Boggus Deal

2 hours ago, Tracker Jack said:

Last I checked you don't make the rules, and I have serious doubts about that ever happening. Whine all you want about the rules, it exposes your ignorance. The reason that 4 & 6 shot is listed is to indicate the LARGEST size shot allowed by the rules.

 

Well, yeah, according to SASS, he does make the rules. He’s a paid member and his vote to his TG should determine the rules. 
That being said, it really doesn’t matter what shooters want. SASS will do whatever they please.

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10 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

 

Kinda funny, if the "powers that were" had just allowed an "open" category, none of this would have ever happened.

 

Kinda sad, now that this idiocy has ensued, attendance numbers are dropping. 

On 4/6/2026 at 5:50 PM, Jorge said:

J Frank,

It would have been interesting to have used some Federal primers in your testing.  I too use small primer brass on occasion.....

I can assure you, Norfleet will not see this.

27 minutes ago, Garrison Joe said:

Once.  I've even forgotten.  Can you?  

It has been several times, Joe. And the problem is, when you post incorrect information, then edit it, who knows what is right or wrong? I would suggest, you proofread your posts before you post or only post what you have actual knowledge and experience of.

Just now, Garrison Joe said:

What you thought you had to be bent about was about 4 years ago, and has nothing to do with this thread.  

So….. you’re admitting to being wrong and having to edit your errors.….

On 4/4/2026 at 9:13 AM, Garrison Joe said:

Mine get edited when I spot a typo after posting it, or I want to comment on another point, like I did about the question of how the OP's ammo looked. None were edited after another poster added their reply. GJ

Yours were edited because you were wrong, called out on it and then you edited them. You do remember I have screen shots of your original posts….

6 minutes ago, El Chapo said:

 

And as Bogus said, chrono is a stage.  

It’s Boggus, with two gs!! 🤪🤪🤪

5 hours ago, Garrison Joe said:

Layered safety, I would guess.  Just like in aviation, where a mistake in operation or mechanical failure can be fatal.  But, I did not help write the rules.  I just shoot by them.  good luck, GJ

You ever wonder why you were never asked to “help write the rules”? You ever notice that you have to edit 95% of your posts because they’re wrong to begin with? 

Tall John, 

You will notice that some posts are all edited because they are originally wrong and googled based, not experience and success based. 
 

Don’t drop the loaded round into the chamber and drop the slide. You will certainly at some point break the extractor. It’s designed for the cartridge rim to ride up the breach face under the extractor hook.

All USPSA matches are tested and there are several hundred shooters. For example, testing is on stage 4. As shooters finish stage 3, they go test. It’s recorded. They go to stage 5. Match officials check PF for major and minor levels and if a shooter doesn’t meet, they face consequences. 
Shooter gets to the test area, official asks for a magazine off the body and tests. May be first mag maybe third mag. 
I prefer knockdowns that require a certain level of PF. Yes, it’s hard to keep them calibrated. Yes, it’s a lot of work for a match staff. 

One bay. 2 volunteers. In between 2 stages somewhere in the match.

3 minutes ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

There was a bay where the equipment was set up for anyone to test their loads. That was the day before WB started.

Some folks took advantage of the opportunity, some didn't.

It's impractical to check 150+ shooters ammo, at five rounds each, and still complete the match.

There is no more MDQ for scoring purposes so, once challenged and found lacking, it's a SDQ for any stage, after that, the ammo is used, and a MDQ for the second stage used. 

 

No, it’s not impractical. Other shooting sports tests everyone’s ammo. Not hard to do at all.

33 minutes ago, Eyesa said:

And boy can it empty a mag in a hurry!!

Thankfully, I’ve never had it happen. 

34 minutes ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

Wondering why it has never been required to test functionality of this.

Grip and Thumb have been the only required testing.

Because it would be real obvious…

8 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

The disconnector aka "John Wayne" safety, is a silly thing to test for Wild Bunch.

There should never be an instance where pushing the muzzle against something hard, to keep it from firing, would ever be acceptable.

The disconnector is there for more than that. It prevents it from firing out of battery and from going full auto.

What was really bad was when SASS sold ammo that didn’t meet power factor when it was tested..

14 hours ago, El Chapo said:

My combinations are the choice of Single Stack and IPSC Classic division shooters in something like 60 countries.  There were something like 230 shooters at the (all 1911) match I was at in Mesa the weekend before EoT, I would be willing to bet that not a single one of them had a 16 pound recoil spring in their gun.  And the PF there is 165 for major (USPSA) and 170 in IPSC.

In 15 years of building Wild Bunch guns, anything less than 16# give trouble; not returning to battery, not enough force to fully chamber with a full magazine, broken firing pin springs(which lead to firing pin stops falling out), etc…

16-17# have never failed to cycle fully. Never seen a dip when the slide closed. And this is with a lot of one handed shooters of the weaker persuasion. Seen plenty of dip when some jerk the trigger. 
Poor videography but this is with a 230 gr at 720-725 with 17# recoil and hammer springs.

6 minutes ago, El Chapo said:

Both of those are much hotter than I will be loading.  That's about where I am now with my current load, I run a 14 pound spring with that.

Most everyone was running 12.5 and even 10 pound springs in .40 S&W limited guns 20+ years ago with 180s at 950+.  My slide was lightened, many are not though.  I have been running a 14 pound spring with 170+ PF ammo for 40,000 rounds through my .45 without breaking anything.  Basically nobody in IPSC or USPSA is running a 16 pound spring, that is the spring for factory 195 pf ammo.  Going down from a 14 to a 12.5 is a small jump for me.  I run a 10 pound in a 9mm with 130 pf ammo, 12.5 is the next step up from there.

A 16-17 pound spring is massive overkill for 150 PF ammo.  Maybe not enough to cause the gun to short stroke (but maybe), but like most factory guns, massively oversprung.  Literally the first thing I do when I get a 1911 is remove all the springs and replace them with lighter ones.  A stiffer spring stores more energy in both directions, which goes right into your wrists in recoil and slams the front sight down when the slide closes.

I just speak from experience and results. These combinations have won dozens of state, regional, national and world Wild Bunch championships. 
Your combinations? How did they do at EOT this year?

2 hours ago, El Chapo said:

The benefit to a lighter weight bullet is to get more slide speed at the same power factor.  150 pf is pretty low for 45 Auto.  I am going to try some 200 grain bullets this year for that same reason.

I have had much better luck with round nose bullets in my 1911s, so if my 200 grain SWCs don't have the reliability I'm hoping for, I will be shooting a true 230 grain round nose bullet, which is historically what I've shot in Wild Bunch.  I am going to be backing them down a bit as the ammunition I was shooting last year was loaded to ~170 pf.  I had backed it down some from my typical load but I'm going to lighter springs and a significantly lighter load this year and dropping down to a 12.5 pound recoil spring.  If you're shooting a stock 1911 with a 23 pound main and 16 pound recoil spring, you're going to want to load to a higher power factor, as the 1911 is designed for 195 power factor ammunition.

I recommend the fastest powder you have in inventory, in this case, Titegroup, although many people say not to use it with coated bullets.  I have not ever loaded Titegroup in anything so take this advice for what you paid for it.  I was using Clays powder last year, I may continue to do that if I have enough left or switch to Clean Shot or WST.

And if you are foolish enough to go down to the 12 1/2# recoil spring, stock up on firing pin springs. You will start breaking them.

Remember, if you speed up the slide in opening, you will slow its closing velocity. And vice versa. With a 230 at 725, a 16-17# spring combo is just about perfect.

1 hour ago, El Chapo said:

The benefit to a lighter weight bullet is to get more slide speed at the same power factor.  150 pf is pretty low for 45 Auto.  I am going to try some 200 grain bullets this year for that same reason.

I have had much better luck with round nose bullets in my 1911s, so if my 200 grain SWCs don't have the reliability I'm hoping for, I will be shooting a true 230 grain round nose bullet, which is historically what I've shot in Wild Bunch.  I am going to be backing them down a bit as the ammunition I was shooting last year was loaded to ~170 pf.  I had backed it down some from my typical load but I'm going to lighter springs and a significantly lighter load this year and dropping down to a 12.5 pound recoil spring.  If you're shooting a stock 1911 with a 23 pound main and 16 pound recoil spring, you're going to want to load to a higher power factor, as the 1911 is designed for 195 power factor ammunition.

I recommend the fastest powder you have in inventory, in this case, Titegroup, although many people say not to use it with coated bullets.  I have not ever loaded Titegroup in anything so take this advice for what you paid for it.  I was using Clays powder last year, I may continue to do that if I have enough left or switch to Clean Shot or WST.

From several thousands of rounds of testing, a 230 grain  at 725 fps is faster shot to shot than a 200 grain at 800+. The gun stays down and is less snappy. 

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2 hours ago, El Chapo said:

You guys are a bad influence.  I want to shoot classic now.  Someone needs to sell me another 73.

But no one wants to shoot that. I mean, after a year of planning to shoot sub caliber guns and having the classic rules announced less than two months before, still a third more shot Classic. 
Maybe that’s what people want…

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