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Well, it is called Wild Bunch ACTION SHOOTING! If I want entertainment, I’ll turn on the movie and watch it. For me the fun is in the challenge. Figuring out how I can shoot a stage to the best of my abilities. What can I do to better myself. I’ve said for years that WBAS isn’t for everyone. Neither is benchrest shooting, NASCAR racing or brain surgery.

You’ve got some good advice here and some poor advice. I’m going to against the grain with a couple things, though. You’ll hear people say “front sight”! Forget it! Your mind should know now how to line up the sights on target. MUCH more important is proper trigger manipulation. You can spend all day lining up the sights perfectly but when you jerk the trigger all that is moot. Dry fire practice and slow fire target practice will help. But everyone flinches to some degree at some point. Controlling it is the key. That’s the only place dummy rounds are handy loaded in the mag. It will show you your flinch. Also, forget “muscle memory”. It’s a fallacy. Your brain tells every muscle what to do, when to do it and how much to do it. Don’t pay attention to where the empty mag falls. Too many people waste too much time making sure they land on the table or carpet. All you want is it out of the gun. As for malfunctions, properly tuned guns with quality ammo and proper mags mitigate malfunctions to practically nil. Also, no need to go to the line with a “Barney” mag. That will be the mag you grab when you need a full mag.

I guess I will stir the pot a bit with some history. I don't know how many times over the years I was reminded that "SASS and CAS is in the Entertainment Business NOT in the Shooting business". People who do well are happy and that makes for good business. That has always been the driving force and it still is today. A number of years age I was approached by The General, The Judge, and Coyote and they wanted to add another thing to SASS since it was not highly thought of in the shooting world. They tasked me with making Wild Bunch Action Shooting, which was to be a Real Shooting Sport, as well as enjoyable within the general SASS guidelines. So I created WBAS as a Shooting Sport. I had a lot of great help over the years making it go. The early years most of the EOT stages were written by Pecos Clyde (a great guy who introduced the Model 12 SG to WBAS) Then the stage writing was taken over by Texas Jack Morales (one of my heroes). It was 7? of 8? years before we had the first shooter shoot EOT clean!!! NOBODY complained to us. Those shooting WBAS enjoyed the more challenging sport. We had retired operators who were glad to help new shooters learn how to "run a 1911". I produced the training video on WBAS for Holy Terror. We tried really hard to make it a shooting sport. WBAS was NEVER intended to be like CAS with a 1911. Sadly, IMHO the sport has begun drifting away from the founding principles in recent years. Just a bit of history for those who are interested. Humbly Presented, Happy Jack SASS 20451 Life Patron Regulator CAS was a lot different when WBAS was started. Aerial SG targets, Reloads on the clock for pistols and rifles, and various more difficult target engagements were common even at the biggest matches (regionals, EOT) so for most CAS shooters moving to WBAS was a lot easier than today.

Ahh, Wednesday morning and this horse is still kind of twitching. I was really hoping someone with actual authority would have chimed in and answered this. But oh well, It's like waiting for the VA to make a decision, very slow and hope you get the desired outcome. I will also say I do not intend to start using a SxS in WB. But I did actually shot a stage at a North Carolina match recently and did use my SxS. It was the perfect scenario. Only two shotgun targets, sitting right next to each other. SxS kinda stoked will sure beat a pump every time, at least for me in this situation. Everyone called me a gamer, "NOT ME", I said. Ok final comment from me on this post, to try and lighten it up a bit. Maybe my attempt at humor will wake that horse up, and he can run far away from this post. Many years ago when I was working at our HQ, we had one of our instructors who taught the mini gun and 20mm armament system on the Cobra helicopter. He really was not a good instructor. He would basically read verbatim from the lesson plan to the students. If anyone had a question this instructor would re-read the same exact verbiage, except he would read it really slow. Then he would ask, "got it?" Repeat this action if questioned again. Then move onto the next lesson plan. This guy was the perfect example of an individual who experiences the phenomenon called "Illusory Truth Effect". So I will continue to give a no call on this situation, if it ever come's up. Benefit of doubt to the shooter. Hey about a new Mantra: If you see a SxS cycled-it's cycled If you think a SxS is cycled-it's cycled If you think the SxS is open-it's cycled If shooter throws it on table, not opened-It's not cycled Y'all try and have a nice hump day

I am officially retired from Wild Buch management BUT I can tell you for the first 10 years of real Wild Bunch this question of "Shooters Choice " never was even thought about or considered. If you had a failure to fire the 1911 for any reason, you just cleared the gun, put in another magazine and continued where you were. Everyone shooting would do as Eyesa asked. Fix the gun and proceed to avoid penalties and hopefully misses. Aparently those days are past. Very sad in my opinion.

Dang, sounds like a great match. I almost wish I had shot it. Oh well.

Like Boggus, I have used springs from many suppliers, but recently have gone with a lot of Springco. We are lucky to have Boggus to take care of a lot of problems with Wild Bunch guns. With the loss of Bodie and Goatneck in recent years he is one of the few who specializes in Wild Bunch guns. He is VERY good with them.

I did not find pistol and shotgun targets at 3-5yds fun, and I don't feel the drive down from Tucson was worth it for a match like that. I still like to shoot some local matches to support the folks around here that put them on, but this mindset of bringing all the targets in that close has got to go. It's not safe, and it's not fun. No shade to Zona -- he puts on quality, well thought-out matches, but let's put the targets out further.

I am watching the evolution of Wild Bunch with a great deal of interest, as I enjoy it as much (and maybe more than...!) Cowboy Action Shooting. Evolution does not reward that which is best; it rewards that which is best suited to survive, given a certain set of conditions at the time. I was intrigued by the match; the abrupt changes made to WB were undertaken to increase the interest in the game, and, given the modestly robust turnout, with a host of new attendees, may have worked. But I feel like the match itself ran contrary to that ethos. I shot it, and did reasonably well. But, this is the entertainment business, and, listening to shooters who attended, I heard a few things which stuck with me. 1.) "I was never having any fun. I was working the whole time." 2.) "It was humbling; perhaps even humiliating, to have one shooter clean the match." 3.) "When the Super Bowl comes around, they don't move the goalposts back another 20 yards." I'm not sure what the game plan is, but I didn't think it was a great match. I respect all the work that went into it, and the workers who made it so. Also, I will shoot whatever you put in front of me. But the Fast Guys (and Gals!) will still win, and match organizers might do well to consider the experience they are offering for the 80% who want to shoot safely and just have a good time. Cheers, FJT

Don't look for your mags. You don't need to pull them in a specific order. Just drop your hand and grab what you touch. Keep the pistol up when you change mags, don't lower, insert, raise, takes too much time and you have to regain the target. You don't need to hammer the bottom of the mag into the pistol, just put it in right the first time. Whirlwind Wendy taught me all this.

More time is wasted on mag changes than anything else in WBAS. Don't take the gun too far down from the line of sight and practise with your eyes CLOSED. You have to feel the change to get it right. Watch shooters, most have the gun in a lowered position and canted when changing magazines. Both are time wasters. Many change the position from mag change to mag change, they don't know where they have the gun and have to look for it. GOOD LUCK.

The case is being slammed into the slide wall during ejection, probably around the ejection port opening. This is very common when the geometry (shape) of the extractor (which you just changed) is not yet fitted to your gun. The dent comes from impact, while the sideways scratches are caused by the high-speed "twist" imparted during ejection as the case is pulled on the right side by the extractor hook and hit in the left lower rear by the ejector. Look for where there is a shiny spot of "brass rub" on the slide. Often it's on the lower side of the ejection port. But some times in other locations. There is more work to do when fitting a new extractor than just setting the tension. One of the best but short descriptions that I have found is here, written by Bill Wilson: https://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm Look at the very last diagram very closely. If you understand all of the angles and beveling he shows, you may not have to do more study. OK, so you probably do not understand why he is so particular about EVERY facet (machined cut) shown on that extractor tip. So, read this one next, and SEVERAL times, as it is pure gold! https://www.1911forum.com/threads/steve-in-allentown-extractor-fitting.829865/ And the extractor section of John Marshall's instructions: https://sightm1911.com/lib/tech/reliability_secrets.htm He makes this statement that speaks volumes about just "slapping in " any company's new extractor: "Most factory extractors and many aftermarket extractors need attention to achieve the optimum in reliability." OK, the lazy way to solve cases hitting the slide, is to cut away the slide where the shiny brass impact spot shows up. The "lowered ejection port" found on lots of 1911s from the factory is this kind of fix, whether a gun really needs it or not. Opening the ejection port like that lets a factory get "no contact" ejection without having to do special fitting. John Browning did not think that it was necessary - his slide designs did not use a lowered ejection port. Case denting was fixed by hand tuning the extractor tip to turn loose of the case rim so that the case ejects straight out to the right, or even upwards at 2 o'clock. I'm sure you have seen 1911s that toss brass straight up to land on the shooter's head, as well. That too is due to a poorly shaped extractor hook. A tighter grip on the case by the highest part of the hook will pull the case out high (12 to 2 o'clock). A tighter fit on the case rim down low in the hook pulls the case out so it slams into the slide wall under the ejection port. Also, check that you have the firing pin stop fitted so that the extractor is not twisting in it's bore. A problem called clocking. Can cause the extractor to turn and hold onto the case in a deleterious manner. Also, look for severe gouge in the extractor cut of the fired cases. A sharp or poorly shaped extractor hook will put a "horizontal gouge" in the angle part of the extractor cut. good luck, GJ

Just a shout out and a Thank You for the certificate for a Wild Bunch rig, donated to the Kansas State Wild Bunch Championship held this past weekend. I was lucky enough to win this. They support SASS at numerous shoots I have attended. As do other leather makers . I have used mernickles products and never disappointed. If you see them stop and Thank them for their support and take a look around.

Howdy Griff, From the TG meeting I have attended it was agreed that a good TO could pick up a .22 rifle so the rifle being the last firearm shot should not be an issue. So "get rid of rifle not last rule?" Jim

Well I do have to thank y’all for bring up the question of 1911 gun weight. You made me open up the safe, one of them at least, and weigh a bunch of guns. Weighed a total of 32 guns, and then stopped as there was no need to go further. I have pictures of all these on the scale, no point in posting them here and taking up a bunch of space. Unless y’all want visible proof. But I do appreciate the photo’s that all have posted, I like looking at other guns. Prior to weighing every gun I verified my scale with two 50 gram certified weights, for a total of 100 grams. Scale hit 100 gram’s every time, except twice, it read 101 grams. I’m not concerned with a .035 ounce error. And it would be on the heavy side. I weighed a total of 12 traditional guns. Six that I built and six commercial guns. Of the 12 traditional guns only one failed weight testing. It was one I built and it has Woolly Mammoth Ivory grips on it. They are very heavy. This gun failed by .4 ounce. These grips weigh in at 2.8 ounces. They are actually heavier then a Tripp 7 round mag, which only weighs 2.4 ounces. So I could easily get the weight down. It’s my wife’s gun and she loves the grips. Only uses this gun locally. At any major shoot, she’s using a Springfield Armory, which weigh’s in at 38.3 ounce with a Tripp mag inserted. Of the commercial traditional guns weighed. Two Springfields, two colts and two Rock Island Armory’s. The heaviest was an old Springfield SS gun at 39.7 ounce with an OEM mag. All others were at least 1.5 ounces under the 40 ounce limit, with a Tripp mag. Onto Modern guns. 20 guns were weighed, 10 built be me. Commercial were six Les Baer’s, two Kimber and two Wilson. Only three failed the weight of 42 ounces, again all three I built. Two have Damascus steel slides on them, which are much heavier then the forged slides of Caspian and Les Baer. And the Damascus was only 42.2, and these have Mammoth grips also. The last one weighed a whopping 43.3 ounce, but it had the Mammoth grips and a Trijicon SRO red dot on it. So does not count. All other modern guns fell well within the 42 ounce with an empty 7 round mag. I looked at the Wilson web site and none of their guns are listed over 42 ounces, empty. And their empty is with a 8 round mag with a base pad. Now I understand we will run into problems with scales used not being calibrated/verified, but that is critical. When we are only talking about few ounces, you need to verify the scale with certified weights, not just start increasing weight limit’s on the gun.

There were a lot of SDQ. Too many of the adjacent stages had targets painted opposite, in ex. one stage the red was a multi hit and black targets were single hits. The next stage the targets were painted in the opposite way and added to confusion. The kill em all stage, was challenging for the shooters and TO alike since there were only 7 targets to a position and you could not shoot targets at the next position. This lead to lots of clearing guns for movement and SDQ. Every stage was rifle not last, which was found to be needed based on the prior year's speed rifle sidematch with 38s. We need to get back to a 150PF, so we can keep the game playable as you want. First five stages offered a little more flexibility in how the stages were shot vs the last five.

Regardless of how well tuned your 1911 is or how well you reload your ammo, knowing how to safely and quickly clear a jam is not something to be overlooked. Things happen and I've seen far too many newer shooters struggle with what to do when it happens. Going to slide lock, manually pulling mag from the mag well, clearing a FTF safely and indetifying what can't quickly be fixed should be learned/practiced. When things decide to go wrong, it can really eat up time fixing it. Totes

Boggus makes a great point a smooth trigger press makes the difference in hitting the target. Dry fire practice can not be stressed enough, start slow and in time a smooth press can be compressed to quite quick times. I used to at the end of a practice session ( this requires a paper Target). AT 3 to 5 yards put 3 shots into one hole it will show you what you are doing right or wrong. I still like the front sight . I agree with Happy Jack about time and magazine changes wasting time, make sure to get a good grip with the index finger pointing up the slide towards the bullet, you have a lot of practice pointing use it to get the magazine in the well. Put the flat of the magazine to the flat of the mag well and rotate it. ST

It’s an honor to have shooters like yourself using my guns.

Depending on application, I have springs from Wolff, ISMI, Springco, Wilson Combat, Colt, EGW, Thunder Mountain and others.

In the "early days" when we first set up Wild Bunch we followed the target mfgrs. recommendation on distances. We set pistol targets at 10-12 yds. SG targets at 12-15 yds and rifle at close to 20 yds. It was a lot of fun. Aparently what is fun has changed but the lawyers haven't.

How Close Should They Be? Hummm . . . What an interesting question. I believe the answer to be this: It depends on whom you are asking? Ask the persons who shot in the El Rey / La Reina categories at cowboy matches when they are lumped into the Modern or Traditional WB Categories at the State or higher level because there weren't five or more persons in their categories and the match director would not open up those Senior categories for whatever reason. Yup - been places where this has happened. Ask the persons who have shot stages where the scenarios are so complicated that 90% of the posse they are on received a Procedural. Ask those persons who have to struggle seeing rifle/pistol targets that are set at the back of distant berms where the front sight of the pistol is larger than the targets. And of all the places I have been shooting WB, very few clean the stages, no matter how the range is set. So am I advocating targets being set up close and personal. Not by any means. I know how I set WB targets when we had our range. Targets were 16"x"16' for squares and circles were 16" in diameter for our club. The pistol targets were set anywhere between 18' to 22'. Rifle targets at around 35', rifle/pistol targets at 25' and shotgun targets around 27'. I always used a tape measure. The Texas Stars, dueling trees, hostage/hostage taker targets were right at the 15' mark. These are just what I did and your mileage vary at your own clubs. I will make another observation . At State level Cowboy Match in the state where I live, the then President of the club made some remarks that went something like this: As he stood at the front of the audience he surveyed the trophies laid out to the front and sides of him. As he addressed the audience, he stated that statically about 10% of the audience would receive the those trophies. The other 90% of the audience were there to watch and see who were awarded those trophies. He went on to further say, those 10% of the audience receiving those trophies, would probably be in the top 10% no matter where they went. He state that he was writing stages, he struggled with who should he be writing a match for? Those top 10% who will continue to be in the top 10% no matter how challenging a match is or the 90% who will come back to support the club knowing that most will never have a chance at wining an award or ever seeing they names in the top 10% of whatever match they are attending. I believe that same challenge should be applied to any Cowboy or WB Match no matter what the level of the match is. Your audience will dictate what to write. No matter which group stages are being written for, attempt to make a challenge for everyone without writing stages that are only for the top 10%. In other words, everyone's organization is different. Do what works for you at your organization. When you travel and you don't care for the hosting clubs written stages let your pocket book do the talking. Thanks for reading - J.J. PS - Remember, all of those writing stages for any match, this is an entertainment business. Too hard, too close, too far away, too easy - well I'm sure you get the jest.

IMO, it's just being inconsiderate of everyone that has been using the large primer 45Auto brass for decades. So yep, user name fits. Folks using the small primer brass are simply making it harder for those set up for large primer 45Auto to reload. Brass is not cheaper. I haven't found anywhere that sells new, unprimed small primer brass, and those that sell used brass charge the same, whether small or large primer. I will not return your brass to you, when it winds up in my brass bag, I put it in my scrap brass bin and sell it. In my view, small primer 45 Auto brass is probably the brain child of some "anti-gun" engineer who thought it a great way to infuriate gun folks. Very much how I feel about Hodgdon and its Pyrodex rusting agent that burns.

With all due respect to the folks who got this ball rolling - a lot of people did complain about the old EoT matches. I appreciate all that was done to get this WB thing going - I actually enjoy it more than CAS (I know - Sacrilege!) (and I don't want to dumb down WB to the point of silliness, either!)- but I was on the ground, shot the matches, did pretty well, - and heard a lot of complaining. I heard it again, at the 2025 EoT WB match. No match is ever going to make everyone happy (well, maybe except the European championships, but they add a little bit more post-game liquor to the proceedings...) - but only one clean shooter marks a pretty tough match. To keep the people coming back is a big part of the challenge of SASS. Like politics, the best you can hope for is to make MOST of the people happy, most of the time. Then, the audience will let you know. And, judging from the grumbles I heard, they may want to tweak the match a bit. I hope they do; I'll shoot the match however it is configured - but I want the sport to survive and thrive, as well. Cheers, FJT

Just wanted to give a shoutout to Boggus Deal. I sent him a model 12 to install his firing pin, springs ect, ect…. Gun was smooth and functioned well before I sent it, what I got back was even better. Shot a match this morning and it did not disappoint. If your thinking about getting some work done I wouldn’t hesitate to send it to Boggus, think you will be pleased with the results. LF.

Holy crap! I ordered a postal scale from Amazon and weighted it... I never would have guessed it weighed this much!! I just ordered an aluminum mainspring housing from hogue. It's not overweight but so close I don't want to take a chance someone's scale is off in case it ever does get weighed.

Yes it's chrome. I wish it was only nickel so it wouldn't look like the bumper from a 58 Buick but it was a gift, not a lot of people buy me guns for gifts and I love it!

Thanks Marshall. I do agree with that. But I still have an issue/concern. First the Cowboy handbook has no bearing on what we do in WB. But I will follow your recommendation to look at both handbooks, to include the new ROBS course. Agree both ROBS and SHB for both Cowboy and WB state, safe to leave shooters hands "empty", for the shotgun reference. But if you read in the MSV section, for Cowboy, bullet 1 and 2 both reference leaving an empty in the action or chamber of a long gun as being a penalty. So this penalty follow's with the "safe to leave shooters hand" statement. I would also emphasize "EMPTY", as this is the correct call. Now the problem is in the ROBS and SHB for WB. I agree that both ROBS and SHB for WB have the "safe to leave shooters hands" statement, and that condition is "Empty". But in the WB SHB (ROBS does not mention this issue for WB) under MSV infractions, there is no mention of leaving empties in the action or chamber of a long gun as a penalty. So this does not follow with the safe condition to leave shooters hands. And where/what penalty would be assigned? Nothing is stated in any of the penalties overview for this condition. Reading further down in both ROBS and SHB we start to run into conflicting statements. Starting with ROBS unit 10: CAS v WB - Key Elements. Third bullet is "There is no penalty for an empty case/hull in a gun that is "OPEN" or that the shooter has cycled". Not going to get into the fight on whether it's possible to cycle a SxS. By opening the gun and cocking the hammers the requirement has been met for "OPEN", and the result, according to the new ROBS book, is no penalty. But then I'm also assuming that a hull is referencing a fired, empty shot shell. If it's not, maybe that's where my problem is. WB SHB also has this same no penalty statement for leaving an empty case/hull in the safety section for all firearms. So if your statement "and I emphasize is, "EMPTY", is the official ruling. You will need to remove all those other statements (from the WB ROBS & SHB) of no penalty for an empty case/hull, in addition to the PO Pocket Card. The RO Pocket card only list one MSV, and it is not for empty hulls. You will also need to come up with an addition to the MSV infractions to award a penalty for this action. The way it is now is very conflicting. If we use your emphasis of "EMPTY" what is the penalty and where can that be found for WB? Depending on how this goes, you should also look at the verbiage for Rifle Conventions (in both BODS & SHB) as it has the same empty case in the gun, it is a NO CALL-as long as the gun was cycled. But then almost directly under that statement is the "safe to leave shooters hands, Empty" statement. Again just trying to get this straight in my head. Because the way I'm reading this, no matter what call I make. There cannot be a penalty as nothing is listed in the Penalties Overview covering this situation. Thanks buddy.

That would make it a clean stage, yep. Drop mag at end and rack to slide stop to make sure the 1911 is open and empty. GJ

3-5 stages is hardly a state match if you are doing it as a one day in front of a cowboy match.

Hey what's with all the posts from Abilene all of a sudden? Heheh, I ran out of 45acp ammo a couple years back and the reloader I used for that was slow and 90 miles away most of the time (in the middle of a long slow move) but I finally got my 550 that is here set up for that and loaded 1000 rounds, so I'll be shooting some more WB even though I'm not very good (fairly accurate but terrible at magazine changes and don't practice 😊). So I was getting caught up on old posts. Anyway, to the subject at hand, we had a 4 stage WB side match at the Texican Rangers Comancheria Days / Texas State SASS match last weekend, and I got a video of Whiskey Kid shooting BP. He shoots APP in his rifle but real BP in the pistol. Not sure about shotgun. He said the 1911 runs well but he cleans the chamber between stages. He did pretty well, too, coming in 9th out of 63 shooters. Kid Rich was on another posse, so I'm not sure if he was shooting BP as well.

Wow I have not followed this for awhile , but as far as I’m concerned Holy Terror should absolutely be able to shoot and compete and win. She is a very dedicated shooter a great shot and only helps our sport. This is her hobby as well as everyone else who shoots. I’m trying to be nice about it , but I don’t want a participation trophy. ST

This Artful Bullet article shows some good pictures of the three common 1911 lip designs. https://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/1911-magazine-feed-lips.9672/ Magazines with lips which uniformly narrow for the full length from the back plate of the magazine up to the release point of the round - those are THE BEST for a "round ball" load. That was what was provided in both WWs to shoot military ball. Often called GI-Ball or tapered lip design. Magazines with wadcutter type lips, also called controlled feed lips, usually have a good chance of feeding non-ball loads. Especially made for short stubby nosed wadcutter loads for target shooting. These wadcutter loads will often pop up the round too fast in a military (tapered) lip mag and lead to point-up jams against the feed ramp. The wadcutter lips are usually parallel at the rear for a short way, then open to a clean release of the cartridge at a specific point engineered for best feeding of wadcutters and the stubby hollowpoints. Most good quality magazines today are made as the hybrid design, combining a shorter taper section at the rear, and then an opening of the lips which allows almost the same type of controlled feed of the wadcutter magazine. Like Boggus, I like a magazine with hybrid lips for Wild Bunch, especially with bullet designs other than a 230 grain round nose. Hybrid lips give the most reliable feeding with a wide selection of bullet shapes and compositions, in my experience. good luck, GJ

One of the boilerplate axioms in the entertainment business is, "The audience will let you know." Without arguing semantics, one of the reasons folks spend the time, money and effort that they do on this, or any other sort is for fun. Whether or not that's entertainment, you can argue on your own time. If the time effort and money spent doesn't offer some value or return on investment, then they will find something else to do. Most of us work hard for our money, and this should provide an escape or a pleasant getaway from the realities of modern life. After a match designer, be it legendary T.A. Chance, RePhil, or Lassiter, or your local guy/gal, designs stages for any length of time, they will find that shooters tend to comment on stages, favorably, or otherwise. The good ones should go into a file folder that you can trundle out again occasionally, and the ones with lots of "P"s or misses might go into another, rather more circular file. No more that one trick per stage. Par times should be roughly equal for all stages. Difficult scenarios should have easier target acquisition; tougher targets should have simpler instructions. Have a good mix of sweeps, but don't try to re-invent the wheel. Data mine your matches, listen to your shooters. Keep that file folder. And the audience will let you know. And always, respect to all those hearty souls who stay up late designing those stages, huck the steel before the match, and put it away when most of us have already headed home. Cheers, FJT

Folks, just like on the SASS Wire, there are scammers here, too. One reached out to Dusty Boddams about a deal he and I made 3-4 years ago. His info is going to the police and banks. He sent me his routing number and bank account.

Simple answer is - yes, a 38 Spl rifle will be legal, especially since you already have it. And - Yes, current PF minimum is 60 for Rifle. If you need to access the handbook - it's at: SASS Rule Handbooks page Welcome to WB! GJ

Just wanted to close the loop here. THANK YOU to everyone that directed me the @Boggus Deal firing pin solution! Got mine in the mail today and 10 min later was out test firing it. What a great solution! I'm all set now and the M12 is much smoother. NOTE: I did leave the bolt lock/retaining lever installed as I really don't notice it interfering with the action at lease on my M12. Ready for my next WB Match! Totes

But with the goal to get the targets so close to bump them with the muzzle, that power factor would be too dangerous. Remember, this is about “entertainment”, not shooting skills. People want a clean match so instead of learning to shoot better, that’s make the targets so big and so close, you have to try to miss them.

There was an, uploading, computer glitch. Scores should be posted on EOT site tonight. Match was challenging. Only 1 clean match, Holy Terror. Lots of movement, some small, dueling tree, targets. Think all had an interesting time. I imagine, next week, will have more reports as folks come home.

Arizona SASS Wild Bunch State Championship January 24, 2025 @ Elzy Pearson Shooting Range in Casa Grande, AZ Wild Bunch State Championship will be held in conjunction with Gathering of the Posse's Cowboy match. Six stage match on Friday with awards asap after the match. Squibber and Cholula Mike are the Match directors. Applications will be available soon . dustybunch.com

Best advice I was given is to have mags that work every time without fail. Second was to use a loaded round gage and check every round you will use in a match. Any round that doesn't drop fully into the gage goes into the practice bin. Also check that the primers are fully seated.

I would just like to get a Chronicle

Who do you think submitted that photo to Sass? My brother took it on my phone, and I uploaded all of the awards photos since no one else was taking photos. I have to agree that I keep hoping to see the progress and equal standing promised, but I still have yet to even get a single acknowledgement from a Sass official on my win. I had several lengthy interactions will all of them afterwards and not a word about it to either of us national champions. Throughout the rest of week I had a bunch of other wonderful shooters come up and congratulate me, some I don't think I had ever even met before but they could be bothered to say something nice out of the blue. I was at least hoping for better treatment from our official magazine...

This is the scammer. He is well known over in the cowboy wire. Thought I’d share is info here. Bank name : PNC BANK Bank account owners name : Todd Allen German Bank Routing number :041000124 Bank account number : 4166665692

At least SASS retained the concept that an empty case or hull left in a long gun is a “no call” as long as the action has been cycled. They could have changed the rule back to mirror the CAS rule that the shooter had to clear the rifle or shotgun. Cowboy shooters who want to use a double in Wild Bunch have to clear it, same as in cowboy. That’s simpler than having a different rule in each sport.

Howdy Pards: Just did a "word for word" on the 2024 SHB to the 2025 SHB. Here's the changes I've found. If you find others, please let me know. Page 6 Modern Category: May use any SASS legal main match shotgun and any legal main match rifle, .38 caliber or greater. Traditional Category: May use any SASS legal main match shotgun and any legal main match rifle, .38 caliber or greater. Teddy Rosevelt Category: It is recommended that the rifle targets for Teddy Roosevelt be set at 25 to 50 75 yards. Page 7 Doughboy Category: The rifle must be an original caliber bolt action rifle issued by any country to its military forces through the end of WWII. It must be as issued with original iron battle sights and no external modifications. Original scoped rifles are not allowed. Minimum Entrant Category Requirements: *Shooting categories offered at any match, including Teddy Roosevelt and Doughboy as Main match categories, are ultimately at the discretion of the Match Officials to ensure the success and viability of each match individually unless the individual contract indicates otherwise. Page 10 Range Operations and Safety Rules: Add/Change Bullet points 7, 8, 9: - All staged long guns shall have their barrels pointed safely down range, unless the stage scenario and provided prop calls for vertical staging of the long gun(s). (Vertical staging is not restricted by SASS). - All long guns initially staged on a horizontal flat surface shall be staged lying flat where at least the rear of the trigger guard is on the staging area. - All handguns initially staged on a horizontal flat surface must be staged with the entire handgun lying flat on the staging surface. Page 14 1911 Pistol – Range Operations 1911 Safety and Handling First bullet point: Magazines may be loaded with up to seven rounds at any time, unless limited by stage instructions. Third bullet point: After being first charged, the shooter may move with the 1911 as long as the chamber is empty of a live round. The slide may be forward or locked back. It may have no magazine or an empty or loaded magazine. Page 18 Shotgun Gauges: Slide action shotguns must be centerfire of at least 16 20 gauge and no larger than 12 gauge. Page 19 Safe Conditions During a Course of Fire – Shotguns: A shotgun is considered SAFE to leave the shooter’s hands… Add Bullet Point 4: Action open. Page 22 Safety: Safety and Handling Conventions: All Firearms: Replace 12th bullet point with: There is no penalty for an empty case/hull in a gun that is open or that the shooter has cycled. If a proper attempt has been made to cycle the gun, it will be cocked. Page 23 Bullet Point 1: Change to read: “Long guns will have their actions cycled at the conclusion of each shooting string. If the action of a long gun closes after being cycled, then the competitor will, at the conclusion of the stage, show it to the TO. Appropriate penalties will apply if it is not empty of live ammunition/unfired rounds.” Page 26 Change to read: Targets are set at close to medium range. While there are no absolute rules, the following are distance recommendations by firearm, if using a target size of approximately 12"-16" in diameter: Pistol targets: 7 to 12 15 yards. Shotgun targets: 8 to 15 16 yards. Rifle targets: 15 13 to 25 50 yards. Add: SASS recommends the round count for the pistol (per stage) is a minimum of 28 rounds. Page 33 Ammunition Covenants: Power Factor for the 1911 Pistol: Change to read: The minimum bullet weight for the 1911 pistol is .45 ACP and the minimum power factor of 150. The maximum velocity standard for the 1911 Pistol is 1000 fps. Pocket RO Card Remove first entry for MSV “empty or live round……”

Practice, practice,practice and then also practice for the worst. Be able to clear jams and such safely and quickly. Test all your magazines to be sure they feed and release freely. Then practice, practice, practice some more. Get someone else to load your magazines with a snap cap (dud round) in one of them somewhere. It will help you practice clearing your pistol and using your "barney".

Leave Traditional 40cal or bigger with 150 PF... Modern can have all the 38 mouse farts and race guns they want...

A couple of our local clubs do allow "Cowboy 1911" ( 5 round mags). One allows shooting half of the Cowboy rifle targets with the pistol to increase the difficulty. The other doesn't and doesn't allow stoking the shotgun. It captures some of the elements of Wild Bunch but the large spitting distance pistol targets are less of a challenge. And at least in the local clubs, movement with the pistol or shotgun in cowboy matches are rare.

BTW, every WB (and Cowboy) match needs access to a squib rod to assist the shooter with clearing stuck rounds or squibbed bullets! Lengths suitable for pistol clearing and rifle clearing. And a squib rod or drop weight to test for and remove wads stuck in shotgun barrels. Using one in this case would have been a correct way to get a round that the extractor cannot grab out of the chamber by running the rod from muzzle to chamber. Stick a small rag over the slide face and extractor to make sure the primer of the round does not contact the extractor tip when the cartridge is bumped out of the chamber. Why? Isn't this just a crutch for an ill-prepared shooter? No, it's because a loaded firearm may not be taken from the unloading table (which is the final "station" on the firing line of every stage) until it is cleared, except with direct supervision by a match official. Without a suitable tool to assist a shooter or a match official to clear the stuck round, one of the match officials must find a way to assist the shooter to place that still-loaded firearm into safe condition for temporary storage and transport - maybe even over the public road system. Make it easy to do so - keep clearing rods around the match. good luck, GJ