Boggus Deal

Well… Having discussed this with all of the major steel target manufacturers in the country, they all say no less than ten yards for pistol targets. My suggestion is ten to fifteen yards for pistol targets.

It’s odd that every year until this year after the changes, Winter Range and EOT sold out. Had a cap and a waiting list. While cowboy attendance steadily declined. All you have to do is look at the final match results.

You just backed up my argument. While I have never been to a Wild Bunch match that was a “precision pistol match”, they should be more challenging. Not bump the barn door sized target with your muzzle and pull the trigger. Changing the guns is not the problem. Making it cowboy with a 1911 is. If I were to go to the cowboy wire and throw a tantrum because I can’t shoot my .38s in Classic Cowboy what would happen? Everyone would go into vapors! Over a costume category… Just a costume category… Wild Bunch was a stand alone shooting sport.

Stick with the 230. If you have to make power factor, the 230 at 700 fps is quicker split times between shots than a 200 at 800 fps. Also, softer recoil.

Why do you think they had to take the rule out of the rule book about a match DQ if the bullet struck within 5 yards of the shooter? When you can’t hit a barn door sized target more than 5 yards away… And l beg to differ on that’s the reason for lack of attendance. After the recent rule changes, attendance should have skyrocketed, right? Well, it didn’t. EOT was down. Land Run was down. It didn’t draw shooters. It just ran off more dedicated shooters. The numbers don’t lie. All one needs to do is look at the match results.

All 12 ga Model 12s were 2 3/4”. Except for Heavy Duck which were 3”. There were no short chambered 12 ga.

As for a 20 ga, remember parts are about 10 harder to find than 12 ga. For every 20 gauge made, there was probably 100 12 gauges. Most all the parts will not interchange.

When Model 12 hunting, do NOT get a 3” Heavy Duck gun. I have not been able to make them run with 2 3/4” shells. As previously mentioned, the Lightweight versions don’t hold 6 shells. All Model 12s are takedowns and all will slam fire. I see some dealers advertise like those are super rare features.

CC, First, thank you for the kind words. I appreciate it very much. Truly. Second, I don’t know you well enough personally to like or dislike. I just don’t like or agree with things you’ve said and done. Two different things. Boggus

Shhhhh! Don’t tell anyone! They’ll try harder to dumb down what’s left of Wild Bunch to cowboy action level.

Well…. Since you asked. 99% of cowboy action dress up players can’t really shoot, they don’t like a higher round count, targets out past 3 feet or targets smaller than a barn door. Or the fact that that Wild Bunch stages aren’t choreographed like a kindergarten play.

No. They don’t hold 6 rounds.

Model 12 is by far the fastest, most reliable and available shotgun for Wild Bunch.

Obviously, to me at least, there is something different. They can’t register here, yet can go to the cowboy wire, register, and are able to question registration here.

About every other day, there is a question posted on the SASS Wire about registering here. If SASS supports Wild Bunch so much, why do they make it SO hard for new shooters to register here? Is it a mistake or a deliberate attempt to do so? That’s a rhetorical question. CC? You have an answer? Just like the five years I hosted the New Mexico State Wild Bunch State Championship at Founder’s Ranch, just minutes away from the SASS headquarters and always offered free entry to the match, always a free dinner to anyone in the SASS office who would come. Want to guess how many ever showed up?

Why? Because it doesn’t fit your narrative? For 10-12 years, the national and world championships sell out. You change the rules and it doesn’t sell out, by a large margin. To me, that’s about as good a barometer as possible. Cause and effect.

Just like every other rule change made in the last ten years “to get people to try it”, thinking dropping the rifle power factor will get anyone to try it is just bull produced fertilizer. What it did do and will continue to do is drive dedicated shooters away. Just look at EOT 2024. What was it down? 50-60 shooters? EOT sold out last year at 175ish. This year there were just over 100 shooters. As I’ve stated many, many times, the same complainers will continue to complain and NOT shoot. The one big complainer over on the cowboy wire already said he still won’t shoot because he can’t have an ambi safety on his Traditional gun. He was also that said years ago he would shoot when he could load 7 in the mag. Guess what? He still don’t shoot it. And won’t. He’ll just keep whining. I’m not sure why he wanted seven in the magazine. He can’t count to five in his revolvers. How does he expect to count to seven in his magazines?

Any one that shoots a 10# recoil spring with even a 150PF is inviting trouble. Broken firing pin springs, frame, slide and barrel battering, short spring life.

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I make and sell a couple weighted follower options.

Personally, I wouldn’t go to 20”. That feels too short and muzzle light to me. I like 22 at least. And even then I put weight in the magazine:

It wasn’t removed because as Happy Jack said, it’s never been legal.

Personally, I prefer to use what the man who developed and patented it called it. Thomas Crossly Johnson called it the cartridge cutoff. But what did he know?

Deacon, no link yet. PM me a number I can text or an email and I’ll send info. Thanks!

As long as it’s not a 3” Duck gun, I’ve not had a problem with anything 2 3/4” in mine and the ones I’ve built. some people will tell you need a shell guide on the carrier but I’ve only found them to be rarely needed. Some self proclaimed experts will tell you need to lean to gun over to the left to make them feed. You don’t. A plug for my firing pin here. It does make the gun work smoother, more reliable and unlike other replacement firing pins on the market, you can dry fire it until your arms wear out and not break it.