El Chapo

Bullseye with a 230 is an excellent combination for 45 Auto. I don't load it but if I had Bullseye, that's what I'd be loading it in. I would not mess with heavier bullets, as the case is too small and pressures can get scary quickly if you do that.

I have an 8 pound jug of Aliant extra lite right now I'm going through as well, but there's a few cautions here. There are no published metallic loads for it that I'm aware of. Also, all Alliant powders are suspended production indefinitely, so once my jug is gone, I may not see any more. Given how scary the pressure spikes could be with it, I would not load it in any metallic cartridge. If I could pick one powder to rule them all, it'd probably be my personal favorite: Accurate Solo 1000. Unfortunately it has been discontinued for about 11 years, so I'm hoarding the last little bit I have. Runner up would be Hodgdon Clays for CAS/WBAS. After that, Alliant Red Dot and Ramshot Competition are two others I've tried that I would load in metallic cartridges and shotgun. Winchester WST works, too.

No real surprises here other than the shotgun misses. I am surprised to see the margin of victory on some of the questions though. Glad to see many people wrote similar comments to the ones I recognize as mine.

If my reading of the text is correct, I don't have to consult anything. It'd be the person claiming I was doing something against a non-existent rule who would bear the burden of explaining what was violated. Since I have enough ammunition for quite a while, I came here to see what others were doing because black powder is fun. I never said you had no grounds to express whatever you want. I asked what your textual support was. What's the call? And on what do you base the call?

Which I would do anyway, 3 dot sights are a terrible distraction. Not sure how those ever became popular.

You haven't answered my inquiry at all. You made a claim: that a cowboy rule that has no bearing on a rule decision as to WBAS governs. What's your authority for that? Because you say so? Because if there's any textual support for that, I can't find it anywhere. You made the claim, so the burden is on you to establish why you think that claim is defensible. My review of the WBAS rules suggests that by oversight or otherwise, the text that appears in the CAS handbook related to that issue and the banning of a certain powder by name is not present in the WBAS rules. WBAS was once a side match, and so all that history no longer matters. It is now its own sport with its own rules and equal recognition, so what was going on when it was a side match within CAS is irrelevant now or it wouldn't have its own rule book.

Do you have any authority for that proposition? It seems like a quite dramatic oversight, but CAS rules do not apply to WBAS and they are co-equals; WB is not inferior or subject to the rules from the other game.

Is there anything banning that in Wild Bunch?

I don't think your read is correct. I also think the fact that we can't agree on how to read this language suggests that this needs clarification. A SxS can certainly be "cycled" and "cocked." Neither of those concepts are unique to pump or lever action guns. Even a bolt action gun can be cycled and cocked. A definition that is limited to what "cycled" means for a pump or lever action gun doesn't tell you anything about what "cycled" means for a SxS nor does it exclude a SxS from the concept of what it means to be "cycled." In this case, it's likely the authors never considered it, but even that would not have any bearing as language often has to address facts not considered and the intent of the authors has nothing to do with what words mean even if some would find it persuasive. I think looking for ways to penalize someone for something that isn't clearly a penalty is an automatic no-no. If there's no clear rule that makes a certain infraction a penalty, then it should be no-call, just like "I thought I saw a miss" is a hit. That said, I have never used a SxS in WBAS and I don't intend to start, absent my M12 going down mid-match.

The question presented was an empty, not a "live round"

I'd be in favor of eliminating that definition in the interest of competitive equity. What is "attempting"? That requires us to get into a shooter's head. Obviously there's a good argument if the hammer falls and the round doesn't fire, but the fact that we even have to debate it is too unclear. I'm also in favor of round count stages, especially for wild bunch. It'd be a whole lot easier to have high round counts and more shooting if it wasn't for sweeps.

I don't think that thinking about shooting a target is the same as shooting at a target, but I'm also not any level of RO in either SASS sport.

I would think it's a P for shooting targets out of order anyway. If there are 3 targets you haven't attempted to shoot at, and you start another sweep, that is a procedural error on top of the 3 misses.

Separate is great if it's my state. Separate not so good if I have to travel. Either way, "Wild Bunch is not a side match"

I struggle with the same thing. Having it on Tuesday is hard. Thursday/Friday would be great.

I think we need to take the equal standing seriously if we want this to happen. "Wild Bunch is not a side match" needs to become our phrase. I also think there should be a push for the Wild Bunch and Cowboy Action Shooting state matches to be at the same location and done during the same event. Make it known that we won't be ignored and the recognition will come.

In Quickload, 3.9 grains @ 1.255" length with a 228 grain Lee bullet RN gets you 158 pf @ 10,696 psi. Bumping that to the 4.5 grain start load gets 182 pf @ 15,082 psi. All out of a 5" barrel. Quickload has the PF a little higher than predicted by the data you posted, but it's pretty close. I just got some Clean Shot and I may try it in .45 ACP the next time I load for WB. I'd have to reduce my Clays load to ~3 grains to get similar performance to 3.9 grains of Clean Shot, which probably wouldn't cycle very well. Maybe Clean Shot is as great as people say it is! I have 5 pounds to try.

I'm still on the fence but I'd really like to join you all.

N310 would be the common choice for .45 although there are slower powders that would work if needed.

I recently bought a Tisas 2011 and I am amazed with the quality for $520. It seemed too good to be true, but it isn't.

Nope, they have GI style baseplates covered with leather. For the other sports where normal magazines are allowed, I use Tripp Research with Dawson Precision aluminum basepads. No plastic here.

I bought Wilson Combat mags for my WB mags! Fortunately they were on sale.

You should be able to straighten the bow out. As long as it slides freely forward and aft, it'll work.

There are certainly other sports where pros and amateurs get to compete on the same surface. Drag racing is widely admired for that. No, I can't enter into the NHRA nationals. But I can race on the surface where they do it.

In other action shooting sports, except IDPA, which penalizes dropping loaded magazines, competitors will replace the magazine in their gun before it it is empty so that they don't have to cycle the slide to get back to shooting. Tenths of seconds can make the difference in winning or losing a 12 stage match, and shooting the gun to slide lock is much slower. The only time you will see a serious competitor shoot a gun empty is if he has made a mistake. At that point, the competitor has made such a serious error that the stage is a total loss, it's just a matter of doing the best you can at that point. Since the game is shot in shooting positions of no more than 8 shots per position or view, even a single stack .45 1911 has 8+1 rounds, so there will still be the last round in the chamber when the person hits their reload. And in the other divisions, the guns can have much higher capacity, some up to 27-28 rounds, so there would be no reason unless someone has really screwed up that the gun would ever be empty. It is not only common to not shoot the gun empty, but also to modify guns so that they don't lock back when empty. The reason for this is to avoid the possible reliability issues that come from the lock back function (e.g., I just got a new 2011 that likes to lock back with 1 round left in the magazine, so I will be installing followers without the lock back function when I get around to tuning the magazines to make them work).