Flying W Ramrod

SHB Pg 19, top of page. Handling Conventions - Shotguns - In Wild Bunch Action Shooting, side by side/double barrel shotguns are loaded under TO supervision at the staging location and staged open. The action may not close until “after the beep.” Any additional rounds needed must be loaded from the body or other specified staging position. If vertical staging is used, the double/side by side will have to be staged empty. It's allowed at the Start of the Stage, not any other time during the stage.

Click on the flyer link in the first post. Only thing not there is the round count. As for round count, I always estimate 30 rounds, pistol, per stage. Some higher, some lower, but that's a good number. Rifle I figure 10. Shotgun 6. If I bring ammo back, that's ok.

I use WST. I know a lot of shooters use VV but I don't know which, and, that decision should be up to the shooter.

Vitivhouri is being used by a lot of shooters in the States

Safe Conditions During a Course of Fire – Shotguns A shotgun is considered SAFE to leave the shooter’s hands in the following condition only (some conditions may be corrected before firing the next firearm): - Empty. - No live round in the chamber, action cycled, and muzzle safely downrange. - Hammer fully down on an empty chamber or expended round, action closed (restaged for further use) - Action open. Believe this answers that question. As long as the action is open, the shotgun is safe to leave the shooters hands, whether there are rounds in the chamber or not.

I'm in. Got my email.

First, what club are you a member of? Second, go to the main page here and see the post about "welcome 2024-2025 WBAS Leadership" Third, scroll down until you come to your State/Club and find the TG listed. If you're club is not on there, then contact you club officers and get a WBTG elected and into the program.. The WBTG should do the same as the CAS TG by being a conduit, to and from, SASS WB ROC and the Club regarding WB Questions, policies, changes etc.

I have been shooting SASS for over 20 years. If you're voice isn't being heard, and is the majority voice, change your TG. It's, really, that simple. Don't whine, don't complain, change it.

Until the "new" TG/ROC, there were only ROC and Ambassadors. Neither of which were in touch with the rank and file shooters. They only listened to their over inflated egos and self worth. Now, each, club, each member, each shooter has a voice. And, if the current TG/ROC don't listen, they can, and will, be replaced by those who will.

AGAIN, during course of fire, not at end of string. Apples and Oranges. At the END of the pistol shooting, the pistol MAY NOT BE HOLSTERED.

The TG's submit member concerns, questions, inputs to the ROC. The ROC formulates answers. The answers are promulgated to the TG's who, in turn, take them to the members for input/votes. The members send their inputs/votes to the TG's who take them to the ROC. If the members say yea, or nae, the ROC adopts the results. That's the way it should work. If it doesn't, change who's at fault. TG's, ROC's, whomever. The members are the deciding body. Just like a Republic, one person, one vote. Since this is a "wholly owned subsidiary of SASS, the final say is in their purview. I'm sure SASS will do what the members desire if, financially, ideology, and legally, feasible.

At the END of the pistol shooting string(s), the pistol is discarded, not holstered. And only holstered when cleared by the appropriate person.

These are all holstering a "ready" gun, not a gun shot dry. Guns shot dry are not re-holstered.

No so. IPSC, IDPA, use only pistols and don't holster. Modern 3 Gun allow reholstering pistol until it is shot dry then it must be place in the bucket, and remain in the bucket until cleared. No other shooting sport allows reholstering a pistol once the pistol is no longer used.

There is no penalty for overloading any firearm. It's what you do with that unfired round which earns the penalty. In the case of rifles: overloaded round fired = P; left in mag tube/on carrier = MSV; any portion in chamber = SDQ; used to complete shooting string = M + P; ejected = No Call. In the case of pistol: if fired = P; if used to compete shooting string = P + M; if left under the hammer = SDQ; if left in cylinder, but not under hammer, = No Call.

I would suggest you contact your TG, provide them with actual handbook citations regarding this issue, and help them work on it. It all starts with the TG's.

except when in slide lock, it's easier for it to fall out of the holster. Also, it would then require you to drop mag, slide forward, pull trigger, to ensure you don't have a live round in the chamber. Too much time, and chances for baaad mistakes.

Thanks Pard

The answer to that is contact the local CAS Clubs and see who would be willing to put on a WB Match. It's not up to SASS to get clubs to hold WB matches. In fact, I know of one CA club where the founding member says WB will NEVER happen on that range using CAS Bays, Props, and/or Targets. Contact the Clubs. Poll the Members and see if a Match would be viable.

Got a pard interested in shooting WB. Has a box of 230g hollow points, lead. Wants to know if they can be used for 1911 WB Pistols I don't know, any ideas?

The rules are influenced by the TG's, who, should be, influenced by their club members. That was a problem with the old ROC. No input from the members. Members who don't have inputs, leave the sport.

Nope, still listed Team Ruger

Vendors, owners vs competitors. I know a fella that makes model 12 firing pins, should this fella be considered a professional as well?

apples and oranges

too easy. One who is paid by a corporation to compete, includes, but not limited to, travel, entry, guns, ammo, lodging.