El Chapo

My Dawson 1911 basepads that I use regularly in USPSA are aluminum, so if that's the concern, that could easily be alleviated. Tripp Cobramags can be ordered with aluminum basepads already installed. If the issue is plastic, the solution to that is simple and already available, and already in use by people in every other shooting sport where 1911s are popular.

You should also show up to a match and I'll show you how to shoot wild bunch, without my modern magazines.

It's a totally legitimate question and suggestion, don't be discouraged. But yeah, anytime you tell people that certain ancient standards should be modernized, it's like you kicked the hornet's nest. with many of these people. This isn't the first time or context where you will see this sort of response. Just search "power factor" or "classic" or "open category" around here and read what resulted when there were minor changes to the rules that changed nothing for the people who were already shooting WB.

Because somehow my opinion would be better than yours if I met your preconceived standard? You're the one hurling insults at someone who dares have a different opinion than you.

That's a very productive comment that really leads the sport forward. That attitude and the unwillingness to change is exactly why there were 320 shooters at a 1911 match just a few miles away from EoT who were not there, even though the match was just a few days after it ended. It is astonishing to me how critical WB shooters are about simple changes to the game that'd make it so much more accessible and enjoyable to others. Making people buy another set of magazines is pointless and accomplishing nothing. What's it to you? Show up to a match and I'll show you how to shoot wild bunch.

Been working on it for years. Unfortunately our game has a LOT of people who have been doing it for a long time who want to leave things as they are. Just search the forum for how angry people were when magazines went from 5 to 7, it was a disaster just like this thread. It's funny you ask that, because the last time I shot Wild Bunch, one of our favorite things to talk about in camp was how stupid (several of) the rules are. It was like a support group. But since you're a SASS member, I'm sure you already know, I am there for the people. It's a good time. The magazine rule is dumb and should have changed a long time ago. Virtually nobody, except the most dedicated purists, shoot 1911s with welded base magazines. The world moved on decades ago.

I expect that you will also be using paper shotgun shells, because there were no plastic ones in 1913. I assume also that your rifle isn't a .38 Special, .357 Magnum, or .45 Colt because there was no such thing as a lever action rifle in any of those cartridges then, either. Common sense should have prevailed a long time ago on the magazines, just like it did for these things.

Right, they do that in wild bunch because we have no other options. Virtually everyone shooting 1911s anywhere else is using a mag with an actual basepad. The Mernicle leather pads are unfortunately not 1/4" thick. I made some of my own, and they aren't either. I wish I had a source for leather that thick, even the full 1/4" feels like it'd be an advantage.

Who is everyone else? Nobody but the most dedicated purists and Wild Bunch shooters are using welded baseplate magazines.

I don't either, but I really wish they would. I'd even be glad to put a leather basepad on top of the plastic for the look. It's just annoying not to have something to seat a mag in a game with reloads on the clock.

I wish. I absolutely hate the mags I have to use for Wild Bunch, but I doubt we'll see that change. I don't even miss my FO front sight or even my magwell as much as I miss my basepads.

That's what I use. I modified the design to get a full firing grip when drawing and sent back the holster you have.

Hundos are absolutely still made, you just have to put in an email notification and wait for them to come in stock. A friend of mine has the Armanov (I think) and if it's the one he has, that thing is a masterpiece, just very expensive.

The Shock Bottle Hundo is what you want for that. Or your barrel.

I don't even think we should be allowing large birdshot. There's no reason and it's more danger because it retains more energy. I don't see how or why that turns into some sort of argument; you're simply reading something that isn't there.

I wanted to know if I was crazy so I asked ChatGPT. Excluding buckshot and non-toxic shot, somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of all shotshells sold are 7 1/2 or smaller. I think 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 shells is pretty uncommon. 4 and 6 are not common or widely used outside of hunting. They're entirely banned from clay target fields. That they can be purchased at Wal-Mart doesn't tell me anything. I can buy and load #4 shot at Sportsman's any day of the week. It's never sold out because nobody wants it. If you don't consider that uncommon, choose your own word to describe it. There is not a widespread use for large, lead birdshot other than hunting of upland game large enough to require it, which I do not do, because I am a shooter, not a hunter.

I was responding to the question asked. The maximum size shot allowed on a trap or skeet range is 7 1/2, so I do not keep or load anything bigger than that. Bigger shot, whether it's #6 or #4, is utterly unnecessary and the only reason I can think of that the rules even allow shot that large is that in the 1980s, people used those sizes for duck hunting and so they probably were nowhere near as uncommon as they are today.

I wouldn't be using either one. Clay ranges are limited to 7 1/2 so I don't keep any shot bigger than that and I usually just use #8.

If it was up to me, we'd run a hot range all the time and that wouldn't make me uncomfortable at all. Rules are rules, and if there was a violation of the rules, a penalty should apply. But pretending like we are doing anything to increase safety by dinging the guy for what we saw here isn't adding anything.

What's the safety issue? If it left his hand loaded it's a SDQ anyway. Are we really that worried about an empty gun?

If there's any in the top 10 with 150 pf rifles, the entire argument is over. That said, I'll see this year. I don't have a big rifle so I'll be shooting my .38.

The real question ought to be who is using #4 at a CAS match? That is unnecessary for sure. Maybe it was written in the lead era and people wanted to use their duck ammo?

What was the basis for that call?

Didn't seem to help anyone at EoT. We'll see with more match data.

If you run a slower powder, you may just have to bump up the load a bit to get enough slide speed. Where you're at isn't the worst choice, but W231 is better suited to 9mm powder capacity than a huge, low pressure case.