Branchwater Jack - 88854

Places that sell motorcycle clothing and accessories also have these sleeves that do over the pin in place of the back and they have a lock screw to keep them in place. I do agree with your thoughts, though.

Special thanks to Sassy and Woody for teaching the class at Wartrace today. We really appreciate all their efforts.

Another issue to be aware of...the ogive angle in most of the 200gn RNFP is less than a 230gn round nose and may cause slide issues. Under recoil, the bullets in the magazine may scoot forward a tad and the nose of a bullet in the magazine may come in contact with the slide catch, engaging it with the nose of the bullet. My wife's new pistol had this issue out of the box. A few passes and some polishing to adjust the angle on the grip side of the slide stop to ensure that the bullet would not catch on it cleared it up. Was at a match a couple weeks ago where someone shooting a new gun with 200gn RNFP also had the same issue. So if you have the slide locking back after 3 or 4 shots and no other signs or issues, that is something else to check.

A small, colorful carabiner comes in handy, too. Then, you just clip it to your belt.

Needing some advice.. My lovely wife is just about ready to start shooting some matches and is pretty excited. The only thing she is still unsure on is leather. Any ladies out there with some advice for her?

Slings are now allowed on long guns in SASS CAS. No such allowance has been made in SASS WBAS in the latest rule book that I could see.

Well....since the WB forum doesn't migrate on and archive much, I just thought I would update this thread just in case someone reads this post... As of April 2015...A shooter now earns a 10 second, minor safety penalty for a spent case left in long gun as long as it is not in the chamber. There is, however, no penalty for leaving a spent case in a pistol. Again, spent case in a pistol is a no call. If a shooter leaves a spent case in the chamber of a closed long gun, or leaves a live round in the magazine or carrier of a long gun, they earn two, 10 second, minor safety penalties.

FYSA, For those with the SASS app, when you read the WB Handbook, you are reading the April 2012 version. But then again, nothing to worry about there bacause nothing has changed since then, right? :o JFN, Yes, i do look big picture. It is one of the things I am paid to do when not playing cowboy or doughboy. Let us skip past the fact that there are customers out there who would like additioanl features added to ACES, but are unable because development of it is no longer an ongoing concern. The software is in a mainthenance phase, at best, and at any moment, without warning, could hit end of life. These Mobile devices have a lot more risk to them than your 25 year old mac People drop them They get wet They get dusty Ports break Solder comes loose (problem with some Kindle devices) Batteries hit End of Life and may or not be available to replace, or are just as expensive as new hardware to replace ACES is a good tool If your club can afford it, go for it, I am not saying that you shouldn't I have been to a club that owns no hardware but runs ACES at their matches. Three or four pards all bring their own devices to each match and they make it work It can be done But some clubs are unable to spend money like Congress, especially when there is uncertainty of future viability. Would you spend $2500+ on targets you might not be able to use in two years? All I'm sayin Y'all have fun shooting somewhere this weekend. Matter of fact, I just finished settin up our three matches the Mrs and I are shooting in my ACES on this here phone. :)

Ya. Don't get me wrong, guys. Personally, I have enjoyed using it Use it on my phone and my wife's phone to keep up with our scores As a support model for a club, if you can get the hardware donated or borrow it for match day, I think it is a great setup. If your club usually only runs one or two posses at a match, the cost may be ok, too Especially for monthlies But, from a financial sense, it is hard for some clubs to justify the expense of 12-15 scoring devices and the rest of the hardware that goes with it if the long-term commitment isuncertain. Especially big matches trying to keepcosts down I have a closet full of hardware and software that was awesome when I first got it, but are unusable because of OS and or hardware changes within just a couple years.

Last word went out that we got that it, like the SASS app, ACES is available for download and use. But neither have been touched or updated in a couple of years and there was no plans from the developer, NiftyBytes/Pitt Viper, to continue to develop any new features for it since there was no financial incentive WolfWind Walker was even shopping around trying to find someone with the skills to pick it up and run with it and do more with it. You take a look at the version of the rulebook or club listing in the SASS app lately?

It was a great program. Just wish it was still supported by the developer. From business side, I cannot knowingly request the club outlay that much money for hardware to run a program on that may not work the next time the hardware manufacturer sends out an update. Rather spend the money on new steel.

I can see the confusion in the way that it is written, by an spent case in a 1911 is a no call as well. The 1911 is going to be cleared on the line. If there is a live round in the magazine or loose in the slide when it was discarded, MSV, but can be corrected before firing the next gun to avoid the penalty. If it is the last gun fired, the shooter has all the time necessary to clear it, drop magazine, drop slide, and pull the trigger to drop the hammer off the clock. One of the big differences between cowboy and WB.

Leaving live rounds in magazine or carrier of the long gun in which it was loaded = MSV Spent case = No Call

Yes, thank you all It gets back to 90% of your calls are usually from 10% of the rulebook But when one is from the other 10%, we need to get it right. Happy Jack, just to clarify, you said, "If you DO decide to fire them try NOT to hit a correct type target." But the rule states "Any targets hit using that ammo will be scored as MISSES." Emphasis on "Any target" Is target type a deciding factor when assessing misses in this case, or is it, by literal onterpretation of the rule, any target hit.

JFN, I hear what you are saying, but I tend to want to agree with GJ here. The combination of the overload rule and the illegal ammo rule into one rule created a weird situation where we are ignoring another part of the rules. The rule quoted states that "Any targets hit using that ammo will be scored as MISSES." The targets have already been engaged by one of the previous bullets shot before we hit the overload mark. All the targets have already been scored as hits or misses. If it is true that overloaded bullets that hit a target are scored as misses in addition to what has already been scored, then it must also be true that those overloaded rounds shot into the berm must be scored as misses because a five second penalty must be assessed for "Each missed target. (Shooters handbook, page 19)". Those extra bullets sent down range did not hit a target. Furthermore, it makes no sense to penalize two shooters differently for the same action (shooting off overloaded bullets) solely based on the location of impact of the bullet - all things else being equal. A round that hits the berm when all the targets have been engaged meets the definition of a bullet that missed a target the same way that an illegally acquired bullet that hits a target that has already been engaged meets the definition of hitting a target. In other words.... If an already engaged and out of play target is hittable with overloaded bullets, why it not also missable?