Jorge Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Is it possible for the magazine spring in the Model 12 to be too strong, even if cut to allow 6 shells in the magazine? It seems that I often have feeding issues, especially with the first or second round out of the magazine. Would a newer spring, or the Wild Bodie Tom spring set help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUSTY BODDAMS Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 J, I don't think it would be the magazine spring to strong, to weak can cause problems. Tell me what issues are you having? Are your shells falling out of the gun? Double feed? Gun hanging up and just not wanting to cooperate? Dusty Boddams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 The action itself feel smooth at least when empty Often with the first one or two shells the shell seem to block the action or get stuck and not chamber correctly With dummy rounds that are empty of shot they seem to chamber perfectly and do not hang up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUSTY BODDAMS Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Jorge, have you had that shotgun taken down completely and fully cleaned? Some of these model 12's have been setting for many years with old gummy oil. That would be the first thing to do also when taken down go all the way to the firing pin,pull and inspect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 It was cleaned in the fall after our season and it had not been used to the winter However I'll inspect it and see what it looks like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Sounds to me more like a carrier and/or bolt problem. Has the top of the carrier been polished or worn too much? Is the shell stop on the bottom of the bolt worn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Is it double feeding? If so check the cartridge cutoff. Make sure it's in position to stop the next shell from entering the receiver. Tully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I've had to tweak the cutoff outwards just slightly to make up for wear. The tip should hang out in the way of the second shell getting onto the carrier ("cutting it off") after the first is already shoved out there. Good luck, GJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Me too Joe, that's why I was asking. Tully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 I cleaned the mag tube inside. It wasn't terrible, but a little dirty. The spring had no rust on it. After reassembly, I used some dummies with shot for the correct weight and ran them through without an issue. Now, I'll have to try them with regular shells at the range. I am not sure how much the bolt and cutoff are worn, I'll have to inspect them a little more. How obvious would that be? Of course, might just be operator error. Next step, off to the range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Can't say for sure on the bolt, but the hook of the cut off should block the next shell from exiting the magazine tube when the slide starts to move to the rear position. Hopefully your gun just was in need of a good cleaning. Tully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted April 14, 2016 Author Share Posted April 14, 2016 Off to the range today. Although things started well, I did have several "jams," when the shell would miss the chamber to the right and strike the side of the breech. So, I shall see if something is out of alignment or weak. I was wondering if a weak left extractor/spring could do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 What brand of shells are you using? The guns can be brand sensitive. Is the carrier un-flagged or flagged? My un-flagged needs AA's or STS's to run, Federals will go to the right and imped chambering. My flagged M12 feeds anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I seem to have got darn lucky. My unflagged one runs anything I put in it. I haven't shot my backup enough to know if it will or not. I do have a carrier with flag that someone needs more than I do...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted April 14, 2016 Author Share Posted April 14, 2016 The M12 is not flagged. I ran federals and AA both new last weekend, and today I ran various reloads. There was no particular shell that did or did not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I seem to have got darn lucky. My unflagged one runs anything I put in it. I haven't shot my backup enough to know if it will or not. I do have a carrier with flag that someone needs more than I do...... Boggus, Email me on the carrier and let me know what your asking for it. I would like a flagged one in my back up. lockettbryan@yahoo.com Thanks, Tully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Jorge, It maybe time to actually contact a gunsmith? Might get things done quicker for you. Tully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 Yes, I did take it to a gunsmith today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Hopefully that will take care of your problems. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Tully, email sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfoot Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I have seen shooters with an M12 without a flag that have problems and some don't. If a shooter tends to cant the gun when operating an M12 without a flag the shell can have a tendency to get misaligned. Luckily I have not had problems with my unflaged one. Your milage may vary. Blackfoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August West Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I have found it very easy to place the cut-off lever in the gun incorrectly. This has bitten me (I'm embarrassed to say) more than once. The front edge has to go behind the barrel, in an invisible slot in the receiver, before being dropped into the side of the receiver. I know everyone knows this. But, as I say, it has bitten me more than once. Also, I've found the cut-off lever likes to ride in a substantial pool of oil. Hope my confession helps someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvertip Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I got my model 12 from Pecos Clyde and it works better than I do. Contact him. ST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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