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No, the TG meeting at EoT was simply to tell us that there is still no ROC, and not enough TGs to make any rule changes. SASS says no rule changes runitl the TGs vote and the ROC approve. About three items were brought up and shot down, as they would not be discussed until the above conditions were met.

I will say that nearly all WB shooters hope this rule changes. One of the great things about WB is that the guns can be shot in any order. The 60 PF breaks this as the shot timer no longer reliably picks up these low power rifle shots. Shooting a 38/357 and making a higher PF should not be an issue. I expect this to be a heavily debated item at the EoT TG meeting. You might wait at least until after that meeting.

Especially since PF is set at 60. It's going to change the game and prevent ending with a rifle. Which is a real bummer, I liked the flexibility in WB, it helped break up the monotony. Especially for those that liked moving to the left, it helped them out some.

stoke it if you can

It's silent, because any WB legal pistol/shooting style is legal. Many shoot modern and two handed. Some of us are wired wrong now and still shoot traditional style in the TR/DB categories

Under "Sanctioning," I simply cannot accept that dollar value with out a lot more data. I was feeling deceived with the "Membership and Shooting Engagement" numbers, unless there are just way more active SASS member than I can reasonably estimate. Misty claims only $8448 has been taken in for sanctioning fees in the last 10 years! From Bear Creek Volunteers alone hosting sanctioned matches from 2019-2023 I can account for at least $1,035. For state matches I have attended in OK, TX, and KS from 2020-2023 (non-inclusive of all matches, missing at least 4 state matches in this) I can account for another at least $1600 of sanction fees. Based on average shooters, those four state matches I missed, would be about $500 more. Four years, and four states have generated more than $3000. I am to believe the rest of the country can't account for any more?

It was a great time! Shooting TR for four stages was a great addition!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/oklahomaroughriders/permalink/1061879631843821/?mibextid=oMANbw Try this

Lawman, thanks for adding this in the rules. I get asked this at least once a match.

Ruby, Thanks for the clarification, I was trying to verify that, but had not been able to do so yet. Thanks for making it easy

Tully, I will say I had at least some hand in bringing this up based on feedback from running WB matches in our area, our shooters and talking to shooters in OK and TX. I am a little curious as our conchos are $65 a piece for senior conchos. Our area would favor having a WB specific buckle. I assume this would be an overall Mens and Ladies like SASS does for sanctioned cowboy matches. Currently the feeling is we are forced to buy the conchos to honor all categories the same. At the $65 price point, this is higher than the each cost we have paid for any of our buckles from Mollys. Since we ran TR and DB as main match categories, we would have been looking at 7 conchos out of pocket, for less than that price we bought buckles for each of the Territorial champions. We would prefer to have the freedom to decide what awards are used, and the ability to make it more affordable.

J Frank Norfleet, it looks like those numbers exclude the ladies categories, any particular reason why? WOW look at the Traditional category count for DoT! That's crazy. I think your approach is down the right road, but I would argue your outlook. Considering the pressure about growing the sport and overall membership, I would look at this as Wild Bunch is the only division of the two that brings in people under 65, and not just aging everyone out. WB has about 42% of its shooters under 65 at EoT while you are looking at under 20% on the Cowboy side. WB is the best chance SASS has for membership. I will also say, EoT's WB is probably my favorite match. I like that they push the targets out some from the cowboy side, but I always explain to people as the targets are just big enough to miss. People always get cocky about the targets there, and push too hard. To build on that, there is variety in the stages, a couple of harder, couple easier and most in the middle. I like that EoT makes you have to adjust the throttle, as opposed to a match that just keeps it at one level. I don't think anyone here will argue with the fact that WB's treatment and labeling as a sidematch has been a hinderance to it's growth. I have always teased the idea of having a 3 stage CAS match at my Wild Bunch matches, just as a turn the tables maneuver. I like the lower cost of entry to get into WB, and it's easier to bring in new members. Especially with Doughboy and Teddy Roosevelt removing the $1800 rifle requirement.

Well the door prizes are rolling in big time! We have two mernickle rigs to give away, bullets for days from Bear Creek and Quality Cast, Gift Certificates for all your favorites like Bullets by Scarlett and Starline Brass and much more!

This is definitely on the calendar. Folks if you've never shot Dusty Boddams' sidematches; well you just haven't seen how much fun a sidematch can be.

Who needs one of these!

This is just awesome

Have your applications post marked by Aug 28th to make sure we have your shirt size in time.

Interesting that you got more consistent results with the Moly Coated. I assume all the same primer for Colt as they aren't listed? I only tried Hi-Tek 200 Gr bullets as that's all that I load in 45 Colt, typically Scarlett's or Missouri Bullets CB #4. I settled on a Red Dot load that had a spread of less than 40 FPS. At Following are my results from Clean shot: 5.0 Gr 495, 590, 544, 569, 604, 613 FPS ES: 118 6.1 Gr 778, 703, 759, 810, 702 FPS ES: 108 6.5 Gr 769, 942, 901, 841, 823 FPS ES: 173 The load I use for Cowboy velocity of 4.3 Gr has a ES of 34, and 36 in C45S.

CN Double, after the Illinois state match, it looks like we will have an interesting challenge for modern PCC as well. Bring it along.

Wild Bunch matches tend to be a little short on buckles.....So come get one at Pershing's Pursuit - MO & SouthWest Territorial Championship! Join the Bear Creek Volunteers 9/15-17 in beautiful Branson, MO for a Wild good time. Starting this year, we are going to have Doughboy and Teddy Roosevelt as main match categories. Bring out your M1 Carbines and Thompsons for sidematches that you'll only see from Wild Bunch! More info and Applications at https://bearcreekvolunteers.com/PershingsPursuit.html Discounted room rates through Stone Castle Hotel, dinner will be at a seperate venue. We'll have two stages of Bootlegger and Audie Murphy, there will be pocket pistols, speed matches, BAMM, LR TR, and more! Get your apps in!

I recently switched 45 colt from TB to red dot. Using bullseye for 45 ACP with Clean Shot as a back up. Would not recommend even trying Clean Shot for the 45 Colt at WB PF. It does not like the extra case volume and changes its mind with every shot how it's going to react to it. Smaller cases, it works well.

Planning on being in KS this weekend as well.

I posted a link to it on the WB Facebook group, but here is the link from Cooncan: https://powdercreekcowboys.com/2023-mayhem-at-monticello/

Pershing's Pursuit, or the Wild Bunch match you won't want to miss! Applications are out, and join the Bear Creek Volunteers September 15-17 in Branson MO. If you have ever thought, " I wish I could shoot Doughboy or Teddy Roosevelt as a main match category," Well now is your chance. We are offering those categories to be shot in tandem with the regular categories like Modern and Traditional. We'll even have a few new sidematches, so bring all those extra guns! Hotel and other info to follow at https://bearcreekvolunteers.com/PershingsPursuit.html Pershings_Pursuit_App_2023.pdf

Sarsaparilla and I will be there!