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Nope, they have GI style baseplates covered with leather. For the other sports where normal magazines are allowed, I use Tripp Research with Dawson Precision aluminum basepads. No plastic here.

I took the opportunity to shoot our Wild Bunch Lite category at my local club. I also shot my usual Gunfighter category as well. It was our first hot weather day and I was drenched in sweat by the end. I think between that and shooting each stage twice I didn't shoot very well. But here are videos of the same stage one as gunfighter and one as WBL

Howdy Y'all, Please find attached the minutes from the 4 Corners Regional TG Meeting. Jim Minutes of the Wild Bunch Territorial Governors Meeting 2025 V1.docx

FREE- WILD BUNCH 101 INTRODUCTION TO WILD BUNCH SHOOTING CLASS AND DEMONSTRATION THIS SATURDAY MAY 10TH IN SAGINAW MI. CAMPING AVAILABLE ON THE LAKE. CLASS WILL BE HELD ON THE RANGE AFTER OUR COWBOY SHOOT/AWARDS/LUNCH. LEARN THE RULES, EQUIPMENT, STRATEGY AND TIPS ON STARTING OUT IN WILD BUNCH. SAGINAW IS ALSO THE HOME TO THE 2025 MICHIGAN STATE WILD BUNCH CHAMPIONSHIP ON SEPT. 27 AND 28TH. NEW SHOOTERS ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND. APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE. https://www.facebook.com/Saginawcowboyshooting

That has been the issue forever. When you have an event that is designed to be competitive but is also designed to be entertainment (Cowboy Renaissance Festival for all intents) you're going to get a lot of different skill sets and that isn't going to change nor should it. We are the only shooting sport that doesn't have qualification rounds to get to the National or World level. It's been that way since the beginning. That's why it's important to have qualified RO's and at the same time not whine about SDQ's because they are going to happen.

Is there any information about the TG meeting at the 4 Corner's Regional ? I am working with Wooden Nichols to produce the minutes. Once completed we will post them Jim Miller

I shot IPSC before there was a USPSA and one of the very few CHARTER LIFE members of IDPA still around. I agree 100% with EL Chapo. Most people don't know the rules and the reasoning behind them.

Not true. It cannot be required but it is not prohibited to holster a pistol on the clock in all of the other handgun shooting sports where I have shot tens of thousands of rounds through a 1911. It is not required that one do any of those things. The other sports 1) require a holster that covers the trigger and 2) permit the holstering of a pistol with a round in the chamber and the safety applied. Really, it's that simple. In 5 decades of matches it has been proven that those safety rules are completely sufficient. If the gun falls out of the holster, it's a match DQ. Pick your holster carefully. What we need is a serious culture and attitude change toward the automatic.

I recently bought a Tisas 2011 and I am amazed with the quality for $520. It seemed too good to be true, but it isn't.

I bought Wilson Combat mags for my WB mags! Fortunately they were on sale.

Michigan Wild Bunch State Championship

FREE- WILD BUNCH 101 INTRODUCTION TO WILD BUNCH SHOOTING CLASS AND DEMONSTRATION THIS SATURDAY MAY 10TH IN SAGINAW MI. CAMPING AVAILABLE ON THE LAKE. CLASS WILL BE HELD ON THE RANGE AFTER OUR COWBOY SHOOT/AWARDS/LUNCH. LEARN THE RULES, EQUIPMENT, STRATEGY AND TIPS ON STARTING OUT IN WILD BUNCH. SAGINAW IS ALSO THE HOME TO THE 2025 MICHIGAN STATE WILD BUNCH CHAMPIONSHIP ON SEPT. 27 AND 28TH. NEW SHOOTERS ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND. APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE. https://www.facebook.com/Saginawcowboyshooting

You are right, a pretty good deal for $800.

Hey All Thank you for the replies. Mr. Chapo - She caught it good. Almost like she was stomping crickets in the garage during the summertime. No possible way to fix. Mr. GJ - Thank you for answer. I did look at the website you referenced, previously, and noticed the set screws on the triggers you referenced were on the back without the threaded hole in the front. Plain and simple, I wasn't sure so thought it best to ask. Will order a trigger from Harrison shortly after I push the 'Submit Reply' tab. Thank you again with your responses. J.J.

You can use solid (no lightening holes) triggers on a Traditional gun, either with or without the "Overtravel adjustment" screw. If you get one with an overtravel screw, you can certainly adjust it to give you the overtravel length you feel comfortable with. Harrison Design has some triggers that are solid, have an overtravel screw (but the screw hole does not show from the face of the trigger), and are pretty reasonable and very reliable. Lots of traditional 1911s in WB carry their fixed sight sight blades - very nice. Take a look at this page: 1911 Triggers from Harrison Custom And you will see a short, medium and long trigger available. (HD-101, or 102 or 103, available silver or blue finish). good luck, GJ

There are certainly other sports where pros and amateurs get to compete on the same surface. Drag racing is widely admired for that. No, I can't enter into the NHRA nationals. But I can race on the surface where they do it.

I found out (The hard way) that WBAS is NOT just CAS with a 1911. I shoot a stage where you had to move to shoot your shotgun last and re-holstered my pistol and all I heard was "waaaaaaaait" but, alas, it was too late. Being that I have shot way more CAS matches, I was used to doing that with my revolver(s). I still don't understand the logic but now at least I know.

In other action shooting sports, except IDPA, which penalizes dropping loaded magazines, competitors will replace the magazine in their gun before it it is empty so that they don't have to cycle the slide to get back to shooting. Tenths of seconds can make the difference in winning or losing a 12 stage match, and shooting the gun to slide lock is much slower. The only time you will see a serious competitor shoot a gun empty is if he has made a mistake. At that point, the competitor has made such a serious error that the stage is a total loss, it's just a matter of doing the best you can at that point. Since the game is shot in shooting positions of no more than 8 shots per position or view, even a single stack .45 1911 has 8+1 rounds, so there will still be the last round in the chamber when the person hits their reload. And in the other divisions, the guns can have much higher capacity, some up to 27-28 rounds, so there would be no reason unless someone has really screwed up that the gun would ever be empty. It is not only common to not shoot the gun empty, but also to modify guns so that they don't lock back when empty. The reason for this is to avoid the possible reliability issues that come from the lock back function (e.g., I just got a new 2011 that likes to lock back with 1 round left in the magazine, so I will be installing followers without the lock back function when I get around to tuning the magazines to make them work).

Flying W Ramrod Members 179 Posted Friday at 02:29 PM I would suggest you contact your TG, provide them with actual handbook citations regarding this issue, and help them work on it. It all starts with the TG's. I have used Flying W Ramrod's post to highlight an issue that was obvious from the attendees at the 4 Corners Regional TG meeting. To garner as much feedback as possible Wooden Nichols opened the meeting to all Wild Bunch shooters. It became obvious that many attendees did not know the current issues being discussed or who their respective TGs are.

The course of fire ends with the words "range is clear." If your gun isn't in your holster, the RO shouldn't say those words. But if he does, and the course of fire is over, and the gun is NOT in your holster, with limited exception, it's a match DQ for unsafe gun handling. So also wrong again. Maybe I should say this: if you think you know what you're talking about, or even if you're sure you know what you're talking about, cite the rule that supports your assertion. Because thus far, literally every claim you have made in this thread is verifiably false by simply looking at the rules, and obviously so to anyone who has taken an RO course in any of these sports. BTW, if you were done shooting and holstered your gun safely, the only thing it'd cause is the RO to ask you to unload and show clear. There is no rule that says your gun has to be in your hand when those words are uttered. So you're absolutely wrong about that part. The shooting is over in that case, but the course of fire is not. And like every other part of the course of fire between "make ready" and "range is clear," it is absolutely legal to holster your gun in the correct ready condition. So in that case, it'd be "no call." But for this, you don't even know the reason you're wrong. You're wrong because the course of fire isn't over yet, so it is governed by the same Rule 8.2.5 discussed above. Holstering your gun (safely) is not a crime.

Well, they surely did not do what the shooters wanted with the rifle and shotgun rules, did they? And it sure didn’t help attendance… But if you want to keep believing that warm wet stuff running down your back is rain, be my guest!

Add this to this list: https://americanhandgunner.com/handguns/sds-arms-tisas-asf-m1911a1/

They might be holstering either one depending on the circumstances. Ideally, a gun is never shot dry in an action shooting sport.

That seems like a very nice gun for $800. I have been shooting my STI Spartan 9mm for the last 14 years and eventually it's going to need a friend in the safe. I'm pretty sure it cost me something like $650 then, which is $943 in today's money. To be able to get an American made gun for $800 is a steal.

Wrong. IPSC is just the international version of USPSA, the rules are the same and even numbered the same. Not only is it not prohibited, the rule explicitly says it's okay if done safely: 8.2.5 "A course of fire must never require the competitor to re-holster a handgun after the Start Signal. However, a competitor may re-holster provided this is accomplished safely, and the handgun is either unloaded or in a ready condition stated in Section 8.1." IDPA, I was unable to find any rule prohibiting holstering on the clock upon review. I am not and have never been an IDPA SO, but it was born out of USPSA, so unless there was a reason to prohibit it, they probably just didn't. 3 gun is all outlaw these days, although all of it started with USPSA rules, and it sounds like you recognize that holstering is generally legal there. Steel Challenge involves literally holstering your loaded gun dozens of times per match. It also does not prohibit holstering on the clock, although I can't think of any reason you'd want to. It looks like we're the last one left drawing empty guns and prohibiting holstering. Although I haven't shot ICORE in a while so maybe they have a rule I haven't reviewed. I'm not aware of the existence of any other dynamic, athletic shooting sports. But so far all of them say that holstering is perfectly safe, even though it sounds like you weren't aware. The rule change that would be necessary for us to do this safely is that holsters would have to cover the trigger 100%. But virtually every other handgun shooting sport requires that as well. And I'd gladly buy a new holster to not have to draw an empty gun on the clock. Anyone who comes from another sport and sees us carrying Israeli carry is going to be seriously put off by what they see. It may not seem like that now in this community, but let me tell you, I came from the other one, and we didn't carry empty guns to the line.

First rig: J.M. Ross belt, holster, mag pouches and ammo slide. Belt measures 46” to center hole sold Second rig: second rig unmarked also 46” to center.sold

Sadly, I came in 10th out of 27. Was a hoot though.

Hollow point bullets are specifically prohibited. WB SHB v. 17.5 page 32. Same prohibition in the CAS SHB.

I did a test match with my 1911. Loaded Triple 7 to the base of a 230 grain Hi-Tek coated bullet. Shot a 6 stage WB-Lite match (60 rounds) with nary a problem and no cleaning of the barrel or chamber between stages.

You would be guessing correctly.

I don't know but would guess that a corporation didn't pay all that for her to go to EOT.

Highly recommended , only way I feel you can dry fire without worrying about a broken firing pin. ST

Those last 2 comments sound like they came from people that have never shot a true WB match. Makes me think that their expectations were for a SASS match shot with a 1911 and not an action match that required people to actually use their front sight. I do wonder about the comment "I was working all the time". Were the posses small? Were shooters not pulling their weight by failing to step up and do posse chores?

Here is some more info: Cimarron's 1911 is a 1911 model, available in Blue and Nickel. It is blessed with the nubbin sights, and is a gorgeously finished pistol. MSRP is $635 and up. Taylor's is another 1911 model with a high polish Blue or Nickel finish and again the nubbin sights. MSRP is $729 in blue. Iver Johnson's 1911A1 with better sights and has a good reputation, but I haven't handled one of these myself. MSRP is $900+ Fusion Firearms has a 1911A1 with an interesting "semi-improved" set of sights, somewhere between nubs and taller sights as on the Colt 1911A1. I have built guns on Fusion frames and their stuff is very good. MSRP starts at $750. The Charles Daly is a 1911 style frame with nub sights and the stuff carrying their name seems to be well made. MSRP starts at $604 And the Auto-Ordnance and Thompson branded guns are made on the same line, so I am putting them together. They are a 1911A1 pattern with nubbin sights and all sorts of finishes available. Well finished and made over the years. MSRP starts at $750 and goes up from there. If you buy a used 1911 or A1, I would suggest in the strongest way possible to replace all the springs. Detail stripping is not difficult and Wolff makes a spring pack that is very reasonably priced, and is very cheap insurance to make your 1911 run well.

And while you can take it up with the TGs, they have absolutely no say in the final decision regarding any rule.

My first 1911 was a Ruger back when they first came out. I traded it off like an idiot.