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Power factor for pistol is, and always was, 150. Power factor for Wild Bunch Rifle is 60 Power factor for Classic Wild Bunch Rifle is 150 The PF for Pistols was never changed. If a club decides to no longer offer WB because of the 150 PF for Classic Rifle, they need to acknowledge the PF for ALL Pistols, forever, has been 150. Nothing new here. Figure some other reason to not allow WB.

Great idea. Get a bay, that's not being used, turn it into check bay. Shooters come off the previous bay, check in at test bay, weigh, check safeties, do PF test, move on. I like it. Now, to get the Powers That Be, involved. Thanks for the ideas.

How many competitors and, knowing how WB at WR/EOT/Landrun is held, any way to do that at these matches? And, I guess you'd have to hope the ammo brought for testing is the same used during the match. Remember there's a reason for the smoke factor. I'd like to see PF testing and, at the same time and bay, weight and safety checks. Especially the safety checks. Match Directors are setting themselves up for liability by not ensuring the safeties are functioning properly. i.e. Your Honor, why did they assume the safeties were functional.

How many bays? How many volunteers? When do they test? Want to volunteer to help, or just bitch

There was a bay where the equipment was set up for anyone to test their loads. That was the day before WB started. Some folks took advantage of the opportunity, some didn't. It's impractical to check 150+ shooters ammo, at five rounds each, and still complete the match. There is no more MDQ for scoring purposes so, once challenged and found lacking, it's a SDQ for any stage, after that, the ammo is used, and a MDQ for the second stage used.

Wondering why it has never been required to test functionality of this. Grip and Thumb have been the only required testing.

The disconnector aka "John Wayne" safety, is a silly thing to test for Wild Bunch. There should never be an instance where pushing the muzzle against something hard, to keep it from firing, would ever be acceptable.

It's used when there is an appearance of PF failure. At the old WR, it was used every day, every year. Random shooter, one or two per posse, had to submit ammo in ziplocks to be tested. Happened the same way at the older 4 Corners Regionals. Happened, for cause, at a 4 corners regional as well. Shooter had to change ammo. PF was so low it wasn't cycling his 1911.

WBAS Shb Pg 13 says "Thumb and grip safeties must function correctly" However, there is no procedure or requirement to check the safety for function. That would fall under Match Directors Discretion. I remember, years ago, at Winter Range, every shooter had to weigh their pistol, with and without mag, and show the safeties to be functional, on one stage. Haven't seen either of those in a long time.

It's in the WBAS SHB, pg 31

Not at EOT for rifle (classic) or pistol

WBAS SHB Pg 21 "All types of athletic shoes or combat boots, no matter the material from which they are constructed. Note: Period military boots with non-grip enhancing soles if appropriate for the costume are legal for Wild Bunch Action Shooting."

WBAS SHB Pg 5 "Boots must be SASS legal."

Go here Scores-by-Category-Wild-Bunch.pdf look at ES Modern vs Classic ES Modern Senior Modern vs Classic Senior Modern

Again, two separate occurrences. 1 Action must be cycled when discarded for the FINAL time. 2. Action not required to be cycled WHEN FOR FURTHER USE.

I've got pink on the front and lime green on the rear. 😄

There is no penalty for "overloading" any long gun. The penalty occurs when something is done with the "overloaded" rounds, i.e. Shot downrange (P), used to complete a sequence after ejecting a round (P+M), left in chamber of gun, action open or closed (SDQ) Other penalties are: Expended round left in chamber and action NOT cycled (MSV) The only Possible penalty for loading 4 when the instructions called for 2 is 1: P for not following stage instructions 2: Get someone who knows the rules to write the stages.

2 separate things Hammer fully down on an empty chamber or expended round, action closed (RESTAGED FOR FURTHER USE) Means: you'll be using the shotgun again on that stage. Not cycling the action of a long gun at the end of the shooting string before the next fire is fired. Means: you're done with the shotgun for that stage and won't be using it again. There is no conflict because there are different scenarios for these rules.

WBSHB Pg 14 "Sights may not be optical or fiber optic. Laser sights are not allowed. Sights may be painted or have colored dots or inserts." No restriction on colors for 1911 sights in Modern.

No Look at my answer above. It lists the approved site colors.

Because there is none. It's only a penalty if there is a live round in the chamber SDQ If there is an expended in the chamber, and the shotgun is staged closed, it's a P for not cycling the action.

Both pistols are ok. The Queen of Bling uses the SR1911 for both Main Match and a second for backup; WBSHB Pg 18 "Shotgun barrels may have internal choke tubes installed provided they do not extend beyond the muzzle." WBSHB Pg 19 "Front sights may be bead or simple post types. - Mid-barrel sights are allowed and must be the same color as the front sight. - Front sights may be blue, black, steel, ivory, faux ivory, brass, gold, pewter, copper, or silver." No red sights allowed, either optical or stationary, for shotgun.

No body said "no one wanted it" the past regime said "nobody would shoot with the .38 rifle"

So, out of 164 Shooters at EOT WB: 86 shot classic 68 shot wild bunch Yeah, I see an overwhelming demand for classic, not. Or, are those 68 not "real shooters"

Single Stack 1911 in .45 acp Any SASS Legal Rifle .38 or larger, PF 60 Any SASS Legal Shotgun Just like it is now. But now, we get to go back to the .40 cal, or larger, rifle, PF 150. 12 gauge pump shotgun