a low turnout because it will mean taking off more work for most people. At least at Winter Range, both matches are within the same week.

I think most shooters must have used their worst brass knowing they'd lose it. Jackaroo, I can guarantee that wasn't the case with me! I'm not foolish enough to take anything but the best brass I can to a national or world championship match. To risk losing a match of this level on a 15 cent piece a brass is just asinine! I would bet that the top 25% of finishers felt the same way. Boggus

Its with great sadness I announce the loss of Dave Berryhill. Dave passed quietly at his home last sunday morning at about 7:30 am. He was attended throuout by his wife. The following is the obituary his wife is posting, and has allowed me to post here. "David Wayne Berryhill aged 54 of Prosper, Texas passed away Sunday May 10, 2015 after a courageous battle with cancer. Dave was born May 26, 1960 in West Covina, CA to William and Joan Reina Berryhill. He is survived by his wife Lesa Mitchell Berryhill also of Proser and stepdaughter Carmen Hanney of Austin, TX . Dave is also survived by a sister Becky Steinfeld and brother Arley Berryhill both of Albuquerque, NM, and his two Dachshund daughters Greta and Lily. He was preceded in death by his parents and a sister Debra Berryhill. Dave was a retired officer with the Redondo Beach CA Police Force. Dave was a gunsmith and owner of Berryhill Customs LLC, he was well known for his work with 1911's. Dave's gentle disposition and loving smile will be missed." A lot of us 1911 shooters know who he was.

Grouchy, yes you are! If the Lee die you are using is that cone shaped one I have seen then once you use an M die, you'll throw the Lee ones away! The M die has a fairly long part that guides the neck and keeps it concentric, while a very slight step at the top expands the case just enough to allow the bullet to start squarely and not shave any lead.

The rifle is perfectly legal!! When you try to run it at match speed, it won't take very long for you to want to wrap it around the closest tree! Winchester 94s were designed for longer cartridges and normally do not run pistol cartridges very well.

Miss Allie, what do you mean more recoil? By us talking about a heavier bullet? WBT and I got off track talking about my hunting handguns but for Wild Bunch, I use a 230 grain bullet as I can push it slower and still easily make power factor. What that does, for me, and proven to me by J. Frank Norfleet, is that the gun doesn't jump as much as it does with a 200 or A 185 grain bullet. Less muzzle rise, faster next shot.

And we appreciate that, HJ! With very straightforward rules about modifications, it's also very easy to enforce them!

It's very obvious to timer operators and spotters after you shoot 5 rounds and don't have to reload or slide doesn't lock back. You reload with the slide closed, it's a penalty. You keep shooting without having to rack the slide, it's yet another penalty. No one has ever checked my magazines nor have I checked anyone's. As I said, it's pretty obvious very quickly.

Then they need to up the power factor.

Gene, I can see a dueling tree having to be reset each time so that all targets are one side. However, a hostage doesn't make a difference to me what side it's on.

Allie, darling! I only know of two people to ever clean a WB match and I ain't one of them! A monthly match, it may happen but a major match is doubtful. Silver Tip shot WR clean this year and JT Wild shot EOT clean a couple years ago.

A Barney Fife is a magazine with one round in it.

But guaranteed that sometime, somewhere, you are going to reach for a full mag and end up with one in the gun with only one round in it.

Around 575............

Yeah.... Nothing like the 435 grainers out of my 500 Linebaugh.