Flying W Ramrod

177gr, Thanks, fixed the document

Running them through a Bulge Buster at the end of reloading takes this step out.

Had some free time, I'm retired, it's all free time 😄 2025 SHB Changes.docx

Howdy Pards: Just did a "word for word" on the 2024 SHB to the 2025 SHB. Here's the changes I've found. If you find others, please let me know. Page 6 Modern Category: May use any SASS legal main match shotgun and any legal main match rifle, .38 caliber or greater. Traditional Category: May use any SASS legal main match shotgun and any legal main match rifle, .38 caliber or greater. Teddy Rosevelt Category: It is recommended that the rifle targets for Teddy Roosevelt be set at 25 to 50 75 yards. Page 7 Doughboy Category: The rifle must be an original caliber bolt action rifle issued by any country to its military forces through the end of WWII. It must be as issued with original iron battle sights and no external modifications. Original scoped rifles are not allowed. Minimum Entrant Category Requirements: *Shooting categories offered at any match, including Teddy Roosevelt and Doughboy as Main match categories, are ultimately at the discretion of the Match Officials to ensure the success and viability of each match individually unless the individual contract indicates otherwise. Page 10 Range Operations and Safety Rules: Add/Change Bullet points 7, 8, 9: - All staged long guns shall have their barrels pointed safely down range, unless the stage scenario and provided prop calls for vertical staging of the long gun(s). (Vertical staging is not restricted by SASS). - All long guns initially staged on a horizontal flat surface shall be staged lying flat where at least the rear of the trigger guard is on the staging area. - All handguns initially staged on a horizontal flat surface must be staged with the entire handgun lying flat on the staging surface. Page 14 1911 Pistol – Range Operations 1911 Safety and Handling First bullet point: Magazines may be loaded with up to seven rounds at any time, unless limited by stage instructions. Third bullet point: After being first charged, the shooter may move with the 1911 as long as the chamber is empty of a live round. The slide may be forward or locked back. It may have no magazine or an empty or loaded magazine. Page 18 Shotgun Gauges: Slide action shotguns must be centerfire of at least 16 20 gauge and no larger than 12 gauge. Page 19 Safe Conditions During a Course of Fire – Shotguns: A shotgun is considered SAFE to leave the shooter’s hands… Add Bullet Point 4: Action open. Page 22 Safety: Safety and Handling Conventions: All Firearms: Replace 12th bullet point with: There is no penalty for an empty case/hull in a gun that is open or that the shooter has cycled. If a proper attempt has been made to cycle the gun, it will be cocked. Page 23 Bullet Point 1: Change to read: “Long guns will have their actions cycled at the conclusion of each shooting string. If the action of a long gun closes after being cycled, then the competitor will, at the conclusion of the stage, show it to the TO. Appropriate penalties will apply if it is not empty of live ammunition/unfired rounds.” Page 26 Change to read: Targets are set at close to medium range. While there are no absolute rules, the following are distance recommendations by firearm, if using a target size of approximately 12"-16" in diameter: Pistol targets: 7 to 12 15 yards. Shotgun targets: 8 to 15 16 yards. Rifle targets: 15 13 to 25 50 yards. Add: SASS recommends the round count for the pistol (per stage) is a minimum of 28 rounds. Page 33 Ammunition Covenants: Power Factor for the 1911 Pistol: Change to read: The minimum bullet weight for the 1911 pistol is .45 ACP and the minimum power factor of 150. The maximum velocity standard for the 1911 Pistol is 1000 fps. Pocket RO Card Remove first entry for MSV “empty or live round……”

Thanks Misty I'll be updating my WBRO PP to reflect any changes. Regards and see you at EOT

Don't look for your mags. You don't need to pull them in a specific order. Just drop your hand and grab what you touch. Keep the pistol up when you change mags, don't lower, insert, raise, takes too much time and you have to regain the target. You don't need to hammer the bottom of the mag into the pistol, just put it in right the first time. Whirlwind Wendy taught me all this.

Pg 13 WBSHB "Only non-adjustable “military style” simple blade rear and front sights allowed." "Front sights may be dovetailed, pinned, or staked." "Sights may be the color of the slide or any combination of the slide color, including but not limited to: blue, black, or natural stainless (natural colored) steel. The back of a colored front sight may be polished to a natural steel color." Based on this, the "military style" simple blade rear and front sight is your determining factor.

February is the month for WBAS RO Classes in the Phoenix area. Friday, February 14 at Cowtown Range, just 15 minutes from Ben Avery (for those who want the class but don't want to miss Side Match Wednesday at EOT) Wednesday, February 26 at EOT. Contact Flying W Ramrod at ramrodwayne@gmail to sign up for either one of these classes.

However, unless a designated, safe work area, is established, the ULT could be considered that area. Since the firearm was a declared malfunction, I don't believe the penalty for firing into the berm holds. IMHO

Hopefully the RO Instructors and CRO's will be included

Keep us updated on the Zoom Meeting details please. Regards

SHB 17.4, Pages 12 and 13. No mention of what side the mag release must be on. Extended mag release is allowed in Modern, not allowed in Traditional. WBRO Manual lists the same requirements for Mag Releases in three locations, Slides 17, 18, and 24. None say you can't change the mag release to the right side. Wild Bunch Range Operations and Match Directors Guide Pages 23 and 25 refer to checking the mag release for extended and oversize. Nothing about side of pistol. The SHB 16.3 from 2022 says the same. I'm thinking that, at some point in history, the location of the mag release was removed and no one noticed.

Contact your WBTG. Let them know your concern. That's how things get changed.

The context is, if you have enough mag pouches for the stage, that's where the mags come from. If you don't have enough mag pouches for the stage, you can stage the ones you need. You can't take mags from mag pouches and stage them where you think you might need them. Same with rifle reloads. If you have a loop for reload rounds, that's where they come from. If you don't you can stage them. You can't pull a reload round from the loop and stage it. All this depends on the written stage description though.

No footwear may have grip enhancing soles. Wild Bunch is a take on WW1. Combat boots of that era are acceptable. Jungle boots, desert boots, etc, while combat boots, are not in the spirit of Wild Bunch. Rent the movie, check out their footwear. General rule of thumb, if it's not spelled out in the WBSHB and is in the CASHB, the CASHB is the rule.

Yep, 1000%

Wow....Just WOW. Some of these comments are just.....WOW The new TG system has taken on the responsibility of fixing all of this. Don't like what's happened? Get your club to elect you WBTG and fix the problem. .38's isn't written in stone. Fix it. Don't just bitch about it, become part of the solution, or shut up. I talked to a lot of shooters, here in Arizona who said "I shoot (fill in the blank) and I don't want to change from condition 1 to SASS" or "I don't have a 40 caliber or larger rifle", or "I don't have a Model 12". Now that most of that is the norm in WBAS, they say "Oh, I got rid of those guns years ago". "I don't have time for another shooting sport". etc. They never intended to shoot WBAS, they just wanted an excuse. Now the excuse is gone, they have to face reality. Don't like the, current, system? Get involved and fix it....Or shut up.

Everyone who passes the WBRO Course gets a Gold 1911. Supposedly, WBRO Instructors got a Silver 1911.

Been an WB RO Instructor for years and have never seen, or heard, of one. In fact, Legendary Lawman once told me there was no such thing. Hmmmmm

Not yet we don't. I made one for myself. I'll upload a photo later.

As I understand it, the technology used at the EOT WBTG meeting was supposed to do "voice to text" for the meeting. It didn't work so, Misty and Ruby have to sit through 3+ hours of the meeting and transcribe the entire thing. This, on top of all the conventions, meetings, shoots etc, are a big reason the EOT minutes aren't up yet. Be patient or contact SASS HQ and volunteer to transcribe the minutes for them.

WBSHB 17.4 Page 18 "In Wild Bunch Action Shooting, side by side/double barrel shotguns are loaded under TO supervision at the staging location and staged open. The action may not close until “after the beep”. Any additional rounds needed must be loaded from the body or other specified staging position. If vertical staging is used, the double/side by side will have to be staged empty."

In February, I asked this question of Misty and was told the penalty is for leaving an empty or loaded round "in the chamber", and would be clarified in the next update. Thinking this clarification might have gotten lost during the past few, hectic, months. It was changed to ensure the side by side shooters would have to open and, attempt, to clear their shotgun.

SHB 17.4, 4/10/24, PG 17 Shotgun Gauges "Side-by-side, single shot, and lever action shotguns must be centerfire of at least 20 gauge and no larger the 10 gauge." Pretty much answers the question. As 16 gauge is between 20 and 10 it's good to go.

If you stage the shotgun with the hammer cocked, you cannot rack it without pulling the trigger. During the course of fire, the shooter moves to the staged shotgun and tries to rack it, and it will not rack, the shooter should be told to pull the trigger. If the trigger goes click, and then able to rack, it's still a SDQ for not following loading/unloading table procedures. That never changed. The only thing changed is you, no longer, have to pull the trigger before staging the shotgun.