Legendary Lawman

Hello eveyone The WBAS ROC approved the Marlin 336 for use in the Teddy Roosevelt match in January. This decision was based on the fact that its lineage dates back to the Marlin 1895 and on the outside looks very similar. This will be noted in the new rules when published.

With the introduction of the 2022 manuals, the Wild Bunch rules were reorganized from three manuals into a Shooter’s Manual, and a Range Operations and Match Director’s Manual. The idea was to make it easier to find rules and reduce any repetition. As you can image, this took a lot of work to make sure nothing was left out while nothing was repeated. The Wild Bunch Range Operations Committee worked closely with SASS on this project. We wanted to have it finished and published in early January. As it turned out, even with proof reading, some mistakes were noticed after the fact, and it was felt that these mistakes should be corrected right away. In version 16.2, some of the necessary changes were grammar related and some were references made to the wrong new page number. Most changes were very minor. The only two real changes in wording were: 1. Page 18 – the explanation on categories was reworded for clarification. 2. Page 31 – Glossary of Terms, Basketball Travelling Rule – reworded for clarification.

Poor Shell Stuffer. That's noot something you want to be remembered for? 😀 The Wild Bunch ROC has identified a number of issues with cocked guns that need to be addressed in the rule book. The 1911 is one that probably needs the most work. For example, in the WB Handbook, page 10 addresses when it is safe to move with the 1911 and when it is safe to put it down. At no time is the hammer position mentioned. If you then go to the cowboy handbook, page 13 says that a cocked revolver may never leave a shooter's hand, including from one hand to the other. IIn WB, we are always putting our 1911 down cocked. The obvious difference is what when you finish your last shot with a revolver the hammer is down and when you finish your last shot with the 1911, the hammer is cocked. They are two different instruments requiring different rules. SASS is currently working on some rule changes and a number of rule clarications to acknnowledge the differences that WB has versus cowboy. Another identified area of concern is the rules for putting down a long gun with the intent to re-use it. The rules only identify long guns in the circumstance but you can only leave them with the action closed on an empty casing or empty chamber. In WB, we regularly allow a shotgun to be put down open with a round on the carrier. The rules don't speak to the 1911 but we are aways putting it down open and empty (and cocked) with the intent to re-use it. Unfortunately, yes, that means the rule books gets a little longer. A great exchange and thanks for everyone's contribution.

YES!

GJ makes a good point and I should have mentioned something about changing the wording in my last posting. The problem has been noted and the rule about the number of rounds you can load will be reworded for clarification. On the issue of "restaging for further use", the current rule stated in my last posting is what is in force at this time.

The intent of the rule on how many rounds can be loaded in the shotgun, as indicated above, is for the total targets to be shot, up to 6, even if the targets require movement to shoot all six. The rule was put in place to restrict shooters from overloading the shotgun such as loading 5 for a 4 target array etc. Restaging the shotgun for further use is a different problem. At the current time, if you break up shooting all the shotgun targets by using another firearm in between shotgun targets, it is being restaged for further use and must follow the that rule: Hammer fully down on an empty chamber or expended round, action closed (restaged for further use) The reason the 2023 rules have not come out yet is that the Wild Bunch ROC is in discussions with SASS over suggested changes for 2023. The "restaging" rule is one of those to be reviewed. We hope to finish this review during EOT. In the meantime, the restaging rule in the book and shown above is in effect.

Three Wild Bunch Ambassadors answered the query correctly on Facebook. The Wild Bunch Shooter's Handbook states: "The holster must cover the entire length of the barrel and slide from the muzzle to the ejection port." It does not say that it must cover the ejection port. Therefore the 1911 ejection port may be visible when holstered. Therefore the holsters pictured are legal

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Thanks to Flying W Ramrod for a great match. We had 17 shooters and great weather.

Serenity and I are looking forward to it.

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C.N. Double and Tully Mars are both correct in their explanations. The big issue here is that the original situation was very poorly explained, leading to too many suppositions having to be made before any conclusion could be drawn. This thread does point out the importance of the TO counting the shots and watching the gun. As an example, assuming the shooter did not have to move with the pistol during the stage, at some time during the reloading of the 1911, the TO should have counted 7 shots and noticed that the slide was still forward. Continuing to count 7 shots during each reload and the slide staying forward, they should have then been aware that the slide was still forward at the end of the string. They could then direct the gun to be cleared safely and would be able to unequivocally state that an overloaded round was used. Otherwise, as pointed out, if the extra round was discovered at the end of the string, the benefit of the doubt goes to the shooter and as long as the shooter did not move and the gun did not leave the shooter's hand, it is a no call. Postings like these can be great learning experiences and fun to follow but only if the person posting is clear and complete in their explanation of the situation.

Thanks for all the comments and thanks to FWR for bringing it to my attention. The ROC will review this issue.

That was a well written article Dusty. It did age pretty well.

As always, we greatly enjoyed your shoot. Another good job. Lots of fun.