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I’ve done what amounted to a duffle cut repair on a buds Krag sporter, wasn’t that hard but don’t know about mausers. I’ve remilitarized two sporter 1903s too. Good BAMM rifles. We’re doing a BAM match in November I believe. Depending on the weather I’ll either shoot Krags in my Spanish American uniform or if it’s cold I’ll wear my Punitive Expedition outfit as it has a tunic and shoot these.

Or try a nickel 1911. Cimarron makes a nice one.

I did my own 6 shell conversions on my marlins and winchesters by trimming springs and shortening followers depending on what was bottoming out.

I use my campaign hat with googles if I’m in my Punitive Expedition tunic. Use a 1911 leather drop cavalry holster and web gear pouches on a web belt.

Don’t get one from Dirty Billys in Gettysburg. Hard place to do by mail bizness with. I eventually got a nice Span Am hat that fit after 2 that were the wrong size. Drove up there from the Thurmont regional to get measured. Still have it. I like the DI Montana peak better.

He’s still working. Call The Cowboy Shop. Last month he swapped barrels on my 45 colt uberti 1873 and slicked it up. Very fast turnaround too.

Certainly doesn’t look anything like an 1897 Winchester trenchgun. Guessing the bs name was just clickbait to get you to at least look. It surely wouldn’t fool anyone with good eyesight and a little knowledge of military history.

Bought one last year and have used it in several club WB/cas shoots with no issues. Bigger sights than my heinz Colt 1911 with the original 1911 slide. I shoot duelist.

Shot my Auto Ordnance 1911 today at our WB/CAS match. Nothing fancy, a good solid 1911, shot it duelist, fed 200 gr long nosed swc loads perfectly. Came in second overall [out of 15] with 5 misses but in all honesty there were a lot of rifle problems for some of the other shooters. A little over half were cowboys. We had a good time. BAMM/CAS next month.

Much better. The hat makes the man.

Seriously you might want to try a Zoot Suit Shoot. Gangsters carried 1911s, 1897s and Thompsons. There’s a Zoot Shooters sub forum at Cascity, check it out. We do a 2 inch snubnose cas match at ECSASS where a DA snubnose is shot along with our main match guns for 3 stages. I put on pinstripes, my fedora and a nickel 1911. Maybe WB needs to broaden its palette and evolve to attract some new shooters. Same thing sass needs to do. I have photos but your forum won’t let me post them.

FYI, Chinese screws are metric. Had a shell stop screw come out of my Norinco ‘97. Finally found a metric replacement, the corresponding winchester screw was a hair too small.

Isn’t the flagged carrier supposed to aid in feeding or is that negated with the op’s gun being a 3 inch goose gun?

We do simultaneous monthly WB/Cowboy shoots with no problems with either regimen. We all use the same steel, same courses of fire [first 10 pistol] with the only difference being WB will have 5-10/stage more rds to fire. We will have one or two stages where we advance downrange to the rifle targets to engage with those extra pistol rds. WB also load their sg’s at the loading table. As a WASA club we allow self loaders at our monthly shoots, I’ve shot my 9mm Astra, a bud shot his Luger, another a C96, shot one match with my Webley Fosbery and a MkVI . It’s supposed to be for fun. Next month I’ll don my RE tunic, pith helmet and shoot 2 Webleys and a 1866 musket with fixed bayonets on the anniversary of Rorkes Drift.

I would also agree with Doc and don’t see a dif between Norinco putting a heat shield on a riot gun or a shooter doing it. Just about every ‘97 or M12 riotgun in use in cas is a modded field gun. None are stamped with flaming bombs or US. So what.

I have moved positions with the hammer down on a fired rifle or sg round but can’t remember the last time I put a loaded long gun down to fire later. Penalty trap and dangerous too. I once designed a stage that used 2 rifles. The second rifle was my .22 Marlin.

Don’t think my 1911s have got me yet. The main 1911 that I used for years was a heinz Colt ww1 slide and a essex frame with all original 1911 parts, hammer, safety, housing etc. I picked up a lovely nickeled Cimarron 1911 next and now I’m shooting an older AO 1911 a1[?]. My suggestion would be for the op to swap parts between the AO and one that doesn’t bite to figure out the cause of it. Also shoot duelist.

That wasn’t very nice of him. Never heard of pro steel though. We have 3 legged resetting sg targets at our club that we also use as rifle and pistol targets.

Doc, you are fighting an uphill battle with the cost but mainly the unavailability of components with a sport as ammo intensive as what you are doing at your shoots. If there were no shortages of primers or powder, no inflated prices to boot or an extremely uncertain future for firearm enthusiasts and our firearm rights WB would be fine. Being unable to reasonably replace the primers that I would go through at your match would cause me concern. I’m not paying 100.00 for a brick of primers. Some are. Our cas/WASA matches are 60-60 and 20+-, WB are 75-60 and 20/30, BAMM are 60-60 and 25 [depending on the designer]. Suggestions.. I would limit the round count to a couple mags/ stage with one big stage. Do a BAMM with the 1911. I don’t have a problem with Cowboy 1911, if that’s what you want to call it, [i call it WASA rules]and I know you don’t want to hear it but until the dam breaks and primers are at least available let alone come down to 40-50.00/brick WB attendance along with a lot of other shooting sports will not be good.

I’ve shot a few matches run by the Zombie Shooters Association [ZSA]. I’d call it ipsc light as any caliber is ok and the classification is based on the size of your magazine not the caliber or power of your ammo. I’ve used my Smith 625 with moonclips and a couple of different .45acp pcc’s at different shoots. Indoors it was all paper but outdoors had some steel. Haven’t done one in a while. Fun shooting, not as deadly serious as the guys are in ipsc matches.

Being you are on the cup board pitch the idea to allow pump shot guns to be fully loaded on the clock to the stage requirements. It’s no faster but alot more fun as you know to bang out a magazine full than load ‘em one or two at a time. A WASA rule.

6x30= 180! Thats a lot of pistol ammo plus 60 rifle and 25+- sg. No wonder turnout is down. 1000 primers a month would wipe my out in a year. Sounds like you try to do a state or regional every match. We do the usual 10/stage plus 3 stages of 15-20 when we do a legit WB. I agree with you that regular cas matches don’t do it for me like they once did. We’re doing a cas match this month. I’ll use a couple Webley .455 MkVI’s shot single action. I can run them as good as my Vaqueros.

I agree Tully, WB has indeed made it its own game. My opinion though is that as a WB category it could be shot monthly at any big sass match or club match but as it’s own game it is not doing well. There are 8 sass clubs in NC but only one that I know that does monthly WB. We are not sass affiliated and do 3-4 actual WB a year and a couple BAM’s but also allow self-loaders and DA revolvers too. And we do this alongside of cas shooters.

Why are they reducing the WB shoots? Interest waning, burnout, ammo limitations due to the shortage would be my wag? You must have a big club to do two shoots every weekend. If we get 15 head we’re doing good. I can remember when we ran 4 possees, 2 shooting and 2 working on opposite sides of our berm. If I understand you correctly what you are describing is the Self Loader category of WASA, use 5 round mags, handgun targets engaged the same as the cas guys. That’s what we do at ECSASS. How will you load the sgs? I like the option to use my 1911 monthly. Best of both worlds. We also allow martial DAs.

Too few WB shooters and too many cas shooters who won’t accept WB as another legit cas category. If the WB rules had not included the modern category of 1911s and stayed true to the film using stock 1911 and 1911A1 it would have at least been able to claim it was a category based on the film. By allowing modern guns, casual dress and 7 rd mag loads it has separated itself from sass and imo become ipsc in cowboy boots and become it’s own shooting sport. I pushed for a sass military category with a cut off date of 1912 [when the film takes place] that would have blended well with sass. Nobody was interested. Btw, we shot a WB shoot last Saturday at ECSASS, 8 shot WB-5 shot cas. Nobody’s feelings were hurt and WE ALL had a good time. Last month we shot a BAM/cas match.