Cardboard Cowboy

Thank you FR, that's a pretty good deal. I'll check into them. Sux to loose a mag from being stepped on. I've gotten a pretty full box of them now. CC

Thanks all. And Dave that Tripp P/N has a welded on base pad. The Tripps welded base pads are pre drilled with two holes for installation of after market base pads. Like Dawsons, Ed Brown, Wilson. The Tripp poly/alloy base pads will not fit onto a Tripp welded mag. They are secured with a spring plate, which you can see in the second picture I posted above. I was really hoping that there may have been some "unicorn" Tripp mags. With removable base plates that were standard length. That would make the Tripp's the best. My biggest problem with the welded pad's, are I have several that have been stepped on and the body gets slightly deformed. No proper way to fix then. Now if I could get that pad off, easy repair. Thanks for checking. CC

And if you knew anything about these mag's, you would know there is no welded on base pad under that poly/alloy pad. And if you happen to take the poly/alloy base pad off, the mag's are non operational. So again my question to you then, are you saying these are legal for WB? If not WTF is your point in even throwing these mag's out in the WB forum. Here's two pics of these mags. I asked Dave, who stated he had removable FLAT base pads. Your posted Mag is neither of these item's.

FR, that's not WB legal. So no point in that, or are you saying that it's WB legal? Dave said he bought flat base removable base pads. Your link is not for a flat base mag. And so Dave could you list the model number off the mag or show a picture of it? I've been buying Tripp mag's for over 20 year's (back in the Gen 1 day's) and have never seen a removable, flat base pad sold. I'm just curious. Thanks buddy. CC

I did not know Tripp ever made a standard length, flush fit magazine, with a removable basepad. Can you show a picture of it? Or provide the model number off the side of the magazine. Thanks. CC

Y'all have really shown me why so many parents have gone to home schooling. I really hope you're not in any instructor position, because you suck at it.

Illegal modification………was it approved paint?

Haha. But is that a modification? Or just profiling. I know. You just turned the sight around. 🤣 CC

🤠

Perfect answer Jorge! See y'all soon. We will be at the Cowboy camping site Brad. Markie is looking forward to seeing you again. Is your better 1/2 and pup's coming? CC

My bad Brad, see I’m a poet. I really was only referring to the front sight. But here’s a Colt series 70 rear sight, identical to a Mil-Spec sight. Except the evil dots. Colt also has a front sight, to go along with this rear sight, that is also Mil-Spec. Except for the evil dot. Which is just really painted on. I’m sitting in Alabama rain right now, our SER starts in two days. So I don’t have a picture of the front sight. so your saying re-profiling or polishing the dots off is a modification? This is listed under the conventions. Profiling is not a modification. According to the convention pg 10-11. ok running up to PCC range. Just bought Treylee two new JP-5’s snd she needs to break in barrels. Brad are you camping at LR? We’ll have a soda and talk it over. CC

Morning Brad, Please ask your ROC member, where in the Handbook does it state that “3 Dot sight’s” are not allowed on a traditional gun. Please use those exact words, “3 dot sight”. Don’t care about the color, we’ll get to that later. I’ve look in the HB’s back to 2009 and there is no mention ever, of 3 dot sights for the 1911. Would a 3 dot sight be allowed if the insert’s were colored black from the manufacture? In 2013 the verbiage “no sight inserts or colored sights allowed” was added for traditional category modifications. It was still listed this way through 2019. In 2020 this bullet comment was deleted and has not returned through the May 2025 handbook. I completely agree if they are any other color, except polished blue to very matted parkerized or any dull color as OD green, flat dark earth, desert tan, etc. They would not be legal. As all these colors mentioned, are legal for gun/slide color, the sight’s may be the color of the slide or any combination of the slide color. Also the back of the sight can be polished to a natural steel color, we’ve got a lot of options. Sight requirement states “Military Style”, not Mil-Spec. Handbook calls for a blade “style” front sight, which can be dovetailed (not Mil-Spec), pinned (not Mil-Spec) or staked (Mil-Spec). But all three attachment methods are military style, as long as they are simple blade sights. HB also stated all parts may be smoothed, re-profiled, polished, deburred or replaced provided they are not prohibited in these covenants. So you could file away/polish the white dot (if it is a white dot, 3 dot) and be in compliance. Unless you can show me in the covenants where “3 dot sights” are called out as prohibited? As for the other (bigger?) sights, I assume you’re (Jorge) referring to the taller front “Blade” sight? Since the handbook calls for “Military Style” and not Mil-Spec. Is it a blade style front sight? Answer is Yes. Mil-Spec gives all the dimensions of the sight, hight, width, angles, tenon width, depth of tenon through the slide, etc… “Military Style” is calling for a simple blade front sight. No mention what the height requirements are. Ok now for my quirky question and comment. I think they got the HB correct by stating that the sights must be the color of the “slide” and not just gun. What if I have a Forged frame, which is blued. And I have a stainless slide, if the sights could be the color or any combination of the gun. I could have a blued front sight and a stainless colored rear sight. But to me it would not matter. Who uses sights anyway? See you in a couple weeks Brad. Cardboard Cowboy

Well I do have to thank y’all for bring up the question of 1911 gun weight. You made me open up the safe, one of them at least, and weigh a bunch of guns. Weighed a total of 32 guns, and then stopped as there was no need to go further. I have pictures of all these on the scale, no point in posting them here and taking up a bunch of space. Unless y’all want visible proof. But I do appreciate the photo’s that all have posted, I like looking at other guns. Prior to weighing every gun I verified my scale with two 50 gram certified weights, for a total of 100 grams. Scale hit 100 gram’s every time, except twice, it read 101 grams. I’m not concerned with a .035 ounce error. And it would be on the heavy side. I weighed a total of 12 traditional guns. Six that I built and six commercial guns. Of the 12 traditional guns only one failed weight testing. It was one I built and it has Woolly Mammoth Ivory grips on it. They are very heavy. This gun failed by .4 ounce. These grips weigh in at 2.8 ounces. They are actually heavier then a Tripp 7 round mag, which only weighs 2.4 ounces. So I could easily get the weight down. It’s my wife’s gun and she loves the grips. Only uses this gun locally. At any major shoot, she’s using a Springfield Armory, which weigh’s in at 38.3 ounce with a Tripp mag inserted. Of the commercial traditional guns weighed. Two Springfields, two colts and two Rock Island Armory’s. The heaviest was an old Springfield SS gun at 39.7 ounce with an OEM mag. All others were at least 1.5 ounces under the 40 ounce limit, with a Tripp mag. Onto Modern guns. 20 guns were weighed, 10 built be me. Commercial were six Les Baer’s, two Kimber and two Wilson. Only three failed the weight of 42 ounces, again all three I built. Two have Damascus steel slides on them, which are much heavier then the forged slides of Caspian and Les Baer. And the Damascus was only 42.2, and these have Mammoth grips also. The last one weighed a whopping 43.3 ounce, but it had the Mammoth grips and a Trijicon SRO red dot on it. So does not count. All other modern guns fell well within the 42 ounce with an empty 7 round mag. I looked at the Wilson web site and none of their guns are listed over 42 ounces, empty. And their empty is with a 8 round mag with a base pad. Now I understand we will run into problems with scales used not being calibrated/verified, but that is critical. When we are only talking about few ounces, you need to verify the scale with certified weights, not just start increasing weight limit’s on the gun.

Well yes, 1911A1's do really weigh that much, almost. Steel frames at least. Standard government issued guns have a spec of 39 oz., empty with mag inserted. I just weighed four government issued 1911A1's (built in the early to mid 40's) and the average was 39.6 oz, with a government mag inserted. And these all have the plastic grip's, grips average weight is .5 oz. So the grips are very light. On my current traditional gun I really had to put it on a diet to keep it under 40 ounces, with an empty mag inserted. Frame is Les Baer forged, slide is forged Caspian and then all other parts. I use thin grip's (plastic) which have been lightened. My final, crappy, part to get me under the 40 ounce was the use of a Colt plastic MSH. That saved me almost 1.5 ounce. Final weight of my gun is 38.3 ounces. With a standard steel MSH I may hit 39.8 to possible 40 ounce. Depending on scale used. Was not worth the risk of going to a large match and get called out for being overweight. And comparing a steel frame 1911A1 to an aluminum framed DE is apple's to oranges. Your DE has an aluminum frame. An aluminum frame can weigh up to 6-10 ounces less than the same steel frame. And if you did compare it to your DE, claimed wight of 48.6 ounce, 8.6 ounce is a huge difference. That's the wight of three 45 acp magazines. So even though you're certain it's a misprint, misprinted on both their website and in the manual for the gun, maybe it does not weigh 42 ounce. But I bet it weighs very close to 40. Is it worth the risk of traveling to Land Run or EOT not knowing what your gun weighs? Drop it on a scale, with an empty mag, and see what it really is.

But he’s garrison joe, and thinks he is god about everything firearms related. I remember many years ago when he chastised me for a very simple question. I have no use or desire for his “want to be” knowledge. Have a nice day joe. cardboard