Garrison Joe

Compensation to bring a shooter back to "normal" - Sure! Advantage gained by the accommodation - Not on your life. Athletic shoes - unless a severe medical condition - immediate Match DQ But, picture taking time may or may not be what was worn during match time. Pay attention to what was actually worn during the match. Is there a quantitative way to measure how much is enough? No, but a survey of a few other experienced match members should give you a good idea. Good luck, GJ

I'd guess we'll have one or two posses shooting a set of bays on Saturday that the rest of the posses won't shoot till later in the match. And, dang it troopers, thanks for waiting to sign up till the last minute. Now with 5 posses all of a sudden, I've got to round up another 3 of our Boy Scouts each of the three match days for brass picking. I hope you pards can tip 'em some, they always need some new equipment. Good luck, GJ

When the velocity versus powder weight "curve" is flat (if you graph it out on paper or a spreadhseet graphing package), then "interpolating" between the two end points of known weights and velocities gives you a good estimate of an intermediate powder/velocity result. Extrapolating beyond the end points of measured data is much more risky. And, smokeless powder rarely has a linear weight to velocity relationship - it tends to be progressive, and the velocity starts trending upward from being linear as you add more powder. Until you blow up a gun! But, the biggest variation (and fallacy in trying to go from published loading data to what happens in your gun without actual range testing) is that YOUR gun won't hold the same velocities as ANY OTHER test gun. There WILL be some differences, due to chamber dimensions, barrel dimensions, type of brass, lube on your bullet, minor differences in seating depth, and tons of other variables. So, it's usually best to find a pal with a chronograph and test your load in YOUR gun, especially if you plan to be hugging the cliff edge at the low end of the allowed power factor (PF) range. But, if you just ask here, we can tell you from experience that almost everyone shooting a 200 grain bullet from .45 auto with WST in their 5" barrel 1911 will be shooting a load of 4.7 grains of WST, or slightly higher. That will make 165 to 170 PF in most guns. In mine, it is repeatedly 167, 168, or 169 every time I or a big match director chronos my loads. 4.6 grains in my guns typically only makes 155 PF. That is TOO CLOSE to the minimum (150) for me to ever bet the results of a match on being able to stay on the good side of the PF line. So, I shoot a 4.7 grain load. Good luck, GJ

External modifications not listed in the rule books are not acceptable. Is this an external mod? yes Is this listed in the rule book as an acceptable mod? no So the answer has to be? not acceptable You can try filing a modification request with the powers that be, and it might get decided that this can be a modification they will write into the rules or at least give you and acceptable-use modification response. Good luck, GJ

So, the lockup is that after firing a shot with the barrel raised, the action slide lock does not unlock the forearm so that you can rack out the shell, until after you have pushed forward firmly on the forearm? Sounds like the action slide lock is dirty and needs a good cleaning. There's a helical coil spring circling the mag tube under the forearm. Make sure that is intact (they break) and clean. If that is not it, then next place to look is at the action slide lock and spring. It's a part of the trigger group, and the lock sticks up from the top middle of the trigger group assembly. Part 57 on the diagram referenced below http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/winchester-model-12-diagram The trigger group can be a pain to reassemble, so don't take it apart unless you have done a few. Spray some bore cleaner down in there and work parts until it seems to be moving more freely. Recoil is supposed to help push the forearm forward to let that unlock. Real light loads, you may have to assist with a forward push. Good luck, GJ

Hang up HOW? A weak or broken carrier spring is a common culprit, leading to the carrier not rising up with next shell from mag. And that can be worse with the muzzle tipped up. A completely broken carrier spring, and shells can divert right from the mag tube onto the ground. A shell not coming out of mag all the way? Hanging up with shells in the mag, but not if you dry cycle it? Hanging up at what point in the action cycle? Where's the slide and is it in the back stroke (extract and eject) or the forward stroke (feed and chamber)? There's only 90 or so parts in that gun, and the more precise you can be, the better someone not there to look carefully can help. Good luck, GJ

The wonder of the 1911 is just how differently it can be configured, sprung and fed and still work. I would certainly never declare that there was only one way to shoot Wild Bunch level loads with it. But, back to the OP, just about any primer will work. Even, Agggh, a small pistol primer if you have the new shrunken-primer-pocket brass. :D Good luck, GJ

Reloading, how?

Like the simplicity of that. However, the initial load at the loading table would violate that "reload" rule. As would a shooter forgetting to insert a mag at the table. That rule mod would require shooter to draw, discover no mag, slide lock, insert mag and then drop slide and shoot. Maybe there could be that one exception which could be a "safe to insert magazine while slide is down" while at the firing line? (The whole loading situation is just made complicated by not loading initially to condition 1. Ouch, ouch, ouch, don't hit me again, I'm sorry I said that. :o 8) ) Good luck, GJ

What a win-win situation all around! Good luck, GJ

Yep, TSA grunts LOVE them.

Shall I bring the dog?

Maybe I shall quit kicking dogs when posters start providing the whole story in the first post..... Guess that will never happen. ;D

It's the MD's call whether the disability was such that the shooter was "unable to comply" with the standard staging instruction. I trust the topic was discussed with the MD (or his effective delegate, the posse marshal) when someone first questioned the deviation from standard staging procedure. If not, well, RO and spotters all missed the chance to make a P call for improper staging. The line between "difficult" (as described above) and "unable to comply" (the burden of proof from the rule) is probably a pretty broad one. I'll not venture a call on that either way, having not seen the shooter try to execute the standard staging instruction. Good luck, GJ

We use the common, dictionary type definition of MALFUNCTION, since the rule book does not include malfunction in the list of terms in the glossary (Perhaps it should!) That common meaning of MALFUNCTION does not include an operator error while running the gun. So, while correcting an operator error, the rule that allows a slide-down reload is not in effect. While recovering from a malfunction, that rule IS in effect. That's the way my simple mind understands it. Good luck, GJ

Think that is an unwieldy and impossible concept. Not all such potential shooters will tell you before they show up that they might want some sort of accommodation. Would be great if they did, but they may not. Then, how long would it take to get a committee agreement on what the change is that you want to allow? A week, say? OK, let's tell the shooter at a Regional or National or International WB match they have to come back a week later and we'll let them shoot the match after we decide which accommodations they want to have will be allowed? Suuuuure... that will make everyone happy.... Here's the applicable WBAS Handbook statement from page 19: Nothing there requires the WBAS Rules Committee to vet your decision before you put some accommodation in place for a physically limited shooter. Match Director is able to make accommodations that he believes are necessary, on the spot, at the match. YOU want to be a major match director and turn away a qualified but wheelchair bound competitor who instead of shooting from a boardwalk, say, could be allowed to shoot from another location that allows the wheelchair to be operated? If we are not reasonable, we are not doing our best to welcome folks with a physical challenges. It's the MD's match to run fairly and be hospitable and welcoming (without giving away the farm). You will be surprised how being reasonable when running the match will be appreciated by the shooter and his/her friends or family. What is bringing all this on, pards? Good luck, GJ

What is that comment from left field all about? Is this a "have you quit kicking your dog yet" question? Wow, this thread just took a crazy turn South! Every shooter is eligible to get the accommodations that the posse marshal, with match director's consent when necessary, determines necessary to allow the shooter to safely shoot the match. However, I've not run across any shooter yet who needed (or would be willing to accept the offer of) something other than standard long gun staging. You will have to explain why staging a long gun propped up is a necessary accommodation for a particular shooter. Otherwise, shooters all play by the same rules. Good luck, GJ

Yep. AFAIK, you've missed the condition where a shooter has to, say, drop mag and rack slide to clear the gun because of a gun or ammo malfunction. Slide is now forward on empty chamber. Shooter may insert a mag, then rack slide. That load is purely and simply as a result of (following after) a malfunction. Shooter was not at the point where he would have had to do a reload, but to clear the malfunction, he cleared the gun. Loading then, with chamber empty and slide forward, is not a tactical reload. So, as I understand it, it would be allowed when the load is a part of recovery from the malfunction. This is supported by last sentence of rulebook text you cited: That has recently been clarified, as I understand a recent discussion, as being after any GUN or AMMO malfunction. It does not cover shooter mistakes (like dropping a mag before shooting last shot, which then ends up with slide forward on an empty chamber, but because it is OPERATOR error, not a malfunction, that does not allow shooter to just slam in another mag without first locking slide open). Good luck, GJ

Nope, not a hope in Hades that will get past a knowledgeable RO. Flat on table means flat on table, not propped up on anything, not standing on edge balanced, not laying on top of staged ammo, no, no, just No. Good luck, GJ

Here's most of the rules describing legal 1911 carry, staging and reholstering: (Part in bold is what I will refer to.) You would have allowed pistol to leave your hand, with slide forward AND a loaded magazine in the gun. (The rules don't distinguish not having charged the pistol as an exception that lets you remove your hand from the pistol). Therefore, staging the "uncharged," slide-forward, loaded-mag-inserted pistol on a table once you had started the stage would be grounds for a SDQ. Think you were advised correctly. Pulling the pistol, and shoving it back in the holster immediately, would also be grounds for an SDQ, for violating the last bullet item in the list. The only easy, non-penalty, way out of the jam, had you drawn pistol at wrong time, would have been to drop mag, lock slide back, lay pistol on table, shoot SG, pick up pistol and load or move as needed. Even then, there would be the unanswered question of whether you would be allowed to draw, empty and lock slide, then properly stage an empty pistol, which I can't find that the rules address, so I would have a "no call" for that maneuver. (Especially so because the first paragraph cited would allow you to fix a "charged at wrong time" problem. Might as well allow the shooter to fix the "drawn at wrong time but not charged" problem the same way!) Good luck, GJ

Experimenting? Psshaw, we already know they work. Any 1911 tuned to where it won't set off even CCI primers is probably not tuned well. I shoot Winchester or Federal (any of the 4 variations), and yes even CCI primers in my 1911s because the mainspring is not super light. Use of magnum primers can be expected to increase velocity (and pressure) slightly in most loads, so a chrono check and examination for excess pressure signs after a change to magnum primers is always wise. Right now, the Federal Large, Magnum, Match (155M) primer seems to be easier to get in these parts than any of the other LP Federals. And those work fine too. This is Wild Bunch - no fancy guns that won't fire off primers or that you have to work over if the load changes pressure or recoil slightly. One of the nice things about WB - no race guns! Good luck, GJ

Nope, that would NOT be where I would try to save a few dollars! Schofield sizer will leave brass sized to .480" on the outside rather than .473. Won't taper crimp. Probably won't be short enough in some of the dies. Good .45 auto dies will last forever and you will be much more likely to get the 1911 to cycle flawlessly with properly sized ammo. Folks have enough problems understanding how to load .45 auto with the correct dies. Never in a million years would I even try Schofield dies. Good luck, GJ

Is there a question in there some place, or do you just want us to tell you to find another local gun shop who will stock (or try to) the items you need? Unique will be greatin .44 mag, and WST in .45 auto. Good luck, GJ

The Jersey Kid? Howdy and welcome to Wild Bunch! "Getting lead bullets to feed" in the 1911 usually takes close attention to at least three things, most important first: 1) ammo that fits in the chamber "drop in" and is the correct length. Mention what bullet you are going to be using and we can give you feedback on what Over All Length (OAL) works for that particular slug. 2) high quality magazines that are known to feed such lead bullet ammo as you want to shoot. It's generally recognized that Tripp, Chip McCormick and Colt factory mags are right at the top of "always works in almost any gun for almost any load" 3) then, getting the gun running smooth, feeding 100% from the high quality mag, extracting and ejecting, and just generally "playing nicely." A polished and tuned feed ramp and chamber ramp area is part of the equation, but not as important as many folks think if 1 and 2 are done right. Another great 1911 gunsmith - and a moderator here! Goatneck Clem does fine work on 1911s. http://www.goatneckclemgunsmithing.com/ A fellow who does a very nice job on such things (he did a wonderful job on my dovetailed front sight, from scratch): Steve Morrison at Mars Guns in Salt Lake City: http://marsguns.com/Home.htm Good luck, GJ

No, I wouldn't raise a challenge like that (something that seems to have no solution) without warning you that I had already worked for X number of hours trying to find a solution. But, I did puzzle with it for about a minute before asking, not wanting to appear denser than I normally do. I would say that your solution on this one meets the ingenuity test, but probably not the simplicity test. And it's certainly not the brain-teaser job that I would like to have to solve as a match director when I've got 12 stages to design in the next hour or two. It seems to me that 7 round mags will require a small cheat sheet FOR ME to be able to design stages quickly enough to keep me from pulling out the rest of my gray hair. And, the post that JFN cited that he wrote 20 months ago does include several interesting sweeps. If we are going to go seven rounds, then let's allow moving at least with slide down and finger off trigger, too, or the IPSC and other practical disciplines are going to be all over that restriction as their next complaint. Good luck, GJ