Garrison Joe

Really bad product naming and management by a company desperate (?) to make money off of the history of a historic shotgun, IMHO. There's nothing wrong with making a clone of an Ithaca 37 - great gun in it's own rights. Just name it accordingly so novice gun buyers are not deceived. Here's a retailer with ad copy advertising it as a 1897 shotgun! https://palmettostatearmory.com/rock-island-armory-t1897-12-gauge-pump-action-shotgun-black-tpas.html good luck, GJ

Here's an easily found YT video on how to do the bevel and what a nicely finished one looks like. This is legal for Traditional or Modern Wild Bunch guns. A mag well extension added to the frame is not. Per this rule found in the modifications for Traditional or Modern pistols: good luck, GJ

Rule book says for a Traditional gun - Ambidextrous safeties were not part of original 1911 design. Doubt one would be accepted on a Traditional gun. Ambi thumb safeties are explicitly allowed on Modern category guns. You will have ABSOLUTELY no need for or usage of the thumb safety when shooting Wild Bunch. So it doesn't matter on a gun that is devoted to Wild Bunch competition. Gun does have to HAVE a working thumb safety, though, even if it is never used. Figure out if you are going to shoot your 1911 one handed (Traditional) or two (Modern). THAT will decide your main category. Then pick a gun that suits the category, per the rule book. Rules here: the pdf version of WB shooters handbook: https://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/SASS%20WILD%20BUNCH%20Action%20Shooting%20Handbook%202022%20-%20Vers%2016.3%20-%202.2.22.pdf the page on which you find the pdf to download: https://www.sassnet.com/Shooters-Handbook-001A.php good luck, GJ

A great gun for Traditional. Make the sights one color - paint, sharpie, nail polish, etc. A bevel on the bottom edge of the magazine well will help a lot with quick reloads. good luck, GJ

Thanks for the replies, gents! As you can tell if you read the other replies carefully, the old rules and now the new rules both make it necessary to just about have X-ray vision to understand just how many rounds are fired from each and every magazine, especially when the shooter does tactical reloads. Most of the spotters I have had the pleasure of being scored by, and probably half of the ROs I have shot with, don't count rounds-fired-from-each-mag, they count rounds-fired-toward-the-target-array on the string being shot. A carry-over from being used to cowboy RO work, probably. Mag overloading is a very infrequently encountered penalty situation, too. So why count so as to detect the rare situation, when it's so much more likely to need to guide the shooter about "where am I?" on the target array, especially right after they slam in a new magazine. And the few expert ROs who actually CAN keep a running count of both at the same time? My campaign hat is off to them big time! I'll confess that I VERY rarely can count rounds-from-each-mag. I try to keep up 100% with the shooter's progress through the target array. While also trying to watch muzzle, position, and gun handling. good luck, GJ

The rules need to be "easy to apply" regardless of the rounds in the magazine. Either because of what the stage instructions called for, or what the shooter decided he could use/load. Next question we see could very well be that the shooter has an 8 round magazine (legal if only 7 rounds are loaded), but in which he accidentally loaded and used an eighth round. Several ways I can think of this being hard to detect and hard to assess penalties. I'd still strongly suggest we only penalize the "overloaded ammo was used" error (with a P) and stop with any other penalties about ammo that goes from good to illegal. Just consider that the shooter already "paid the penalty for overloading," and let them continue with the 1911 as they see fit. No trying to figure out which and how many individual rounds are legal or not. Is this a shooting contest or a differential equations class? If they hit correct targets, good. If they missed targets or messed up an order, then penalties are incurred like normal based on standard rules. good luck, GJ

Well, I believe the new rules are even harder to apply in some situations than the old rules were. Seems like it's becoming just about impossible to apply these rules for the 1911 pistol string because who really knows at this point, considering multiple mag changes and tactical reloads, which rounds are not to be counted, which are, and which have to be "counted as misses" if and only if the shooter hit targets with them? Let's just realize that the shooter made a Procedural mistake if they overloaded the gun/magazine and then USED one or more rounds that were overloaded. No trying to figure out whether any particular round was illegal, just have to remember THAT the shooter used a round that was overloaded. Easy on long guns, pretty challenging on the 1911. But having to remember any MORE than that on the 1911 - is a "fools errand". And what would you do if the pistol string was an ordered sweep ("each round has it's designated target" - like Nevada sweeps, progressive sweeps, etc)? ALSO give the shooter a P for not shooting in the correct order? Suggest the rules should just penalize the mistake of overloading and using one or more rounds that were overloaded as a single Procedural penalty. Any more penalties on the "illegal" use of individual rounds is just too complicated, and it's a second penalty applied to the single mistake of overloading. And ambiguous wording of what rounds "count as shot" or don't is just asking for problems. These rules have to be applied by folks who are maybe old, maybe hot and tired, and maybe distracted. Let's keep things simple enough to apply correctly without having to do deep dynamic shot-by-shot analysis JMHO, GJ

Bent base plate on the mag(s) would mean they would fail to feed when loaded with 5 rounds, too. Never seen anyone abuse magazines enough to bend the base plate tip downward. Guy must be a weight lifter. ;D good luck, GJ

First, sounds like a new gun. Have you run at least 250 factory-strength rounds through this gun to let all the parts run in together? If not, go do that before troubleshooting further. Many 1911s are now built to be smooth out of box. But AutoOrdnance - I would not bet on it. How did it fail to feed? Different locations of where the top round sticks mean different parts of the gun need to be worked. Nose jamming into feed ramp low on the ramp, round partially comes out of mag. If this is a new 1911, most often the feed ramp needs a little smoothing or cleaning up the angle. Especially with Semi-Wadcutter (SWC like H&G 68) slugs. But a rough or poorly angled feed ramp can hold up any lead bullet-shape load. Round "nose-dives" down into the front of the magazine body. The stamped metal followers on lower price mags often tilt and let the first round nose down into the mag when the slide starts to push it forward. I replace all those followers with a skirted follower that will not nose dive. The one I choose is the Tripp follower and spring, which you can buy separate. Last I bought (4 years ago, though) were about $12 each and made some moderate price magazine bodies (like Chip McCormick) work almost perfectly, like ALL my Tripp magazines do. Case catching during the entry to the chamber - the sharp edge of the bottom of the chamber mouth needs a very small amount of radius. (No, don't take a dremel to it, just a little bit of softening with a round stone). Catching of nose on ramp-to-barrel junction - barrel lip at bottom of mouth sticks out past a poorly fitted feed ramp. Look for a little lead shaving going on at the junction between the frame and barrel. I've never had "too strong" a mag spring in any 1911 magazine I've had, shooting a variety of mags through 3 different 1911s. Including Colt mags. I'd look elsewhere for your feed problems. Check also for rough or too-tight (damaged) magazine lips. Too light a recoil spring has been installed in gun? (I don't go lighter than a 15 # recoil spring). Rough or tight slide or frame rails? Since you had same problem with all magazines you loaded with 7 rounds, it's probably not a magazine glitch. It's MUCH more likely to be ammo (bullet shape, overall cartridge length not handled by your feed ramp) or a gun problem. If you had to hit the slide release to partially unseat the magazine and allow it to drop to get the top round to feed, it may be that the slide release needs to be better fitted where it grabs the slide release notch in the mag bodies. And, make sure the inner side of the slide release is not contacting the top bullet in a fully loaded magazine. good luck, GJ

10-8 and Harrison both make fixed 1911 sights which are Traditional legal by name in the rule book. I run 10-8 NM (National Match) model. 10-8 does not have a big selection of 1911 front sights (last time I looked they only had fiber optic sight blades with a Novak size base). So, I had a smith make a custom dovetailed front sight and dovetail the slide for it. That also is legal by rules. Each 1911 model CAN have some variation to the front sight mounting system. If you are not set to cut dovetails yourself in 1911 slides, it really is a job for a pistol smith, which our Boggus Deal is one. Many folks find that when they try to STAKE on a new taller front sight on a slide originally made with a staking slot, that the weight of the new blade shakes it loose from the staking. Yes, I was one of those folks. The dovetail system is SO much more solid and reliable. good luck, GJ

Congrats Elwood! Looks like you burned things down! Say, Back 40, you might know. I did not find the stage description for the Sgt York side match anywhere. Can you or someone else sketch out how that was shot at EOT? Oh, digging deeper in the archives and I found it = SERGEANT YORK – Wednesday, March 2 – 2:00pm to 4:00 pm Beyond Bay 14, beside the BAMM match - 5 rifle, 6 pistol Two rifle targets at 100 and 125 yds. Six pistol targets from 50 to 25 yds. thanks, GJ

Yes, you got it right. The last two rounds in the "7-round spare" magazine, when fired, are "illegally acquired ammunition" - these have to be counted as misses if when shot they hit the correct target. From WB Shooters Handbook: So, two misses would be the call on the main part of the question. OK, second part: If shooter only fired 5 from the spare and left a round from the spare magazine in chamber (and one in magazine when dropped), that one round would be "illegally acquired" if it is later fired and hits a target. That would be one round counted as a miss (if it hit the correct target). To make this work without penalty, one way would be to do a tactical reload after 4 rounds are fired of the 7 rounds in the spare. Thus you leave 5th round in chamber, and drop the mag with 2 live rounds left in it. Then fire the chambered round and four of the five rounds from your last 5-shot magazine. Lots of thinking involved, though. Shows you that for these particular stage instructions, even your spare mag(s) should be loaded with no more than 5 rounds. Would prevent the possibility of illegal ammo calls. And keep you from having to count rounds fired from a magazine or doing the tactical reload at the right time. good luck, GJ

Yep. wide spur is fine. Lots of 1911s issued with 'em. GJ

Type of sights is really personal preference. What ever you can use faster. I like a sight picture just like my main match rifle - a flat-notched rear sight blade, and a post with medium bead front. TR is never going to be a match that requires precision. I don't like a tang sight for a quick shot. good luck, GJ

Not locked into just one powder. I use what works, and with a 300 grain slug, I got better groups with 2400 than with Unique. Both work, just 2400 shoots better in my gun. You would have to test what works for YOU. Cast bullet loads depend SO much on what each rifle shoots well. Much more than jacketed bullet loads. That cast bullet load shoots real well with 19 grains 2400 - 1" groups in my Marlin at 100 yards. With 12 grains of Unique, was more like 2" groups. Both are plenty accurate for Teddy Roosevelt matches. One can. The recoil with 405 grain slug is 33% higher than the recoil of a 300 grain slug at same velocity. For shooting steel quickly at 50 yards or less, one is better served with a light bullet. Especially if one can get a nice group and consistent feed and function. But, the 405 grain bullet can shoot well in the Marlin, too. Mine gave about 1" 100 yard groups or slightly larger with 12 grains of Unique, too, in my tests last summer. Lots of 405 grain and heavier bullets won't feed in Marlin 1895s when seated to crimp in the crimp groove. The standard Lyman 457193 design needed to crimp at the top of the driving band, above the crimp groove. good luck, GJ

Surely can. I've got a light bullet load with 2400 that hits 1" at 100 yards with my iron sighted Marlin 45-70, ballard rifling. good luck, GJ

6 pouches is all I have ever needed. good luck, GJ

Thank you and the Rules Committee for the hard work again! good luck, GJ

And make sure to keep it canted over to the left. good luck, GJ

Generally those 3" chambered duck gun Model 12s are avoided like the plague in WB. Sorry, but it's been true for a long time. Lots of parts swapping tried, and as far as I ever heard, none really improved the feeding reliability or the speed. But if someone has cracked the nut on this problem, I'd like to hear about it too. :) good luck, GJ

That's a Winchester Model 12 with a vent rib. Nothing I see that makes it illegal - unless that's a fluorescent red bead at the muzzle. More complete picture might show something else. Rule on page 13 of WB Shooter Handbook If it's not one of those colors, it may be replaced pretty easily. Don't see a heat shield or bayonet lug... don't know what the talk here about Trench Guns is about. good luck, GJ

The parts-condition rules for a Traditional pistol are on page 5. Here's a very specific rule that pertains to your question: My interpretation of "the back of the sight" is that would be the whole back surface of the sight. Perhaps a Rules Committee member would care to comment. If the sight just "shows normal wear" that has removed bluing at the top of the sight, I doubt it would be considered an illegal modification. So, I'd give it a pragmatic view, and say it's good to go, without having seen it. But then, I've run local matches and shot in big ones, but not run the big ones. If you tune your gun to a typical 160 power factor load, the bullet weight won't matter much for your spring selections. And for a 160 power factor, I have found a lot of tuners (like Wilson) usually say a 15 pound recoil spring and a 19 pound main spring is a good balanced match. Remember that most factory 1911s (ones not intentionally set up for high power levels) are tuned to factory hard ball PF levels - 230 grains at 825 FPS or so, or about 190 PF. For that, Colt and several other makers install a 16 pound recoil and a 23 pound main spring when building guns. Why reduce the mainspring weight when reducing the PF and the recoil spring? Consider how those two springs are used. The mainspring is providing the major resistance to the slide moving back (more than the recoil spring, which is kind of the weak assistant during rearward travel). Really, the recoil spring is mostly storing enough energy to shove the slide forward to strip the top cartridge off the magazine and shove it upward and forward into the chamber reliably. Meanwhile, the mainspring is storing energy for the hammer fall that will come later. And, some slide energy is used up when the fired case hits the ejector, too. On forward motion of the slide, the main spring does nothing (it stays compressed until the hammer falls). The recoil spring is what drives the slide forward. So, when you reduce the PF in wild bunch ammo to 160 or slightly more (staying away from the absolute minimum of 150 provided by the ammo rules), the slide will be moving backward with less energy. To prevent a short slide travel that could fail to cock the hammer (or even fail to eject the case cleanly), the mainspring is commonly reduced somewhat. Testing shows, one can reduce mainspring weight to about 19 pounds in a smoothly running gun, with the mainspring housing honed to avoid wasting energy rubbing against the typically rough bore of the mainspring channel. And the reduction of the mainspring reduces trigger pull slightly. And the recoil spring can be reduced just a little, so drop it to 15 pounds. Safe to do since there is a fair amount of rearward slide speed reduction when the PF is dropped to 160. The lighter recoil spring AND mainspring reduces the effort needed to rack the slide, too. Along with radiusing the bottom of the firing pin retainer plate. The recoil spring still has to do the same amount of work to run the slide forward, so it does not drop as fast as the mainspring weight drops. You get into a balancing act with the two springs. Just dropping recoil spring weight lessens the reliability of going into battery well. Just dropping mainspring weight lets slide come back too fast and batters the hammer/sear engagement point and possibly the frame. Is there a quick way to see when you have a good spring-weight pair? I follow recommendations I've seen on Wilson and a couple of other sites. Clean up any fired cases on the range around your firing position. Load a full mag of your intended loads when you have gun smoothed like you want. Firm grip, using your intended shooting style. Fire until gun empties. Should see no failures to eject and no failures to feed and no failure to cock hammer. And last round should lock slide open firmly, not just hanging on edge of slide release engagement. Fired cases closer than 5 feet => often springs are resisting rearward motion too much (mostly the mainspring is heavy, but if one is reduced, consider reducing both) Fired cases farther than about 15 feet => spring set is too light and cases are being flung out with abandon. Go to a heavier set of springs. Free related failure troubleshooting experiences follow. Fired cases are dinging the mouth => extractor nose shape or ejector length isn't quite right to push the case out the middle of the ejection port Failures to eject - check ejector first. Then extractor tension. Failures to strip out of magazine - check magazine and magazine follower first (I use Tripp as a standard magazine) Jams going up feed ramp (3 point failures) - here, several things can be the source of problems. Subject of discussions galore on 1911 sites. But check magazine and mag spring first. Jams just short of going into battery - check ammo first, second and third. Then look at too tight a radius on break over from barrel ramp to chamber. A really good 1911 and spring maintenance guide is found in one of Wilson's videos: Including spring change out intervals. And, of course, these are guides I find to be useful on fairly smooth, tight Colt 1911s. Your gun will vary from that "legacy standard". Your goals in how the gun runs will vary. My goals are: Reliability - especially feeding and chambering and magazine operation Good trigger pull at about 3.5 pounds, breaking cleanly and consistently Sight visibility at speed. All the rest - doesn't matter anywhere near as much, even accuracy, but who doesn't love an accurate gun? good luck, GJ

Boggus Deal (a top shooter here) does excellent 1911 gunsmithing. Search the Member List for his contact info. I had my Series 70 Colt slide dovetailed, and a custom tall front sight fabricated, and a 10-8 National Match (legacy) rear fixed sight installed by Mars Armament, a smith shop in Salt Lake City. They also have done tuning suitable to ensure the gun runs 100% reliably. They were slammed by work in 2020 and may be back to accepting and completing 1911 work now. Top notch, but rather pricey. https://marsguns.com/ Recently made Colt Series 70 guns ship with pretty good, Traditional legal, sights already. But, I would highly recommend a dovetailed front sight. My 1911 lost a tall staked front sight after a professional installation was done. Tall sights just are harder to keep on the slide than original heights with their lighter weight. The dovetail, if done to one of the standard dimensions, allows you to easily change over to a different configuration quickly. Be careful to review the allowed modifications and replacement parts configurations that are within the rather tight window for a Traditional pistol. A standard Colt Government style gun (or Springfield, Ruger, Remington, RIA, etc) with * a beveled magazine entry (no added "well"), * no checkering or serrations on front strap, trigger guard or slide, * military-spec shapes and sizes on hammer, safety, grip safety, * fixed sights in solid color, blue, black, or natural colored steel/stainless (may be polished). No dots, beads, inserts, glow devices, etc.) * and a well tuned "duty" weight trigger are about all that is really needed most of the time. Gun tuned to run perfectly with "light hardball" lead ammo, at a power factor of about 160. Gun weight cannot exceed 40 ounces with empty magazine. good luck, GJ

Pretty common stage design. Rules cover the situation, and shooter is expected to be able to follow the rules. good luck, GJ

I gave up on hotels in Phoenix at MLB Spring Training time. and have stayed at AirBNB houses last three times I went to WR. If you are careful about reading descriptions, you can find houses about 5 miles or less drive, that are friendly to Ben Avery competitors. There are several cheap, non-major-name hotels around the northwest Phoenix area that are just horrible. Essentially week-by-week noisy apartments. And lots of vehicle break-ins reported by WR competitors at any hotel when vehicles have any hint they have firearms in them. Hard to say it, but if you want a hotel, go with "Big Names" that EOT website calls out, and take an extra arm and leg and don't leave stuff in the vehicle. good luck, GJ