Jorge

FJT had some good comments in the WB-EOT thread. I always expected that State level and above, certainly National or EOT matches to be challenging. In the past, the ones that I have competed in, they had their challenges, some more than others. After most "Big" Wild Bunch matches, I am mentally fatigued. I, and I have heard others say, that Wild Bunch is more fatiguing and difficult that Cowboy Action, and that the latter seem easier after a Wild Bunch match. More targets, more difficult targets, more control needed for the firearms due to the Power factor, more brass to retrieve, and more movement on tough stages have made it more challenging. Then you add in more equipment/ammo failures and often more penalties to add to the situation. Challenges abound. Perhaps for some, these aspects are too daunting; some want to be entertained with less of the above. It will be interesting to see how having a challenging shooting sport can mesh with having an entertaining shooting sport.

GJ, Thanks for the information. I thought about the magazine capacity, but wondered if I had forgotten other limitations. Have a god day. Don Jorge

Beside magazine capacity, what are reasons not to use a Model 12 Featherweight or Model 25 for Wild Bunch?

Many complained when the targets were small and the distances greater than "Cowboy," and there were a lot of misses. What did they think of a match with so many SDQ's? Sounded like an excessive number, given the Competition level at EOT.

Sounds like a difficult match. What were some other comments from other shooters?

How was the match? Any comments about it?

Yes! The Firing Pin from Bogus Deal is the best!

Either belt. As long as they conform to SASS WB Rules.

Just signed up for the Wild Bunch Match! Should be a Great match.

Black Sharpie Make sure the sights are in line with the rules for traditional. even with the dots blacked out. May need different sights.

So, Less than ten yards is UNSAFE, according to manufacturers. So, basically ALL CAS matches and many WBAS matches are unsafe. Did they comment on target size, distance from the ground and support mechanism, or was this just a blanket statement to "cover?" Was it jacketed, lead, or all bullets? The real question is at what rifle and pistol distances, with appropriate targets, would people NOT return to shoot a match? I have witnessed people not returning to a venue due to targets (small) and distance (beyond even former guidelines).

I did not want to hijack FJT's thread, but he and CN Double bring up a good topic. How close is too close for Wild Bunch? In a ten stage match, how many could be "close" for fun and variety. To ask the question, what distances would be acceptable to our Wild Bunch Shooters?

There is still a power factor for rifles; it is 60, as stated in the rules. There is also the 1911 power factor, 150. Power Factor could still be checked at State and above matches, especially with the newer, more easily set up chronographs. At the Club level, one would not need to meet power factor, whatever it might be, in order to "get shooters interested." But should they go to a "Big" match, ammo might have to be changed. Cowboy Action was always Revolver(s), shotgun and RIFLE. Wild bunch Action Shooting should continue to be 1911, shotgun, and RIFLE. As in CAS, the rifle shooting may be less difference from shooter to shooter, it is still important with the shooting as well as the transitions.

Many seemed to have loaded the .45 acp for a power factor closer to 160, to ensure making the cut. Not unreasonable for the power factor to be 150-160 for the .45 For the rifle, it would be easy to get to a PF of 120 with a 158 gr bullet and many of the common powders used for the .38 special, according to the loading manuals that I have looked at. Going to a .38 +P or even a .357, which is the chamber anyway, may require a different powder, and I would bet that some would use that (getting another powder) to PREVENT them from shooting WB. In any case, I am in favor of a higher (than 60) PF for the rifle, and continuing the 150 minimum for the 1911, .45 acp. And, I would chrono at State and above matches.

I'll check on the mechanism. I presume that you mean the cartridge cutoff (shell stop)?

Garrison Joe, Thanks, I doo all of that. My issue is that the shells do not always clear the magazine onto the carrier. I have cleaned the magazine tube. It "seems" that a heavier loaded shell (> 7/8 oz) seemed to have more momentum to clear the mag tube and get onto the carrier. Of course, it seems intermittent. User error is possible, but this is even with a firm pump for the first round.

hey Bogus, Thanks for hijacking the thread! I have bought two of your firing pins though. However, as noted in the OP, I was inquiring about the RELOADING components for shotgun shells, not the parts for the Model 12. The parts in the '12 may come next, however

It may seem that some Model 12's prefer a certain shell to function/cycle well. Hull and shot weight being two factors. One of mine may work better with a 1 1/8 oz. shot load. What set of components seem to work well for successful reloading in order to enhance good operation of the Model 12. Thanks.

Interesting reading.

The minimum power factor for rifles in SASS Wild Bunch is 60. The minimum power factor for .45 acp is 150.

For the Illinois State Wild Bunch Match this last July, we gave Buckles to the Overall State Champions (Male and Lady) and a Buckle for each Category State Champion. The Category State winners also received Conchos. There were three Plaques for top three in each category. The Buckles seemed to be well received.

I have had this happen as well. I thought that it might be that lighter load shells, including dummies were more problematic than say 1-1 1/8 loads. Perhaps used shells were worse too. I'll have to experiment. Might have to get new carrier-flag springs though

Thanks for the information. Seems like too complex a problem for casual shooting.

FREE ICE CREAM? WHO could pass that up? This is going to be a Great Match with NICE Awards.

Are many of these used for the side matches? Where do you get ammo or components, namely brass, bullets, dies, should you reload them? One see some .30 Remington's on GB, but don't know about finding ammo or brass.