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One of the most revered gun hacks, I mean gunsmiths, on the SASS wire hade cut a dove tail in this ‘73 barrel that the sight would not stay in. They had peened it and lock tighted it. Still it wouldn’t stay. I made an oversized sight with a bigger bead that has been working great for a couple years now. 

47 minutes ago, Deacon KC said:

That's the problem, it IS a dovetail cut! Driving us crazy.

And I LOVE that gold front sight!

I can make a sight to fit the dovetail.

J.J. That bead is 14 carat gold. And while I’ve put on hundreds of sights like you posted, from several makers, I’ve found the three dot setup to be less than ideal for wild bunch. Too busy. To each their own, though.
Without seeing your slide, yes, I would guess both front and rear dovetails would have to be milled.

I’ve found the round read to be a bit faster for Wild Bunch but the square bead I like better for precision. These are both 14 carat gold. Easily brightened up if they get dull. 

5 hours ago, Deacon KC said:

Okay, a word of warning. Rock Island's front sight slot is slightly bigger than most. We have been trying to get one fitted on a customer's gun and most standard front sights will not anchor securely without serious peening! Great guns, but this has turned out to be a royal pain to deal with.

I have 3 different widths of tenons but a dovetail is typically way better. It gives you a lot more options and stays in place.

I use a gold bead front sight that I make and U notch rear. Can post post pics a bit later. 

51 minutes ago, El Chapo said:

I don't own any Colts and I don't see myself ever owning one.  I don't really understand the appeal.  If I was shopping 50 years ago and that was what was available, it'd be different.

But a Colt will always hold its value. Everything else is, well, not a Colt.

4 minutes ago, Deplorable Dan said:

so the cap unscrews? is it clockwise or counter? lefty loosely?

Yes, the cap unscrews. They can be VERY tight.  I use a system engineered by the Winchester service department. It helps prevent slippage of the wrench and splitting of the fore end.

I have a way of repairing the stock that you will break other parts before it will break again. Does the fore end have three screws holding it on or is the nose cap slotted?

33 minutes ago, Deplorable Dan said:

I ordered the aftermarket follower/spring. I'll let you know how it goes. The buttstock has cracks on either side where it connects to the receiver. Anyone tried the Boyd's stocks?

Mine is currently wearing a set of the synthetic 3D printed "wood" furniture and I really want real wood. 

Your stock can be fixed as long as it’s all there.

23 minutes ago, Deplorable Dan said:

Really just the bluing on the receiver. No rust or pitting. I still am going to try to find an extra barrel to cut down so I can keep the original in stock form.

I saw a Featherweight barrel on eBay. I assume those won't work?

No, they will not. 

2 minutes ago, Deplorable Dan said:

Picked up the 97 and model 12 from my FFL today. The 97 looks to be rarely shot!. The Model 12 has a lot more wear but gives it character!

If it’s that worn, there’s no sense in not cutting the barrel.

6 minutes ago, Deplorable Dan said:

Being still very new to SASS I don't have any real hardline stances. Is it fun to hear the steel ring? You bet! does it suck to miss? Of course. 

I don't really get a say in how the range is set up so I shoot what is before me. 

I have been shooting steel for about a decade on my private property. I only buy/use AR500 steel so there is no denting and the targets remain smooth and flat and I maintain at least 10 yards of distance because that was what I had read was the safe minimum. I have never had a single issue.

Now that I have been shooting matches at a couple of clubs, I have gotten whacked a few times with lead shot and bullet fragments when I am spotting. Take that for what it's worth.

There is a reason the target manufactures say 10 yards…

On 10/31/2024 at 11:05 AM, Jorge said:

The real question is at what rifle and pistol distances, with appropriate targets, would people NOT return to shoot a match?  I have witnessed people not returning to a venue due to targets (small) and distance (beyond even former guidelines).

 

And being a shooter, I’d not return to a match because the targets were too close and dangerous before I’d not go to because I had a miss or two. 
But hey, if you can shoot, you can shoot. If you can’t well, you complain because the targets are too small or too far. 

On 10/31/2024 at 11:05 AM, Jorge said:

So, Less than ten yards is UNSAFE, according to manufacturers.  So, basically ALL CAS matches and many WBAS matches are unsafe.  

Did they comment on target size, distance from the ground and support mechanism, or was this just a blanket statement to "cover?"  Was it jacketed, lead, or all bullets?

 

The real question is at what rifle and pistol distances, with appropriate targets, would people NOT return to shoot a match?  I have witnessed people not returning to a venue due to targets (small) and distance (beyond even former guidelines).

 

Does it really matter? When you’re standing there in front of a judge and he says “the target manufacturer said no closer than ten yards and you put them at three feet?”

Well… Having discussed this with all of the major steel target manufacturers in the country, they all say no less than ten yards for pistol targets.

My suggestion is ten to fifteen yards for pistol targets. 

1 hour ago, Totes Magoats said:

... on life support.

I hope the changes save it.

 

Totes

It’s odd that every year until this year after the changes, Winter Range and EOT sold out. Had a cap and a waiting list. While cowboy attendance steadily declined. All you have to do is look at the final match results. 

1 hour ago, Totes Magoats said:

It's going to take a little time.  Many hate the precision pistol matches that WB turned into.  Once they see the setup of the way WB will be ran at clubs, more will participate.  

I talked to many at Land Run this year that have never shot WB at LR before.  They are already planning to shoot it next year.  Time will tell.

What I don't understand is how allowing .38 rifles and non-pump shotguns hurt the game.  It has no impact on how purist WB shooters shoot the match, they can still use the .40+ rifles and model 12's.  If they are worried about SxS shooters and .38 rifle shooters beating them, they have bigger issues they need to work on.

 

Totes

You just backed up my argument. While I have never been to a Wild Bunch match that was a “precision pistol match”, they should be more challenging. Not bump the barn door sized target with your muzzle and pull the trigger. 
Changing the guns is not the problem. Making it cowboy with a 1911 is. 
If I were to go to the cowboy wire and throw a tantrum because I can’t shoot my .38s in Classic Cowboy what would happen? Everyone would go into vapors! Over a costume category… Just a costume category…

Wild Bunch was a stand alone shooting sport.

Stick with the 230. If you have to make power factor, the 230 at 700 fps is quicker split times between shots than a 200 at 800 fps. Also, softer recoil. 

5 hours ago, Totes Magoats said:

Really? Any data to back that up?  Maybe, just maybe it's that type of thinking that's drove people away from Wild Bunch.  If Wild Bunch matches were written for those 99%, it would probably have the following/participation as Cowboy matches do today.

 

Totes

Why do you think they had to take the rule out of the rule book about a match DQ if the bullet struck within 5 yards of the shooter? When you can’t hit a barn door sized target more than 5 yards away…

And l beg to differ on that’s the reason for lack of attendance. After the recent rule changes, attendance should have skyrocketed, right? Well, it didn’t. EOT was down. Land Run was down. It didn’t draw shooters. It just ran off more dedicated shooters. The numbers don’t lie. All one needs to do is look at the match results. 

6 hours ago, Doc Holloman said:

Before you buy a 12, check the manufacture date by the serial number,  Early ones wee chambered for 2 1/2 inch shells.  Actually, early 97s were as well.

 

All 12 ga Model 12s were 2 3/4”. Except for Heavy Duck which were 3”. There were no short chambered 12 ga.

15 hours ago, Doc Holloman said:

One rule change I hope that the TGs take up is allowing Model 12s in 20 gauge.  We now allow SxS 20ga guns so the Model 12 should not be too objectionable.(The 97 was never made in 20ga.)

As for a 20 ga, remember parts are about 10 harder to find than 12 ga. For every 20 gauge made, there was probably 100 12 gauges. Most all the parts will not interchange.

When Model 12 hunting, do NOT get a 3” Heavy Duck gun. I have not been able to make them run with 2 3/4” shells. As previously mentioned, the Lightweight versions don’t hold 6 shells. All Model 12s are takedowns and all will slam fire. 
I see some dealers advertise like those are super rare features.

11 hours ago, CC Moonshine said:

Awesome ! That's great that you jumped into WB, thanks to the new rules, I'm glad you got to try WB with your 87 !

Now that you know you like it, yes a Model 12 would be perfect for WB. 

Definitely a good option once you find one. Boggus doesn't care much for me, but he has good gun parts. 😂

Good luck and welcome,

CC Moonshine

CC,

First, thank you for the kind words. I appreciate it very much. Truly. 
Second, I don’t know you well enough personally to like or dislike. I just don’t like or agree with things you’ve said and done. 
Two different things.

Boggus