Boggus Deal

2 minutes ago, Deplorable Dan said:

Heh...That's the first honest opinion I have heard so far. 

Shhhhh! Don’t tell anyone! They’ll try harder to dumb down what’s left of Wild Bunch to cowboy action level.

Well…. Since you asked. 99% of cowboy action dress up players can’t really shoot, they don’t like a higher round count, targets out past 3 feet or targets smaller than a barn door. Or the fact that that Wild Bunch stages aren’t choreographed like a kindergarten play. 

31 minutes ago, Deplorable Dan said:

I have been searching Gunbroker, are the featherlite models okay?

No. They don’t hold 6 rounds. 

Model 12 is by far the fastest, most reliable and available shotgun for Wild Bunch.

1 hour ago, Dutch D. Moderator said:

Howdy Boggus: 

The process to register on both the Cowboy Action Shooting Forum and this Wild Bunch Action Shooting Forum are exactly the same- it is identical software. 

To be sure we weren't missing something, I went into the administration side of the software, and there were a small handful of folks pending registration- awaiting validation. This means they had not yet responded to their validation email, but I went ahead and jut confirmed their registrations manually to ease that for them.

 

There is no conspiracy against Wild Bunch.

At your service ~Dutch

SASS WBAS Forum Moderator  

 

Obviously, to me at least, there is something different. They can’t register here, yet can go to the cowboy wire, register, and are able to question registration here.

About every other day, there is a question posted on the SASS Wire about registering here. If SASS supports Wild Bunch so much, why do they make it SO hard for new shooters to register here? Is it a mistake or a deliberate attempt to do so? That’s a rhetorical question. 
CC? You have an answer?
Just like the five years I hosted the New Mexico State Wild Bunch State Championship at Founder’s Ranch, just minutes away from the SASS headquarters and always offered free entry to the match, always a free dinner to anyone in the SASS office who would come. Want to guess how many ever showed up? 

On 8/1/2024 at 7:16 AM, CC Moonshine said:

 

EOT 2024 can't be the barometer for the future of WB. 

 

Why? Because it doesn’t fit your narrative? For 10-12 years, the national and world championships sell out. You change the rules and it doesn’t sell out, by a large margin. 
To me, that’s about as good a barometer as possible. Cause and effect. 
 

4 hours ago, CC Moonshine said:

Good day all,

Just for consideration, keep in mind why the rifle power factor was dropped in the updated rules.

WB needs people to try it and it has to be easy for them to try.

Our #1 goal right now is growing WB. We really really have to grow it by a pretty good margin.

By removing the power factor, people from CAS can just grab their standard CAS load and try it. 

Then if they enjoy it, they can easily continue without major time or equipment investment.

It has already completed the checkmark as proof of concept and is growing.

We can't hang up the progress right away by fine tuning things that detract the progress.

I know, myself and at least 5 , maybe 10 people that don't have time to add loading 158 grain ammo on top over everything else we load or do.

I would just stop AGAIN shooting WB and so would they. It's purely a time issue for most of us.

Besides, We are talking about the least considered firearm with the least round count in the game. WHY are we thinking it needs to get harder right now to draw in 

new blood ?

Please think about the growth for now, how to make it easier for people to get in the game and try it.

That is the most important and pressing issue for WB. Everything else can come after.....

Just something to think about,

Have a fantastic week,

CC Moonshine

 

 

 

Just like every other rule change made in the last ten years “to get people to try it”, thinking dropping the rifle power factor will get anyone to try it is just bull produced fertilizer. What it did do and will continue to do is drive dedicated shooters away. Just look at EOT 2024. What was it down? 50-60 shooters? EOT sold out last year at 175ish. This year there were just over 100 shooters. As I’ve stated many, many times, the same complainers will continue to complain and NOT shoot. The one big complainer over on the cowboy wire already said he still won’t shoot because he can’t have an ambi safety on his Traditional gun. He was also that said years ago he would shoot when he could load 7 in the mag. Guess what? He still don’t shoot it. And won’t. He’ll just keep whining. I’m not sure why he wanted seven in the magazine. He can’t count to five in his revolvers. How does he expect to count to seven in his magazines?

9 hours ago, El Chapo said:

A 158 grain bullet at 1000 fps out of a 20" barrel is a piece of cake if that was what we were expected to load.  I don't bother because the power factor is 60, so I doubt my 125s are more than 900 fps.  I could probably bump them to 1200 or even more out of the rifle if that was what was required, but I don't think it'd enhance the game at all for them to require me to do so.

If people really cared about power factor, the power factor for 45 ACP should be raised to at least 165, if not 175.  A handgun at that power is much harder to shoot fast than one at 150.  A 45 ACP with a 10 pound recoil spring and 150 pf ammo is a mouse fart compared to a 16 pound spring and 180+ pf (factory type) hard ball loads.

Any one that shoots a 10# recoil spring with even a 150PF is inviting trouble. Broken firing pin springs, frame, slide and barrel battering, short spring life. 
 

6 hours ago, Boomstick Bruce said:

How much are those weighted followers and where do I buy 2?

PM sent!

31 minutes ago, Renegade Roper said:

Boggus, how do you add weight?  I thought someone used to sell a weighted follower?

I make and sell a couple weighted follower options.

Personally, I wouldn’t go to 20”. That feels too short and muzzle light to me. I like 22 at least.  And even then I put weight in the magazine:

13 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

 

I'm thinking that, at some point in history, the location of the mag release was removed and no one noticed.

 

It wasn’t removed because as Happy Jack said, it’s never been legal. 

Personally, I prefer to use what the man who developed and patented it called it. Thomas Crossly Johnson called it the cartridge cutoff. But what did he know? 

3 minutes ago, Deacon KC said:

What's the link for your firing pins?

Deacon, no link yet. PM me a number I can text or an email and I’ll send info.

Thanks!

As long as it’s not a 3” Duck gun, I’ve not had a problem with anything 2 3/4” in mine and the ones I’ve built. 
some people will tell you need a shell guide on the carrier but I’ve only found them to be rarely needed. 
Some self proclaimed experts will tell you need to lean to gun over to the left to make them feed. You don’t. 
A plug for my firing pin here. It does make the gun work smoother, more reliable and unlike other replacement firing pins on the market, you can dry fire it until your arms wear out and not break it.

The minutes conclude that a safety check will make malfunction clearing(MC) safer.  Has no one thought that through?

Fireball, no, they haven’t…. Most of the current rule makers never could shoot Wild Bunch, for one excuse or another. 

And while it’s not hard to have a weigh in at one stage, during a match. You are correct. It’s not hard to catch weighted magazines during a match. I’ve caught people trying to run weighted magazines. Typically, it was either a shooter from another sport …

15 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

They never intended to shoot WBAS, they just wanted an excuse. Now the excuse is gone, they have to face reality.

 

Those whiners will never shoot it but they are the ones that have caused the s@&tshow it is now. They’re the ones that said they would shoot when we went to 7 in the mag, when we went to tactical reloads, when we puts base pads on. And every time we tried to accommodate them, they just come up with another reason not to shoot.

10 hours ago, Rafe said:

  Still would like to get her slicked up and have the barrel cut down to 20" as the serial numbers are different there is 0 collector value. 

I know a guy.

These are stock Uberti take out parts. 

These are all slightly used but in great shape. 
$60 a set shipped

Somehow it got my reflection in there.

This was a magazine ad when the movie came out. It’s very heavy and measures 16”x24”. I can ship it but it would not be cheap to ship. $100 plus shipping 

Screw in choke, Limbsaver pad, big bead. Barrel cut to 18 1/4”. D series made in 1905. Has been parkerized. It does hold 6. Has Wild Bodie Tom spring and follower.
$750 shipped to your FFL.

On 2/3/2024 at 7:14 AM, Artemus said:

I will say that nearly all WB shooters hope this rule changes. One of the great things about WB is that the guns can be shot in any order. The 60 PF breaks this as the shot timer no longer reliably picks up these low power rifle shots. Shooting a 38/357 and making a higher PF should not be an issue. 

I expect this to be a heavily debated item at the EoT TG meeting. You might wait at least until after that meeting.

 

 

Actually, it is Artemus. Lots of testing has been done in the past on .38/.357 rifles to make power factor. The toggle link rifles don’t hold up to the pressure. Reach out to Evil Roy. He spent a lot of time and money on it.