Kid Rich

I saw one young man shoot standard 1911 etc. for WB I don't recall where. He did just fine. kR

The problem with total time is what do you do with a stage DQ? There is no way to deal with a SDQ in total time so it in essence becomes a Match DQ. And that is not fair. Stage point scoring translates stage time in to points and the shooter gets 0 points for a SDQ. Thus they stay competitive even with a SDQ. Actually, the SASS recommended SDQ for total time - 5 seconds per available miss on the stage plus 30 seconds works really well in my experience. I agree. kR

Just to be clear this includes warmup? This sounds a little low for 16 stages. kR

Yep kR

Ok thanks. kR

35-40 per stage? kR

OK, thanks. kD

I would like to know because I am leaving in a week and traveling until mid July and need to have enough ammo made up for matches every weekend til then, Most of them are posted and its not too hard to add a small amount for margin of error. If I have to add a huge amount it can add a large amount of weight. Right now I'm probably a little over 600 lbs for ammo. kR

Anybody know round count for EOT WB including warmup? kR

You can shoot BP in your Wild Bunch guns! I do. kR

Make it interesting, let em shoot BP in their guns. ;D kR

Way to go J Frank. kR

Would the call be the same if the black targets were pistol and the white targets were rifle? kR

If that's the case it would be a p and 10 misses. kR

I loaded 100 rounds of acp 230g bullets and OE BP. Went to the range yesterday and shot 70 rounds thru my 1911. No failures of any kind, I let it set until the barrel cooled a little and took it apart. The fouling in the chamber and barrel was soft and wiped off easily. I didn't do the last 30 rounds because it was obvious the fouling was staying soft and would not create a problem. This is in AZ with very low humidity. Clean up was soap and water and done in 5 minutes. kR

Sounds good. As I said I don't know if TB is temp sensitive or not but we did our testing at about the time of WR in AZ. She has been shooting the TB loads in monthly matches to use it up. She really likes the Clays and wants to start using it for her Marlins. I did use some of my BP loads in a WB match, probably the most fun I've had shooting WB since I started. The look on the MD's face was priceless. He was running the timer and is also a BP shooter in SASS. I will run her TB loads through the Chronograph again on a warm day and see what we come up with. Thanks for letting me know what you came up with. kR

I don't remember how full the case was. I also don't know if the TB is temperature sensitive. Shirttail did the loading but was not satisfied with the load, she went to Clays and really likes the load. I know at one point she used 200 g bullets but wasn't satisfied with those either. She does use TB in her 32 Mags about 3/4 full as she can see the powder.

I agree its not the SASS wire, GJ made an assumption that I would try to compete with BP in a 1911 then made the statement that it was dumb. Well, that was not the intent of my post. I may try it if I can get the right powder and lube combo going and can meet the power factor. My intent of the experiment was to see if a stock 1911 can run with BP. I have been told that you have to use reduced power springs. This does not appear to be the case. My brass was landing 5'-6' away from me. Certainly well within the distance that it should. I also do not use substitutes for my BP loads as I do not like what some of them will do to metal. Anyway I know GJ and You and did not take it as a personal attack. I have run BP loads in my rifle in WB. Regards kR

I shoot what I like because I enjoy it not for accolades from someone else. I shoot Frontier Cartridge in SASS because quite frankly I find smokeless SASS shooting to be boring. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it if you enjoy it. Whatever floats your boat. I'm not a gamer in SASS or in WB. Pardon me if I haven't taken the time to go back thru six years of posts to see if I was being redundant. I was of the opinion that a person could express their opinions or results of what they found to be interesting if they felt like it. As far as whether it is "dumb" to compete with BP rounds in a 1911 that is an opinion. Not one that I agree with but I won't call it "dumb". No matter what powder is used in a 1911 at some point it will foul out to the point it will stop feeding. No I wasn't looking for congratulations. My comment about no lead in the barrel was made because I used no lube and hard cast bullets which most probably did not obturate and should have allowed enough blow by to lead the barrel. kR

I think you missed the point. If you reread my post you will see that I stated that I didn't have the proper powder as in the proper BP. I used Schutzen just to see if it would cycle with standard springs. I also stated that I didn't have the proper bullets as in no lube. They should be softer and be lubed with a BP compatible lube. When I get some Olde Eynsford I will load some more as the fouling with that powder will stay moist and not foul the chamber. I will also cast softer bullets and use a BP compatible lube. My point was that the 1911 will cycle just fine with BP with no modifications to the springs. As far as using TB my wife was using 4.7 and was NOT meeting the power factor so she went to Clays. If you are using 4.3 and 230's I think you should run your loads over a Chronograph to see if you are even close to 150 pf. kR

Loaded some BP rounds for my 1911. Didn't change springs. It ran 20+ rounds before the chamber got fouled enough to not chamber the rounds properly. Ejected just fine. I didn't have the powder I wanted or proper BP bullets still had no lead in barrel. This 1911 has a tight chamber and is very particular about the ammo used in it. I think it will work fine. kR

Hey Sammy, wasn't that dusty, wasn't that hot. Certainly cooler than AZ. :P kR

Try shootingchrony.com I've been using one for 20+ years never had a problem. kR

I am guessing that it had to do with the spam that was happening. They probably shut the whole thing down till they corrected the problem. kR

Sounds to me like you kicked Miss Allies cat. kR