Rifle Power Factor

[Jorge]

I would suspect that most competitors using a .38 rifle, Cowboy or Wild Bunch, are using a velocity of 750-800, at least.  This is based on a revolver power factor of 60, and the using the same rounds, the rifle adds 100-150fps, easily.  So the POWERR FACTOR may be in the 75-80 range already.

Using a >.40 rifle, with a PF of 150 is a disadvantage, many would agree, as it is easily twice the power factor of the .38's.

I might propose changing the Power Factor for the rifle in Wild Bunch to 80, or any value <100, for any caliber rifle, in any class.  This would lessen the advantage of using a .38, and it may allow someone shooting in a "Classic" category to compete with those in an "Open" category.

The 1911 Power Factor would still be 150.

Discussion?  Kevlar is on.

Edited Saturday at 03:48 PM by Jorge

[Old Man Graybeard]

Bring all rifle power factor back to 150

[Tracker Jack]

I would like to make a comment for consideration. I know several clubs that either did away with WB or WB supply their own targets because of the damage being done by WB shooters to their CAS targets. Clubs have started to allow WB again, the increase in PF may cause these clubs to reconsider WB going forward.

Also, when I went to school 750 and 800 were more than 150. Jorge you may want to check your math.

[Jorge]

OMG, I doubt that the PF for all rifles would ever return to 150.  It is too unpopular.

 

Tracker Jack, the 150 is POWER FACTOR.  The 750-800 was meant to be FEET PER SECOMD.  I did misuse the term, so I'll correct imy premise statement

Old metal targets may be a problem with a high power factor.  With our AR 500, we have found no damage, but not all clubs have such targets.

[Tracker Jack]

3 hours ago, Jorge said:

OMG, I doubt that the PF for all rifles would ever return to 150.  It is too unpopular.

 

Tracker Jack, the 150 is POWER FACTOR.  The 750-800 was meant to be FEET PER SECOMD.  I did misuse the term, so I'll correct imy premise statement

Old metal targets may be a problem with a high power factor.  With our AR 500, we have found no damage, but not all clubs have such targets.

All I was saying is to be careful about pushing high power factors. We are getting shooters and clubs to rethink opposition to WB, it is important to listen to these concerns. The hand wringing and desire to go to high power factors are a detriment to acceptance and growth.

[Flying W Ramrod]

Power factor for pistol is, and always was, 150.

Power factor for Wild Bunch Rifle is 60

Power factor for Classic Wild Bunch Rifle is 150

The PF for Pistols was never changed. If a club decides to no longer offer WB because of the 150 PF for Classic Rifle, they need to acknowledge the PF for ALL Pistols, forever, has been 150.

Nothing new here. Figure some other reason to not allow WB.

[Tracker Jack]

10 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

Power factor for pistol is, and always was, 150.

Power factor for Wild Bunch Rifle is 60

Power factor for Classic Wild Bunch Rifle is 150

The PF for Pistols was never changed. If a club decides to no longer offer WB because of the 150 PF for Classic Rifle, they need to acknowledge the PF for ALL Pistols, forever, has been 150.

Nothing new here. Figure some other reason to not allow WB.

Not arguing with you. I am just stating what I have observed in the past and cautioning about driving clubs and people away. 

I am glad that Misty saw the wisdom in making changes to bring in more shooters. I have spent time talking with shooters and encouraging them to come back and give WB another try. The old regime did their best to alienate shooters that had been shooting WB for years before they took over and changed the rules to suit them and their needs. Please try to understand that it is the disaffected CAS shooters that will grow the ranks of WB shooters. I believe in what Misty and CC are doing so strongly that I became certified to teach WB. I want this game to thrive, but harping on how the new game is not good is not the way to help anyone.