Flying W Ramrod

Because "elsewhere" is not based on the movie The Wild Bunch. More like Rambo meets Lethal Weapon meets HALO. Different genres. and, as for thickness, stack them, as long as they don't exceed 1/4 inch.

Just about every shooter in Wild Bunch uses a 1/4 inch, leather, baseplate cover on their mags. WBAS SHB PG 12 "A base pad may be added to the magazine if it meets the following requirements: it must be made from natural leather material only. It must be no larger than the contour of the base of the magazine. The total thickness of the pad may not extend more than ¼” beyond the original base plate." Mernickle sells them by the 10 unit lot 1911 Wild Bunch Mag Pads – Mernickle Custom Holsters You don't have to use the metal baseplates bare, but you can't use plastic. Darkmoor Armory motto "death before plastic"

I dunno. The 1/4" leather pad seems to work for everyone else.

Just the leather base pads. Don't think the TG/ROC will budge on this.

Remedial counting lessons 😄

A lot of folks use it to ensure PF in case there's a challenge.

SHB Pg. 10. 4th line down. "Any firearm modification not referenced in this handbook is prohibited." So, nope.

SHB Page 10, 4th line down. "Any firearm modification not referenced in this handbook is prohibited." So, nope.

Every reference to Shotgun modifications, found in the SHB pg. 18,19, state if found on the original firearm type. If there was a shroud and/or bayonet lug on an original Model 12, it's acceptable to install a new one.

You, again, are wrong. The members suggest things to their TG's. The TG's discuss these suggestions and, if warranted, have clubs vote via the TG's. Then, if it's not a potential liability to SASS where HQ has to step in, the results of the vote are adopted. His suggestion, may or not be determined to be valid enough to warrant a club vote. Again, if you don't like SASS go somewhere else.

Once again, and for the last time I hope, the 4 and 6 denote the LARGEST size allowed. Yes, most folk use 7.5 shot, more pellets on target. SASS said, when they made this rule, they wanted to reduce bounce/splatter. Simple as that. Find another rule to argue about

Those are maximum shot size numbers.

There is no rule about keeping the trigger finger off the trigger when initially charging the pistol. The only finger rule is; when changing mags, moving, correcting malfunctions. WBAS SHB Pg 14 "When handling the 1911, the shooter’s trigger finger must be outside the trigger guard when moving, reloading, or clearing a malfunction after the pistol is first charged." No call on the trigger finger. SDQ on the 1911 after the rifle smacked it, though.

7 in the top 10 were shooting .38s 12 in the top 20 were shooting .38s

I'm glad you have so much success with your target. All steel moves when hit, that's the nature of the beast. Not every club uses AR500 steel. 150PF Rifle, is not a factor in whether clubs, or shooters, don't shoot WB. It's desire only. Shooters can use any SASS legal, .38 and above, rifle and shotgun. Rock Island offers a GI 1911 for 659.00. You can find them cheaper. It's desire, nothing else. And I'm done with this conversation

Spent many years blacksmithing on steel. You hit a piece of steel 28 times x 20 shooters, the steel reacts differently than hitting it 8 times x 20 shooters. Don't believe it? Grab a piece of 3/8 steel, ar or not, and hit it 460 times and hit another 160 times. Then do this 12 more times. See what the steel tells you. Steel doesn't lie.

Really? Can you show me the numbers? EOT was the most attended. Landrun, when they actually accept WB will be next. Bordertown, for a side match, sells out.

Apples and oranges. Max fps is 1000 and 1400 for SASS. A 230 at 1000fps 28 times has more effect on the surface than a 200 at 1400 8 times. Basic metalurgy.

It's not a PF issue. The main reason SASS wanted an Open category, years ago, was to draw other, cowboy, shooters into WB. WB was not bringing in the revenue spent on awards etc. CAS shooters, who have now started shooting WB, didn't want to have to get a new rifle and shotgun. The cost of the guns for the amount of matches offered, didn't pencil out. So SASS had to change things up and, in so doing, eliminated the PF for all rifles to allow .38's to play. Add in the '87 and SxS shotgun, more shooters could afford to play WB. Enough WB shooters wanted the "big bore" rifles and pump shotgun, SASS decided to bring that back as "Classic". Kinda funny, if the "powers that were" had just allowed an "open" category, none of this would have ever happened. Rifle PF is only in Classic. As far as clubs using rifle PF as a reason to not shoot WB, I say BS. 150pf for pistol is more damaging to a target, because of 28+ rounds vs 7-10, it's just a reason they want to complain.

No No NO. If they want to shoot under 150, for rifle, shoot wild bunch aka mild bunch aka wild bunch lite. But the range/club should understand 150pf for pistol stays. period.dot. It's not the Rifle PF that kept shooters away from WB, it's the cost of the equipment. Just about everyone has, or had, access to a single stack 1911. It was the shotgun and large caliber rifle that scared, potential, shooters away. Not the rifle PF. Now that there is WB for those who don't have, or want to get, the shotgun and rifle, and Classic for those who do. Again, Rifle PF has nothing to do with it.

All it takes is one SASS Sanctioned Match to start it and watch it snowball.

Power factor for pistol is, and always was, 150. Power factor for Wild Bunch Rifle is 60 Power factor for Classic Wild Bunch Rifle is 150 The PF for Pistols was never changed. If a club decides to no longer offer WB because of the 150 PF for Classic Rifle, they need to acknowledge the PF for ALL Pistols, forever, has been 150. Nothing new here. Figure some other reason to not allow WB.

Great idea. Get a bay, that's not being used, turn it into check bay. Shooters come off the previous bay, check in at test bay, weigh, check safeties, do PF test, move on. I like it. Now, to get the Powers That Be, involved. Thanks for the ideas.

How many competitors and, knowing how WB at WR/EOT/Landrun is held, any way to do that at these matches? And, I guess you'd have to hope the ammo brought for testing is the same used during the match. Remember there's a reason for the smoke factor. I'd like to see PF testing and, at the same time and bay, weight and safety checks. Especially the safety checks. Match Directors are setting themselves up for liability by not ensuring the safeties are functioning properly. i.e. Your Honor, why did they assume the safeties were functional.

How many bays? How many volunteers? When do they test? Want to volunteer to help, or just bitch