Garrison Joe

Reloading, how?

Like the simplicity of that. However, the initial load at the loading table would violate that "reload" rule. As would a shooter forgetting to insert a mag at the table. That rule mod would require shooter to draw, discover no mag, slide lock, insert mag and then drop slide and shoot. Maybe there could be that one exception which could be a "safe to insert magazine while slide is down" while at the firing line? (The whole loading situation is just made complicated by not loading initially to condition 1. Ouch, ouch, ouch, don't hit me again, I'm sorry I said that. :o 8) ) Good luck, GJ

What a win-win situation all around! Good luck, GJ

Yep, TSA grunts LOVE them.

Shall I bring the dog?

Maybe I shall quit kicking dogs when posters start providing the whole story in the first post..... Guess that will never happen. ;D

It's the MD's call whether the disability was such that the shooter was "unable to comply" with the standard staging instruction. I trust the topic was discussed with the MD (or his effective delegate, the posse marshal) when someone first questioned the deviation from standard staging procedure. If not, well, RO and spotters all missed the chance to make a P call for improper staging. The line between "difficult" (as described above) and "unable to comply" (the burden of proof from the rule) is probably a pretty broad one. I'll not venture a call on that either way, having not seen the shooter try to execute the standard staging instruction. Good luck, GJ

We use the common, dictionary type definition of MALFUNCTION, since the rule book does not include malfunction in the list of terms in the glossary (Perhaps it should!) That common meaning of MALFUNCTION does not include an operator error while running the gun. So, while correcting an operator error, the rule that allows a slide-down reload is not in effect. While recovering from a malfunction, that rule IS in effect. That's the way my simple mind understands it. Good luck, GJ

Think that is an unwieldy and impossible concept. Not all such potential shooters will tell you before they show up that they might want some sort of accommodation. Would be great if they did, but they may not. Then, how long would it take to get a committee agreement on what the change is that you want to allow? A week, say? OK, let's tell the shooter at a Regional or National or International WB match they have to come back a week later and we'll let them shoot the match after we decide which accommodations they want to have will be allowed? Suuuuure... that will make everyone happy.... Here's the applicable WBAS Handbook statement from page 19: Nothing there requires the WBAS Rules Committee to vet your decision before you put some accommodation in place for a physically limited shooter. Match Director is able to make accommodations that he believes are necessary, on the spot, at the match. YOU want to be a major match director and turn away a qualified but wheelchair bound competitor who instead of shooting from a boardwalk, say, could be allowed to shoot from another location that allows the wheelchair to be operated? If we are not reasonable, we are not doing our best to welcome folks with a physical challenges. It's the MD's match to run fairly and be hospitable and welcoming (without giving away the farm). You will be surprised how being reasonable when running the match will be appreciated by the shooter and his/her friends or family. What is bringing all this on, pards? Good luck, GJ

What is that comment from left field all about? Is this a "have you quit kicking your dog yet" question? Wow, this thread just took a crazy turn South! Every shooter is eligible to get the accommodations that the posse marshal, with match director's consent when necessary, determines necessary to allow the shooter to safely shoot the match. However, I've not run across any shooter yet who needed (or would be willing to accept the offer of) something other than standard long gun staging. You will have to explain why staging a long gun propped up is a necessary accommodation for a particular shooter. Otherwise, shooters all play by the same rules. Good luck, GJ

Yep. AFAIK, you've missed the condition where a shooter has to, say, drop mag and rack slide to clear the gun because of a gun or ammo malfunction. Slide is now forward on empty chamber. Shooter may insert a mag, then rack slide. That load is purely and simply as a result of (following after) a malfunction. Shooter was not at the point where he would have had to do a reload, but to clear the malfunction, he cleared the gun. Loading then, with chamber empty and slide forward, is not a tactical reload. So, as I understand it, it would be allowed when the load is a part of recovery from the malfunction. This is supported by last sentence of rulebook text you cited: That has recently been clarified, as I understand a recent discussion, as being after any GUN or AMMO malfunction. It does not cover shooter mistakes (like dropping a mag before shooting last shot, which then ends up with slide forward on an empty chamber, but because it is OPERATOR error, not a malfunction, that does not allow shooter to just slam in another mag without first locking slide open). Good luck, GJ

Nope, not a hope in Hades that will get past a knowledgeable RO. Flat on table means flat on table, not propped up on anything, not standing on edge balanced, not laying on top of staged ammo, no, no, just No. Good luck, GJ

Here's most of the rules describing legal 1911 carry, staging and reholstering: (Part in bold is what I will refer to.) You would have allowed pistol to leave your hand, with slide forward AND a loaded magazine in the gun. (The rules don't distinguish not having charged the pistol as an exception that lets you remove your hand from the pistol). Therefore, staging the "uncharged," slide-forward, loaded-mag-inserted pistol on a table once you had started the stage would be grounds for a SDQ. Think you were advised correctly. Pulling the pistol, and shoving it back in the holster immediately, would also be grounds for an SDQ, for violating the last bullet item in the list. The only easy, non-penalty, way out of the jam, had you drawn pistol at wrong time, would have been to drop mag, lock slide back, lay pistol on table, shoot SG, pick up pistol and load or move as needed. Even then, there would be the unanswered question of whether you would be allowed to draw, empty and lock slide, then properly stage an empty pistol, which I can't find that the rules address, so I would have a "no call" for that maneuver. (Especially so because the first paragraph cited would allow you to fix a "charged at wrong time" problem. Might as well allow the shooter to fix the "drawn at wrong time but not charged" problem the same way!) Good luck, GJ

Experimenting? Psshaw, we already know they work. Any 1911 tuned to where it won't set off even CCI primers is probably not tuned well. I shoot Winchester or Federal (any of the 4 variations), and yes even CCI primers in my 1911s because the mainspring is not super light. Use of magnum primers can be expected to increase velocity (and pressure) slightly in most loads, so a chrono check and examination for excess pressure signs after a change to magnum primers is always wise. Right now, the Federal Large, Magnum, Match (155M) primer seems to be easier to get in these parts than any of the other LP Federals. And those work fine too. This is Wild Bunch - no fancy guns that won't fire off primers or that you have to work over if the load changes pressure or recoil slightly. One of the nice things about WB - no race guns! Good luck, GJ

Nope, that would NOT be where I would try to save a few dollars! Schofield sizer will leave brass sized to .480" on the outside rather than .473. Won't taper crimp. Probably won't be short enough in some of the dies. Good .45 auto dies will last forever and you will be much more likely to get the 1911 to cycle flawlessly with properly sized ammo. Folks have enough problems understanding how to load .45 auto with the correct dies. Never in a million years would I even try Schofield dies. Good luck, GJ

Is there a question in there some place, or do you just want us to tell you to find another local gun shop who will stock (or try to) the items you need? Unique will be greatin .44 mag, and WST in .45 auto. Good luck, GJ

The Jersey Kid? Howdy and welcome to Wild Bunch! "Getting lead bullets to feed" in the 1911 usually takes close attention to at least three things, most important first: 1) ammo that fits in the chamber "drop in" and is the correct length. Mention what bullet you are going to be using and we can give you feedback on what Over All Length (OAL) works for that particular slug. 2) high quality magazines that are known to feed such lead bullet ammo as you want to shoot. It's generally recognized that Tripp, Chip McCormick and Colt factory mags are right at the top of "always works in almost any gun for almost any load" 3) then, getting the gun running smooth, feeding 100% from the high quality mag, extracting and ejecting, and just generally "playing nicely." A polished and tuned feed ramp and chamber ramp area is part of the equation, but not as important as many folks think if 1 and 2 are done right. Another great 1911 gunsmith - and a moderator here! Goatneck Clem does fine work on 1911s. http://www.goatneckclemgunsmithing.com/ A fellow who does a very nice job on such things (he did a wonderful job on my dovetailed front sight, from scratch): Steve Morrison at Mars Guns in Salt Lake City: http://marsguns.com/Home.htm Good luck, GJ

No, I wouldn't raise a challenge like that (something that seems to have no solution) without warning you that I had already worked for X number of hours trying to find a solution. But, I did puzzle with it for about a minute before asking, not wanting to appear denser than I normally do. I would say that your solution on this one meets the ingenuity test, but probably not the simplicity test. And it's certainly not the brain-teaser job that I would like to have to solve as a match director when I've got 12 stages to design in the next hour or two. It seems to me that 7 round mags will require a small cheat sheet FOR ME to be able to design stages quickly enough to keep me from pulling out the rest of my gray hair. And, the post that JFN cited that he wrote 20 months ago does include several interesting sweeps. If we are going to go seven rounds, then let's allow moving at least with slide down and finger off trigger, too, or the IPSC and other practical disciplines are going to be all over that restriction as their next complaint. Good luck, GJ

OK, that's a nice one for a progressive sweep! And a variation on it with 5 targets, you could do a 2-3-4-3-2 tap sweep. Next challenge - Something like a Nevada sweep (no double taps), to use 14 shots, and you don't want the simplest way of using four targets (or the dumb way with just 2 targets alternated). GJ

4 targets - 1 on #1 2 on #2 4 on #3 7 on #4 Rather icky, no? Even worse, 1,2,3,8. That's not even a polka... (Maybe that is why there is no 6/7 time signature in music?) Come on, you all can get closer to a "Larry Welk" than that! Name us a few that IPCS does to get us rolling.... GJ

My post was not a complaint. It was a challenge. List 'em if you got em. I'll start you off - Let's see what you would do for a progressive sweep or something similar, where round count is different on each target and yet still a very simple series.... :D GJ

Gentlemen - As you start thinking about 7 round mags, I suggest you try to compile typical target counts and the sweeps that you could use to "come out even" on them. It seems to be a little tougher to layout with 7-round mag loadouts coming out "cleanly", except with a 3 or 4 target layout. Try single tap sweeps, double tap sweeps, progressive sweeps, Nevada sweeps and whatever else you think is pretty common. The 7 rounds don't seem to come out very even on lots of layouts we normally use in WB now. Stage writers may not think 7-round mag loadouts are as easy. Some stages, you might want to consider that a mag would be able to be loaded less than 7 to come out even. That might even be the first mag in the pistol, to avoid having to remember a specific mag on the body that has, say, 4 rounds in it to make a sweep have the right round count to end on an empty mag. Good luck, GJ

I've used the starting load in Hodgdon's on-line data for 230 grain in 45 auto with Titegroup and been happy with it. Makes PF in any of my 1911s. It came in at what the data shows, about 170 PF. http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/

I don't know any range that really loves to have aluminum cases littering their facility. And, sure, there is a little scrap value on those cases, so someone probably would want to take them. But, our local ranges would want them picked up - we'd just shag and bag while the match was going on. Good luck, GJ

Great suggestion. I would guess that since the rules don't prohibit it, it would be acceptable as an accommodation to weaker-muscled shooters. You certainly would not be doing it to shave a few milliseconds off your time. :D Good luck, GJ