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Just about every shooter in Wild Bunch uses a 1/4 inch, leather, baseplate cover on their mags. WBAS SHB PG 12 "A base pad may be added to the magazine if it meets the following requirements: it must be made from natural leather material only. It must be no larger than the contour of the base of the magazine. The total thickness of the pad may not extend more than ¼” beyond the original base plate." Mernickle sells them by the 10 unit lot 1911 Wild Bunch Mag Pads – Mernickle Custom Holsters You don't have to use the metal baseplates bare, but you can't use plastic. Darkmoor Armory motto "death before plastic"

Procedural for firing more rounds than required by the stage instructions.

44wcf is rifle As for the other stuff you rant about. When the game was created, the materials and supplies that were available at that time were used. Note, the WB Movie was filmed in 1969. If you don't like the rules and regulations of SASS WBAS, please, contact your TG and see if they can be changed.

Shot my first WB match on Saturday as a “Unofficial” competitor! Lots of fun my WB rig showed up in the mail today! I found Trent “Tomahawk Johnson” SASS 16927 on EBay selling Leather goods for WB and SASS shooters. I didn’t want to spend top dollar for something that won’t get a ton of use but what I got was “Top” quality for a very reasonable price…..and quickly! One week from order to receipt! Slides move along the belt, the holster is pre-Moulded with an open top for quick withdrawal and re-holstering and he has designed a “clippy” thing on the holster to fix its location on the belt. The leather is soft and supple and workmanship as good as any others’ I’ve seen. Best thing was the price and availability.

I dunno. The 1/4" leather pad seems to work for everyone else.

Before the shoot they were offering to check anyone that wanted their ammo checked. Two years ago they had a WB shooter prize of a Garmin chrono. Kid Rich won it. kR

Hmmm... the OP asked a question and received a very plausible answer in the first response. Unless you were involved in drafting either set of rules... it's just speculation on your part, and your speculation is just as valid as the next person's. Nothing to get worked up about. The earliest rule book I have digitized (1989), specifies that #4 shot is the largest allowable. Somewhere I have rule books from EOT in 1986 & the original SASS rule book from 1987. As I recall, both specify the same. So that rule pre-dates my earliest recollections in cowboy action. If that rule follows the trend of other rules, it's in place because someone use a larger shot size and created a real or perceived safety hazard. 'Nough said. I've used #7-½, 8 & 9 shot in both CAS and WB and haven't encountered a difference worth noting. The earliest WB Handbook I have digitized is from 2009, the first edition and specifies the largest size shot as #6. No explanation provided. GJ's speculation is certainly plausible. Maybe PM Happy Jack, as I seem to recall his being involved in drafting the initial WB rules. Or, at least an early member of the WBROC. Really? Differences of opinion are inevitable. Expressing varied opinions are what make us THINK. It's called communicating. And communicating is what makes a community. SASS is a big community... I don't know anyone that agrees with EVERYTHING... And if they do... I have to wonder they've ever had an independent thought?

It's a totally legitimate question and suggestion, don't be discouraged. But yeah, anytime you tell people that certain ancient standards should be modernized, it's like you kicked the hornet's nest. with many of these people. This isn't the first time or context where you will see this sort of response. Just search "power factor" or "classic" or "open category" around here and read what resulted when there were minor changes to the rules that changed nothing for the people who were already shooting WB.

Because somehow my opinion would be better than yours if I met your preconceived standard? You're the one hurling insults at someone who dares have a different opinion than you.

Just trying to ascertain your credentials in wild bunch. If you want to be this way, ok, bye.

You are nothing but a whiny cry baby!!! You think the world should change to please you, that is childish and plain rude!!!!!

You sure whine a lot about everything! Why do you shoot Wild Bunch if you dislike it so much?

I expect that you will also be using paper shotgun shells, because there were no plastic ones in 1913. I assume also that your rifle isn't a .38 Special, .357 Magnum, or .45 Colt because there was no such thing as a lever action rifle in any of those cartridges then, either. Common sense should have prevailed a long time ago on the magazines, just like it did for these things.

Because "elsewhere" is not based on the movie The Wild Bunch. More like Rambo meets Lethal Weapon meets HALO. Different genres. and, as for thickness, stack them, as long as they don't exceed 1/4 inch.

Right, they do that in wild bunch because we have no other options. Virtually everyone shooting 1911s anywhere else is using a mag with an actual basepad. The Mernicle leather pads are unfortunately not 1/4" thick. I made some of my own, and they aren't either. I wish I had a source for leather that thick, even the full 1/4" feels like it'd be an advantage.

Who is everyone else? Nobody but the most dedicated purists and Wild Bunch shooters are using welded baseplate magazines.

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Every reference to Shotgun modifications, found in the SHB pg. 18,19, state if found on the original firearm type. If there was a shroud and/or bayonet lug on an original Model 12, it's acceptable to install a new one.

I wanted to know if I was crazy so I asked ChatGPT. Excluding buckshot and non-toxic shot, somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of all shotshells sold are 7 1/2 or smaller. I think 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 shells is pretty uncommon. 4 and 6 are not common or widely used outside of hunting. They're entirely banned from clay target fields. That they can be purchased at Wal-Mart doesn't tell me anything. I can buy and load #4 shot at Sportsman's any day of the week. It's never sold out because nobody wants it. If you don't consider that uncommon, choose your own word to describe it. There is not a widespread use for large, lead birdshot other than hunting of upland game large enough to require it, which I do not do, because I am a shooter, not a hunter.

Not arguing with you. I am just stating what I have observed in the past and cautioning about driving clubs and people away. I am glad that Misty saw the wisdom in making changes to bring in more shooters. I have spent time talking with shooters and encouraging them to come back and give WB another try. The old regime did their best to alienate shooters that had been shooting WB for years before they took over and changed the rules to suit them and their needs. Please try to understand that it is the disaffected CAS shooters that will grow the ranks of WB shooters. I believe in what Misty and CC are doing so strongly that I became certified to teach WB. I want this game to thrive, but harping on how the new game is not good is not the way to help anyone.

Despite my best efforts to ask a simple question without causing a battle, I failed. I must say that bickering like this is far worse for the game than any rules or changes. I think anyone reading this who was considering WB has run off like their hair was on fire. And Seth, I’m getting a little slower every day:) see you at the Muster!