Wild Bunch Survey Update

[wyliefox]

GREAT . . .  a non issue.

I now hope that stage writers will stop putting all the rifle targets in the center.

[Eyesa]

14 hours ago, wyliefox said:

Interesting

Here is the original survey I was sent on March 17, 2025

 

1. Current WB categories to stay (or introduce as "Classic" category) with .40 Cal and above rifles with '97 or Model 12 Shotguns?

      YES  /  NO

 

2. For "Classic" categories the 150 Power Factor for rifles and pistols to be re-instated?

      YES  /  NO

 

3. An "Open" category/categories to be developed for those who do not wish to shoot in the original or "Classic"categories? These to include all SASS sanctioned firearms plus others to be agreed. Power Factors for "Open" category/categories to be agreed.

      YES   /  NO

 

4. With the introduction of an "Open" category/categories, delete overall winners and just have category winners?

      YES  /  NO

 

  5. Increase age-based categories: Open or Classic age category, up to 60 years; then Senior from 60 to 70 years; and Super Senior 70+?

      YES  /  NO

 

  6.  Should shotgun misses be allowed to made up?

       YES  /  NO

 

  7.  Enable "rifle to be last" in WB stage design?

       

      YES  /  NO

This is what I get! Ya need to scroll it to the left. Maybe it's just my phone if it looks normal to everyone else!

Edited September 25 by Eyesa

[JJ]

And where are the questions/results in this survey going?

The survey was completed by April 2025. It took until July 2025 to see the results posted on this WB Wire. Why so long?

Now, if I read this correctly, some here don't have a clear understanding of the questions after the fact and there isn't a clear understanding whether or not any of this will even be discussed at the Land Run Match because those in the know have not seen an agenda to find out if this survey will be discussed.

I'm just a little guy within the SASS WB community with very little input. Reading these posts in this thread, to me, says the results of a very small group within the SASS WB community who took the time to respond to the survey will, in all probability, not see any rule changes (or perhaps any discussion) within my foreseeable future. What a shame. 

J. J. 

[CC Moonshine]

On 9/25/2025 at 10:18 AM, JJ said:

And where are the questions/results in this survey going?

The survey was completed by April 2025. It took until July 2025 to see the results posted on this WB Wire. Why so long?

Now, if I read this correctly, some here don't have a clear understanding of the questions after the fact and there isn't a clear understanding whether or not any of this will even be discussed at the Land Run Match because those in the know have not seen an agenda to find out if this survey will be discussed.

I'm just a little guy within the SASS WB community with very little input. Reading these posts in this thread, to me, says the results of a very small group within the SASS WB community who took the time to respond to the survey will, in all probability, not see any rule changes (or perhaps any discussion) within my foreseeable future. What a shame. 

J. J. 

Hi JJ,

Things thought out properly take time, to prevent having to redo things not thought out.

That being said, there is a ton of conversations taking place almost on a daily basis regarding great ideas for WB.

The TG's and WBROC are all talking and there will be several topics at Land Run and again at EOT 2026. WB is growing at an unprecedented rate,

well beyond forecast when the rules were altered last year.  Keep giving information and ideas to your TGs', post them here or contact SASS by email with

ideas and thoughts. 

Thanks and have a super weekend,

CC

[JJ]

Mr. Moonshine -

I dropped back into the WB Forum to see if anybody had furthered along this thread. I suspected that if anyone was to make any comments that it might be you. By the way, I do not consider that to be a bad thing.

Before I get further along in this, I have to repeat a quote of a person that I met quite some time ago while shooting WB at some of the California State WB Matches at DDCT. This quote from him expresses my thoughts also: "I actually enjoy it more than CAS (I know - Sacrilege!)"

Your response on the first read through reads well enough. The second time through I had some questions. Your first statement I can agree with completely. Your second sentence is where the questions start. You state: "there is a ton of conversations taking place almost on a daily basis regarding great ideas for WB". What are these conversations? Our TG has never mentioned anything these conversations? Another of your comments draws questions to my mind. You state: "WB is growing at an unprecedented rate". Where is the data to back this up? The first part of the sentence that contains the last statement also states this: "TG's and WBROC are all talking and there will be several topics at Land Run and again at EOT 2026." Interestingly enough our TG has not stated anything like this. Neither have the TG's, that I spoke to, in the areas we traveled to shoot WB Matches this year. 

With one exception (and one match only) I have not noticed any type of significant growth in WB. From April to August our travels were directed to matches that also held WB Matches. Not side matches, but real 10 stage WB Matches. Let me tell you what I learned. With that one exception most of the WB targets were further out than I have ever shot. The shooters at the top will always be at the top. It's from the middle of the pack to the bottom is where the discontent is. At award ceremonies, match directors ask the crowd if they had a good time at their match. The guys at the top of the heap are mostly quiet. You can catch an attitude that some of those enjoyed the match. Those that didn't are quiet. It's too bad that match directors can't be sitting in the back, anonymously, and listen to what others have to say about the targets further back than last year, procedurals are up because of ridiculous scenarios and this misses they all had. Then listen to them state they aren't coming back to this again. This didn't happen at just one of the matches. 

For my own self been to matches that had targets 63' back (correct figure, because a person in the posse before day 1 took out his 100' tape measure and measured the distance). Been to matches, this year, where out of a 17 man posse, the Day 1 had 15 procedurals. Day 2 brought only 12 on the same stage. Was at a match with misses like this: This is after the Top 5 shooters, 10, 5, 9, 12, 16, 31, 33, 23, 31, 7, 6, 35, 25, 27, 21, 30, 37, 25, 28, 43, 28, 24, 42, 57 and 34. Listening to those guys at the lower half of this match did not express much of an interest of coming back next year. Another of the matches I attended went something like this. Before Day 1 started, some of the club officers realized that targets had been sent waaaay to far out. They dragged all of the targets on the bays 3' in. At the end of Day 1, upon advice for some shooters, these same club officers dragged all of the targets further in by 10'. On day 2, the closest target was 18' back. Not a respectful distance for a WB Match for that one set of targets. The others were further back. I could go on much more. I think everyone that has made it this far has an understanding what I am attempting to get across. 

Of all the WB matches we attended this summer, there was not a single WB match that had a clean shooter. Neither did the 38/45 rifle issue seem to be an issue to most anyone.

So where is this going? All this little person in the WB shooting community would like to see is some answers to statements above. 

By the way, the one exception to far out targets was a 10 stage match, where the targets were in even closer than I like to shoot WB. What those close in targets did was allow the fast shooters at the match (I was on a posse with some really, really fast 1911 shooters) to spray away. I learned that just like at the Tombstone Cowboy Match, no targets can be brought in close enough to where they will not be missed. There was not a single clean shooter at this match either. And No, I do not believe that WB should be dragged down to WB Shooting at close Cowboy targets. Where is the happy medium. A good match director, pared with a person who is experienced at setting WB stages, knows how to give their audience an enjoyable WB match experience.

I'm not going to give up WB shooting. WB shooting is still is enjoyable. However, I m going to start voting, with our hard earned $'s, to attend matches that are enjoyable. Tired of spending thousands of $'s, traveling for days with hundreds of miles on the truck for hours and hours, the cost of fuel going up and not have an enjoyable time. There has to be a happy medium out there. Am also tired of listening to match directors state "this is a state/regional/national/world match. It's supposed to be challenging." My belief is a quote from the person who taught me how to shoot WB and coached me everywhere we met up. His statement was this: "Set a match so that the shooters out shoot the targets and not the targets out shoot the shooters." Kinda an encompassing statement when you think about it.  

This year in our travels, we met a whole gaggle of great new shooters to us. We look forward to seeing them on a range again. 

Perhaps all of those folks mentioned above that are in the know, can start to plan just a little differently to make matches just a little more enjoyable. 

Thanks for reading this probably somewhat boring saga and have a super weekend.

J.J.

[Flying W Ramrod]

1 hour ago, JJ said:

Mr. Moonshine -

I dropped back into the WB Forum to see if anybody had furthered along this thread. I suspected that if anyone was to make any comments that it might be you. By the way, I do not consider that to be a bad thing.

Before I get further along in this, I have to repeat a quote of a person that I met quite some time ago while shooting WB at some of the California State WB Matches at DDCT. This quote from him expresses my thoughts also: "I actually enjoy it more than CAS (I know - Sacrilege!)"

Your response on the first read through reads well enough. The second time through I had some questions. Your first statement I can agree with completely. Your second sentence is where the questions start. You state: "there is a ton of conversations taking place almost on a daily basis regarding great ideas for WB". What are these conversations? Our TG has never mentioned anything these conversations? Another of your comments draws questions to my mind. You state: "WB is growing at an unprecedented rate". Where is the data to back this up? The first part of the sentence that contains the last statement also states this: "TG's and WBROC are all talking and there will be several topics at Land Run and again at EOT 2026." Interestingly enough our TG has not stated anything like this. Neither have the TG's, that I spoke to, in the areas we traveled to shoot WB Matches this year. 

With one exception (and one match only) I have not noticed any type of significant growth in WB. From April to August our travels were directed to matches that also held WB Matches. Not side matches, but real 10 stage WB Matches. Let me tell you what I learned. With that one exception most of the WB targets were further out than I have ever shot. The shooters at the top will always be at the top. It's from the middle of the pack to the bottom is where the discontent is. At award ceremonies, match directors ask the crowd if they had a good time at their match. The guys at the top of the heap are mostly quiet. You can catch an attitude that some of those enjoyed the match. Those that didn't are quiet. It's too bad that match directors can't be sitting in the back, anonymously, and listen to what others have to say about the targets further back than last year, procedurals are up because of ridiculous scenarios and this misses they all had. Then listen to them state they aren't coming back to this again. This didn't happen at just one of the matches. 

For my own self been to matches that had targets 63' back (correct figure, because a person in the posse before day 1 took out his 100' tape measure and measured the distance). Been to matches, this year, where out of a 17 man posse, the Day 1 had 15 procedurals. Day 2 brought only 12 on the same stage. Was at a match with misses like this: This is after the Top 5 shooters, 10, 5, 9, 12, 16, 31, 33, 23, 31, 7, 6, 35, 25, 27, 21, 30, 37, 25, 28, 43, 28, 24, 42, 57 and 34. Listening to those guys at the lower half of this match did not express much of an interest of coming back next year. Another of the matches I attended went something like this. Before Day 1 started, some of the club officers realized that targets had been sent waaaay to far out. They dragged all of the targets on the bays 3' in. At the end of Day 1, upon advice for some shooters, these same club officers dragged all of the targets further in by 10'. On day 2, the closest target was 18' back. Not a respectful distance for a WB Match for that one set of targets. The others were further back. I could go on much more. I think everyone that has made it this far has an understanding what I am attempting to get across. 

Of all the WB matches we attended this summer, there was not a single WB match that had a clean shooter. Neither did the 38/45 rifle issue seem to be an issue to most anyone.

So where is this going? All this little person in the WB shooting community would like to see is some answers to statements above. 

By the way, the one exception to far out targets was a 10 stage match, where the targets were in even closer than I like to shoot WB. What those close in targets did was allow the fast shooters at the match (I was on a posse with some really, really fast 1911 shooters) to spray away. I learned that just like at the Tombstone Cowboy Match, no targets can be brought in close enough to where they will not be missed. There was not a single clean shooter at this match either. And No, I do not believe that WB should be dragged down to WB Shooting at close Cowboy targets. Where is the happy medium. A good match director, pared with a person who is experienced at setting WB stages, knows how to give their audience an enjoyable WB match experience.

I'm not going to give up WB shooting. WB shooting is still is enjoyable. However, I m going to start voting, with our hard earned $'s, to attend matches that are enjoyable. Tired of spending thousands of $'s, traveling for days with hundreds of miles on the truck for hours and hours, the cost of fuel going up and not have an enjoyable time. There has to be a happy medium out there. Am also tired of listening to match directors state "this is a state/regional/national/world match. It's supposed to be challenging." My belief is a quote from the person who taught me how to shoot WB and coached me everywhere we met up. His statement was this: "Set a match so that the shooters out shoot the targets and not the targets out shoot the shooters." Kinda an encompassing statement when you think about it.  

This year in our travels, we met a whole gaggle of great new shooters to us. We look forward to seeing them on a range again. 

Perhaps all of those folks mentioned above that are in the know, can start to plan just a little differently to make matches just a little more enjoyable. 

Thanks for reading this probably somewhat boring saga and have a super weekend.

J.J.

JJ, 

I've handed out Clean Match pins at 7 of our last 8 matches. Sunday will be number 9.

No, I haven't gotten one, but the folks who did were ecstatic. First, to clean, second to get a, hand designed, hand made, pin.

Last year, at Bordertown, there were 11 clean shooters in WB.

It can happen. Well, not to me but, it can. 😄

 

[El Chapo]

I really don't know why there is so much focus on power factor and further away targets to try to distinguish this from cowboy.  Let us move with loaded 1911s and target placement can be made so much more interesting and complex.  This is literally the only handgun shooting sport that I know of where loaded movement isn't allowed.  Once that rule is relaxed, the sky is the limit.  Nobody should care about rifle caliber nor target distance when there is movement.  And for the record, I'm totally fine with higher power factor and I see no problem with raising the .45 power factor to 165 or even 175 as 150 is a joke, too, if that is to be our focus.

[Tracker Jack]

On 9/26/2025 at 6:55 PM, JJ said:

Mr. Moonshine -

I dropped back into the WB Forum to see if anybody had furthered along this thread. I suspected that if anyone was to make any comments that it might be you. By the way, I do not consider that to be a bad thing.

Before I get further along in this, I have to repeat a quote of a person that I met quite some time ago while shooting WB at some of the California State WB Matches at DDCT. This quote from him expresses my thoughts also: "I actually enjoy it more than CAS (I know - Sacrilege!)"

Your response on the first read through reads well enough. The second time through I had some questions. Your first statement I can agree with completely. Your second sentence is where the questions start. You state: "there is a ton of conversations taking place almost on a daily basis regarding great ideas for WB". What are these conversations? Our TG has never mentioned anything these conversations? Another of your comments draws questions to my mind. You state: "WB is growing at an unprecedented rate". Where is the data to back this up? The first part of the sentence that contains the last statement also states this: "TG's and WBROC are all talking and there will be several topics at Land Run and again at EOT 2026." Interestingly enough our TG has not stated anything like this. Neither have the TG's, that I spoke to, in the areas we traveled to shoot WB Matches this year. 

With one exception (and one match only) I have not noticed any type of significant growth in WB. From April to August our travels were directed to matches that also held WB Matches. Not side matches, but real 10 stage WB Matches. Let me tell you what I learned. With that one exception most of the WB targets were further out than I have ever shot. The shooters at the top will always be at the top. It's from the middle of the pack to the bottom is where the discontent is. At award ceremonies, match directors ask the crowd if they had a good time at their match. The guys at the top of the heap are mostly quiet. You can catch an attitude that some of those enjoyed the match. Those that didn't are quiet. It's too bad that match directors can't be sitting in the back, anonymously, and listen to what others have to say about the targets further back than last year, procedurals are up because of ridiculous scenarios and this misses they all had. Then listen to them state they aren't coming back to this again. This didn't happen at just one of the matches. 

For my own self been to matches that had targets 63' back (correct figure, because a person in the posse before day 1 took out his 100' tape measure and measured the distance). Been to matches, this year, where out of a 17 man posse, the Day 1 had 15 procedurals. Day 2 brought only 12 on the same stage. Was at a match with misses like this: This is after the Top 5 shooters, 10, 5, 9, 12, 16, 31, 33, 23, 31, 7, 6, 35, 25, 27, 21, 30, 37, 25, 28, 43, 28, 24, 42, 57 and 34. Listening to those guys at the lower half of this match did not express much of an interest of coming back next year. Another of the matches I attended went something like this. Before Day 1 started, some of the club officers realized that targets had been sent waaaay to far out. They dragged all of the targets on the bays 3' in. At the end of Day 1, upon advice for some shooters, these same club officers dragged all of the targets further in by 10'. On day 2, the closest target was 18' back. Not a respectful distance for a WB Match for that one set of targets. The others were further back. I could go on much more. I think everyone that has made it this far has an understanding what I am attempting to get across. 

Of all the WB matches we attended this summer, there was not a single WB match that had a clean shooter. Neither did the 38/45 rifle issue seem to be an issue to most anyone.

So where is this going? All this little person in the WB shooting community would like to see is some answers to statements above. 

By the way, the one exception to far out targets was a 10 stage match, where the targets were in even closer than I like to shoot WB. What those close in targets did was allow the fast shooters at the match (I was on a posse with some really, really fast 1911 shooters) to spray away. I learned that just like at the Tombstone Cowboy Match, no targets can be brought in close enough to where they will not be missed. There was not a single clean shooter at this match either. And No, I do not believe that WB should be dragged down to WB Shooting at close Cowboy targets. Where is the happy medium. A good match director, pared with a person who is experienced at setting WB stages, knows how to give their audience an enjoyable WB match experience.

I'm not going to give up WB shooting. WB shooting is still is enjoyable. However, I m going to start voting, with our hard earned $'s, to attend matches that are enjoyable. Tired of spending thousands of $'s, traveling for days with hundreds of miles on the truck for hours and hours, the cost of fuel going up and not have an enjoyable time. There has to be a happy medium out there. Am also tired of listening to match directors state "this is a state/regional/national/world match. It's supposed to be challenging." My belief is a quote from the person who taught me how to shoot WB and coached me everywhere we met up. His statement was this: "Set a match so that the shooters out shoot the targets and not the targets out shoot the shooters." Kinda an encompassing statement when you think about it.  

This year in our travels, we met a whole gaggle of great new shooters to us. We look forward to seeing them on a range again. 

Perhaps all of those folks mentioned above that are in the know, can start to plan just a little differently to make matches just a little more enjoyable. 

Thanks for reading this probably somewhat boring saga and have a super weekend.

J.J.

I don't know where you are shooting, but around here WB is growing for the first time in almost 15 years. The changes that Misty and her crew have put into effect have reenergized shooter interest. Most feel that it i becoming more friendly to the Cowboy shooters of SASS. I have seen every club that I attend have an increase in Wild Bunch shooters, and an increase in the number of Wild Bunch matches available.

I just attended a Regional Wild Bunch match. They had 33 shooters competing, where in years past they held Wild Bunch match as a side match for the Regional and had about 15 to 20 shooters. I would agree with CC in that is a great increase in numbers. Wild Bunch has their own TG's and ROC. Are you sure you are talking to the correct TG. Most clubs have separate TG's for WB and CAS.

Lets give this time to develop. It has been far too long since shooters have felt that SASS cares about how Wild Bunch is run and viewed.

I am excited enough about things to have become an Instructor for Wild Bunch RO classes.

[CC Moonshine]

On 9/26/2025 at 7:55 PM, JJ said:

Mr. Moonshine -

I dropped back into the WB Forum to see if anybody had furthered along this thread. I suspected that if anyone was to make any comments that it might be you. By the way, I do not consider that to be a bad thing.

Before I get further along in this, I have to repeat a quote of a person that I met quite some time ago while shooting WB at some of the California State WB Matches at DDCT. This quote from him expresses my thoughts also: "I actually enjoy it more than CAS (I know - Sacrilege!)"

Your response on the first read through reads well enough. The second time through I had some questions. Your first statement I can agree with completely. Your second sentence is where the questions start. You state: "there is a ton of conversations taking place almost on a daily basis regarding great ideas for WB". What are these conversations? Our TG has never mentioned anything these conversations? Another of your comments draws questions to my mind. You state: "WB is growing at an unprecedented rate". Where is the data to back this up? The first part of the sentence that contains the last statement also states this: "TG's and WBROC are all talking and there will be several topics at Land Run and again at EOT 2026." Interestingly enough our TG has not stated anything like this. Neither have the TG's, that I spoke to, in the areas we traveled to shoot WB Matches this year. 

With one exception (and one match only) I have not noticed any type of significant growth in WB. From April to August our travels were directed to matches that also held WB Matches. Not side matches, but real 10 stage WB Matches. Let me tell you what I learned. With that one exception most of the WB targets were further out than I have ever shot. The shooters at the top will always be at the top. It's from the middle of the pack to the bottom is where the discontent is. At award ceremonies, match directors ask the crowd if they had a good time at their match. The guys at the top of the heap are mostly quiet. You can catch an attitude that some of those enjoyed the match. Those that didn't are quiet. It's too bad that match directors can't be sitting in the back, anonymously, and listen to what others have to say about the targets further back than last year, procedurals are up because of ridiculous scenarios and this misses they all had. Then listen to them state they aren't coming back to this again. This didn't happen at just one of the matches. 

For my own self been to matches that had targets 63' back (correct figure, because a person in the posse before day 1 took out his 100' tape measure and measured the distance). Been to matches, this year, where out of a 17 man posse, the Day 1 had 15 procedurals. Day 2 brought only 12 on the same stage. Was at a match with misses like this: This is after the Top 5 shooters, 10, 5, 9, 12, 16, 31, 33, 23, 31, 7, 6, 35, 25, 27, 21, 30, 37, 25, 28, 43, 28, 24, 42, 57 and 34. Listening to those guys at the lower half of this match did not express much of an interest of coming back next year. Another of the matches I attended went something like this. Before Day 1 started, some of the club officers realized that targets had been sent waaaay to far out. They dragged all of the targets on the bays 3' in. At the end of Day 1, upon advice for some shooters, these same club officers dragged all of the targets further in by 10'. On day 2, the closest target was 18' back. Not a respectful distance for a WB Match for that one set of targets. The others were further back. I could go on much more. I think everyone that has made it this far has an understanding what I am attempting to get across. 

Of all the WB matches we attended this summer, there was not a single WB match that had a clean shooter. Neither did the 38/45 rifle issue seem to be an issue to most anyone.

So where is this going? All this little person in the WB shooting community would like to see is some answers to statements above. 

By the way, the one exception to far out targets was a 10 stage match, where the targets were in even closer than I like to shoot WB. What those close in targets did was allow the fast shooters at the match (I was on a posse with some really, really fast 1911 shooters) to spray away. I learned that just like at the Tombstone Cowboy Match, no targets can be brought in close enough to where they will not be missed. There was not a single clean shooter at this match either. And No, I do not believe that WB should be dragged down to WB Shooting at close Cowboy targets. Where is the happy medium. A good match director, pared with a person who is experienced at setting WB stages, knows how to give their audience an enjoyable WB match experience.

I'm not going to give up WB shooting. WB shooting is still is enjoyable. However, I m going to start voting, with our hard earned $'s, to attend matches that are enjoyable. Tired of spending thousands of $'s, traveling for days with hundreds of miles on the truck for hours and hours, the cost of fuel going up and not have an enjoyable time. There has to be a happy medium out there. Am also tired of listening to match directors state "this is a state/regional/national/world match. It's supposed to be challenging." My belief is a quote from the person who taught me how to shoot WB and coached me everywhere we met up. His statement was this: "Set a match so that the shooters out shoot the targets and not the targets out shoot the shooters." Kinda an encompassing statement when you think about it.  

This year in our travels, we met a whole gaggle of great new shooters to us. We look forward to seeing them on a range again. 

Perhaps all of those folks mentioned above that are in the know, can start to plan just a little differently to make matches just a little more enjoyable. 

Thanks for reading this probably somewhat boring saga and have a super weekend.

J.J.

Hi JJ,

I will have to make this a short reply as we have a ton to do before we head to Land Run this week.

When SASS made changes to the structure of WB a couple years ago there were only 20-24 clubs world wide having true WB matches. Now there are over 50 (I'm pretty sure it's actually more then 60+ and growing) but lets say 50. A 100% growth rate is a perfect example of WB heading in the right direction. 

I know SASS, other Board members, myself and other long time match directors talk and have had a large number of emails, texts, phone conversations, and in person conversations with clubs wanting to get rolling with WB, & CASS shooters interested in WB. 

As for match designs, or matches where people don't shoot clean or the match is extremely tough. All I can say is that we hope Match Directors listen to their customers and adjust to the matches that people want to attend. This is an age old issue in every shooting sport, if it's not fun, people don't come back. SASS provides recommendations but that is the extent of it, each match director can decide for themselves. I see clubs in both CAS and WB that work hard to create an exciting yet cleanable match, that their customers don't leave feeling defeated or like they just fought a death match and they have great numbers and returning customers. The clubs that don't create a fun experience, well they might need to travel  and see some of the clubs that are succeeding and why.

This isn't rocket science, but yet there is a science to it. Produce a fun match that even a new shooter will leave feeling that they did ok. It don't have to be boring but it shouldn't be hard. My recommendation to all match directors (after 20+ years of writing stages and owning a club) 

Have one hard element per stage:

• High round count but easy sweeps and target distances
• Harder sweep
• Heavy movement / gun transition
• Farther target distance or spread

But not more then one hard element per stage. Average the times on the stages to be close to the same. Make it to where 20% can (with slight effort) shoot it clean. A great MD will want to bask in the glory of seeing a lot of smiling faces at the end of the match. Customers come back if and only if they enjoyed it.

Have a super week everyone,

CC

[Jim Miller]

To all WB shooters.

Please talk to you TG's and let them know your thoughts on the future of WB. It is important that SASS hears your voices through your TG"s.

Jim Miller

[JJ]

Hello Mr. Miller -

As I read your short note here on this wire, can only wonder what has prompted this one liner?

Is SASS WB ready to sent to the slaughter house and why the sense of urgency that now is the time for all of us WB shooters express our concerns to SASS through our TG’s?

The bigger concern with your statement is why all the secrecy? There has to be a reason why this was generated. . . . . 

Why not place your best foot forward, spit out your reasons for this and dispense with the suspense?? 

J.J.

[Flying W Ramrod]

5 hours ago, JJ said:

Hello Mr. Miller -

As I read your short note here on this wire, can only wonder what has prompted this one liner?

Is SASS WB ready to sent to the slaughter house and why the sense of urgency that now is the time for all of us WB shooters express our concerns to SASS through our TG’s?

The bigger concern with your statement is why all the secrecy? There has to be a reason why this was generated. . . . . 

Why not place your best foot forward, spit out your reasons for this and dispense with the suspense?? 

J.J.

Because the WB TG's are the ones who decide what rule changes/clarifications are to be introduced.  SASS has asked that the TG's take ownership of the "survey" and, after receiving input from the shooters, submit changes and clarifications to SASS HQ for adoption.

Nothing nefarious going on, just making sure the TG's, some are new, understand their duties and who does what.

 

[Jim Miller]

HI JJ et al,

Flying Ramrod got it right in his post.

As with a lot of these posts they tend to wander. Please may I refer you back to my original post that started this discussion. I, as a TG can only represent the membership within my club. With the help of Wooden Nichols and the 4 Corners Regional meeting we expanded the survey. So far, the results as posted represent 55 WB shooters. I have only seen one further set of results to the survey posted.  

The survey only reflects the issues within my club. It can be used as a template or completely revamped it is up to your TG as to how they represent your club members. 

Do you have a WBTG?     Have you spoken to them?

This fall, the WBTG's are supposed to vote on members concerns/issues so they need to know what they are. Hence my one liner post.

As always, from my end of the rope.

Jim

Edited yesterday at 02:43 PM by Jim Miller