Jorge

Overloaded rounds-Shotgun-loading more rounds than stage requires, or more than 6, whichever is less. Glossary Failure to adhere to loading and unloading procedures. P 29. SDQ He loaded more than 2 shotgun rounds, that the stage called for. Firearm Cleared-no live or empty case in or on the chamber, magazine, or carrier. Glossary range operations-Shotgun will be CLEARED and discarded, etc, and Shotgun is safe to leave the shooter's hands EMPTY. Page 19 The shooter was not going to use the shotgun later, so it was not being re-staged for further use. So, I would say Stage DQ, perhaps two, which would be MDQ.

I posed the question in our WBAS RO area. I hope it is viewed favorably.

Boggus, why didn't you think of that? you would be rolling in the dough from the royalties.

Looks like an idea long overdue. Since it is not specifically allowed, let's get an official ruling and see if it can be legal.

Perhaps I'll post on the Cowboy wire too, but there was a big discussion abut shadow shooting as you may have seen Dry firing is not permitted already. I would propose that any Shadow Shooting with loaded firearms would be considered unsafe gun handling, and would be penalized. I would propose that Shadow shooting at the loading table with an unloaded firearm would not be allowed, as there is really not room for such activities. Inspection of the firearms, loaded or unloaded would be allowed, of course. I would further propose that shadow shooting prior to the start of a stage, after the firearms have been staged, other than a brief walk through by the shooter, would not be allowed, and repeated episodes might be considered Spirit of the Game, since it delays all of the shooters behind, and even the upcoming posses especially in a big match, where time is critical. What duo you think of these ideas?

Boggus, have you seen one?

I see that it is dovetailed into a piece of metal, but what is the "line" lot the rear of the front sight?

It may depend on how much weight it adds to the overall 1911. Looks like it might be acceptable for Modern.

are you getting a good response? Should be a fun shoot.

Is the slide and barrel ported? Doesn't seem to be a one piece slide, as the front sight is separate from the rear of the slide. Interesting though

I stand corrected. I was thinking of the featherweight, I guess

Why would you want to use a Winchester 25? The magazine capacity is limited. 97"s and 12's are available, as far as slide-action shotguns are concerned..

Jodi, When I try the link, it indicates that the domain has expired. Is there another way to get to the site? If you would, email a copy of the entry. Don Jorge

Why are there Wild Bunch related postings on the regular SASS Cowboy Wire, when they may be better served here, on the Wild Bunch Wire? Is this area too difficult to get to? Should the two wires just be combined in some way, so one would not have to navigate to two different forums (requiring two different log-on systems)? Just curious.

Let's just cut to the chase and petition to have clarification of the front and rear sights allowable to a "Traditional" 1911, and indicate that any "colored dot" may be blacked out and be legal. This could be proposed at the Land Run Wild Bunch TG meeting.

Well, I have been wrong before. I will say that the two rear sights listed are rather specific sights, and would be different than a more modern combat rear sight perhaps. Nothing so specific is noted for the front sight for the Traditional 1911. I don't think a post with a gold dot would be allowed, for example. I agree that simply blacking out white dots is not a big deal, and the sights may not enhance the shooter's ability. Still, certain sight requirements have been constant, for traditional at least.

I agree with Blastin Brad. I looked over several older Wild Bunch Handbooks, and nowhere did it list anything but military sights, blade front and rear, for Traditional Category 1911. For Modern 1911, no fiberoptic, etc, and the white dots could be blacked out, or be various colors, I suppose. I have never heard that other (bigger?) sights could be used in Traditional Category for the 1911. Perhaps someone was lenient. Show me the citation indicating otherwise, if you would.

This was a very nice Wild Bunch match with lots of shooting and good Wild Bunch distances. Sarsaparilla Groz wrote some fine stages. The venue is tremendous, Powder Creek Shooting Park. We had a Great posse and everyone helped out, making for an efficient, smooth match.

I agree. Don Jorge

It has been a Great Range for a Wild Bunch Match. Looking forward to it!

Is there any information about the TG meeting at the 4 Corner's Regional ?

I suppose that any sport or activity done as an amateur, not for pay, Professional, could be called entertainment then. Yet I would wager that many who do any particular "sport," take it more seriously than just for the entertainment value. Now the costume contests might be considered entertainment. That would be another thread, indeed The fireworks that you often have with the Big Matches are Entertainment. As far as having a match, really at any level, I would think that the successful matches are well thought out so they are perceived as a fair challenge for the competitors, as you allude to. A match Director wants the event to be well regarded both for reputation and for the returning business (Dollars). It does take money to have good matches, no doubt. The matches that I have attended at Paradise Pass have been for the most part fair, reasonable matches, to you and your Match Directors credit. But I have never gone to a match to be entertained.

FJT had some good comments in the WB-EOT thread. I always expected that State level and above, certainly National or EOT matches to be challenging. In the past, the ones that I have competed in, they had their challenges, some more than others. After most "Big" Wild Bunch matches, I am mentally fatigued. I, and I have heard others say, that Wild Bunch is more fatiguing and difficult that Cowboy Action, and that the latter seem easier after a Wild Bunch match. More targets, more difficult targets, more control needed for the firearms due to the Power factor, more brass to retrieve, and more movement on tough stages have made it more challenging. Then you add in more equipment/ammo failures and often more penalties to add to the situation. Challenges abound. Perhaps for some, these aspects are too daunting; some want to be entertained with less of the above. It will be interesting to see how having a challenging shooting sport can mesh with having an entertaining shooting sport.

GJ, Thanks for the information. I thought about the magazine capacity, but wondered if I had forgotten other limitations. Have a god day. Don Jorge

Beside magazine capacity, what are reasons not to use a Model 12 Featherweight or Model 25 for Wild Bunch?