DUSTY BODDAMS

Or just buying a model 12

There's one really good practical reason. Magazine capacity! They don't hold enough shells.

Ka, actually your model 12 is doing what it's supposed to. In firing you will only have to retract the pump normally. Loading table check clear hold trigger down and push slide fully forward. This will drop the hammer and have it ready to go with out having to put that forward pressure on the slide when ready to use. Dusty

Actually hoodoo brown is still actively reloading ammo. Give him a call on his cell phone. I've shot/ shoot a lot of his ammo lately and I can say it's excellent quality. Dusty Boddams

Jacaroo, I haven't used trail boss personally but I would think 11 grains would be prudent and safe as a suggestion. Again talk with someone that has done it because I have not that's purely a guess. Stripper or as your wife says ;D strippea clips if you have a 98 Mauser will be 2 bump like the Swedish Mauser uses along with 03's. I have 2 98 7mm and that's what both take. If you have a 93 or 91 that would I think be the ones with no bump. Best place to buy is eBay. Fast,cheap and if you buy a box of 40,a lifetime supply! Dusty

Jackaroo, what do you have in powders? 4759 @ 16-18 grains. 2400 @ 16 grains. There are loads for 4895. I think grouchy spike is using trail boss with success.

No sir,I'm not a gunsmith.

I've been using them now for a few years. No problems . Dusty Boddams

GS, sounds like you are up and running with the Swiss. The mosins with just a few tweaks can be scary accurate. Probably one of the most underrated surplus guns out there. I would have to look at my notes but I think my best load was 4759 with 18 gr. I think a 190 GC from norm sized at .313 this put me in the 1 1/2" at 100 yards. Really with good bores I haven't had any mil spec bolt guns that didn't shoot really well. Speaking of BAMM get ready for an exciting multi stage match at the Texas state WB competition. Bring at least 40 rounds and we will try to put most to use! Dusty Boddams

J frank, glad to hear. Watch how those fellers in GAF run a krag and you will be impressed. Cowtown scout runs one like that picking up 5 off the belt and just drops them in the magazine.

My rifles all measure between 12 3/4 and 13 except for a Chinese sks and I don't think it would break 11. We don't have youth BAMM or WB and I don't expect a rush of 4' tall BAMM competitors so I think it's a mute point. Anyway if they are that short they would probably need to cut some off the front so they won't fall over! ;D J Frank , I assumed they cut off a fair amount so that's why to add wood. If they just basically took the plate just fit another.

With HJ 100 percent. The rifle would be illegal because of the external modification. Of course the sight would be illegal because of the color. A good stock man could restore that krag by adding back some wood and a correct steel buttplate. You could tell it by close examination but would make it correct enough for any level of match. As scarce as correct krag carbines are it would be worth the effort. Dusty

Garand, of course there are lots of variables but if you're getting good accuracy at 100 and falling apart at 200 plus it has to be the bullet destabilizing. Could be too lite of bullet, could be running to slow, GC bullets are great . You might not have a bunch of powders but the ones you have are good. Have you tried the 4895 at 70 percent of the starting load with lead gas check bullet in its proper weight? Another thought barrel condition on the 6.5 ? Might lead quickly if it's dark or rough. Unique and red dot might be a little position sensitive but I wouldn't think enough to make the wheels fall off. Hope this helps keep us posted. Dusty Boddams

Garand, really I'm serious out of 20 rifles all of them shot lead without any work or load development truly the easiest guns I've worked with. Maybe there is something that you've overlooked in your load development. It shouldn't be that difficult. Tell me what rifle are you loading for? Also what bullets are you using now and what powder?

GJ, how true! Now if folks can just have enough common sense to realize that production of ww2 rifles continued past 1945 we have got it made!

:) garand,hey take it easy.i was joking and the joke was your name is a ww2 battle rifle and you want to date the guns pre 1916. Cost of equipment is always asked about the old guns along with availability.As far as accurate lead loads in BAMM rifles I've never had anything easier to make shoot well with lead bullets. As far as krag vs. 03 Springfield's if a competitor goes out and buys a krag with the known reload requirments then he put himself at the disadvantage no one did it to him.

WBT, my point exactly! We are not a reenactment group. We are a group of competitors shooting old guns. I want this game to grow and growth is keyed to how many folks can play the game . to play the game we need rifles and those need to be priced where everybody that has a desire can afford one so looking at the surplus market we still have a lot of great mausers and mosins to be had cheap and if a mans feeling flush there are those 2500.00 collector grade 03's. The one thing that they all have in common is equal footing in BAMM. You are correct that it is the man behind the trigger that wins the game. It's a great movie that this game is loosely based on but it's just entertainment it never claimed to be historically correct and neither should we. we should try for movie correct ,as a good friend of mine says .The point of BAMM is not the gun but the course that's run.

I really think BAMM should stay as simple as possible at this stage. Several of the ranges around here won't let jacketed be shot. I'm curious though when you look at BAMM and its reloads on the clock are you thinking krag or? As far as 70 year old versus 100 year old ,mausers carried the exact sights thru that whole time period. 03's with barrel sights and mark ones,mosins are basically the same barrel sight thru there whole production. 03a3,mark 4 and Jungle Carbine went the peep rear sight for ww2. I'm sorry I just understand what that far difference is that you speak of. :) now you know if you want to go this pre 1916 route we gotta change your name......it just ain't gonna fit! Dusty

Firearms availability is the simple answer. we want more competitors not less. If your personal standards dictate a pre 1916 mindset then by all means do that. Get a early mil spec gun and enjoy. Shoot the BAMM competitions in the style era you want. If you are going that early you could go full period correct with the eagle snaps on your clip belt and all. Now that would be neat! Dusty

Sure I realize the bent bolt handles and you do know that some 24-47 were refurbed with bent bolt handles? Model 25 are not built on the exact same machinery. They are often confused but are not the same without going into details here but there are several major differences. A model 12 was never built with a solid frame. But using this example about model 12 then are you saying y12's are not legal because they were introduced in the 70 's and had investment cast receivers along with a few internal and external modifications? Also what about a scrubbed m48 with no markings from the factory,no crest either . Some with milled parts some with sheet metal? Does that shooter get turned away because nobody knows what it is and therefor could be illegal? as far as the yugo we can split hairs to the point of a 24/47 should not be allowed because it is plain that it was post ww2 just by its stamping as far as date of remanufacture and has many new parts mixed,force matched so it is really just a post war production gun same as the 48 and by that way of thinking all the arsenal rebuilt mosins some of which were rebuilt into the seventies would be illegal. Which come to think of it all 98's that were given to other countries that they ran thru the full rebuild program into the sixties........well you get idea. My point is the 48 is legal because it is either a continuation or it is a reproduction. BAMM is not a historical reenactment. It is a shooting sport. I would like to keep it that way. One more thing you mentioned anything designed before 1946 is good for BAMM , when do you think the m48 was designed? The correct answer is before 1924.

Gosh gj,if I have offended you that was not my intention. I'm sorry ! I didn't realize we were having an argument. I thought we were having a conversation with different points of view.

Not clogging up anything joe. So if that doesn't fall under at the very least a" faithful reproduction" then what does? Do you really want to take BAMM into the rule nazi category and make sure that every rifle is pre end of ww2? Are we a 100 percent historical accuracy group or are we shooters? Where do you want to draw the line ? A German mauser competitor shows up with argentine accouterments you don't let him shoot cause he is not 100 percent. A shooter shows up with a 1951 dated garand belt with his 1903 Springfield? I'm not requiring you to have intimate knowledge of anything that is my point.how far do you want to split hairs? Also if you don't have that knowledge then how are you going to properly inspect each and everyone of these rifles that you want to keep out?

How could it not be a faithful reproduction? Made on the very equipment that the 24/47 were refurbed on? I'm sorry but I don't get your reasoning for making it illegal. The differences are minut to say the least. Are you REALLY going to tell someone with a m48 in 8mm that they can't shoot with you when there 48 looks just like your 24/47, REALLY!?

Gj, what's got to be remembered is the mod 48 was built new at the exact same time the 24/47 were going thru refurbishment on the same equipment the exact same rifle as the 24/47 actually there are washed model 48's that have a lot of the same exact pre ww2 parts on them due to parts clean up running around that could not be told as different from the 24/47. To put it another way k31 would have to be dated to ww2 as well as several other rifles,"national ordance " anyone. The 48 is 100 percent ww2 correct.