-
Posts
834 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
117
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Everything posted by Garrison Joe
-
New Model 12 -- same old questions
Garrison Joe replied to C.N. Double's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
And make sure to keep it canted over to the left. good luck, GJ -
New Model 12 -- same old questions
Garrison Joe replied to C.N. Double's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
Generally those 3" chambered duck gun Model 12s are avoided like the plague in WB. Sorry, but it's been true for a long time. Lots of parts swapping tried, and as far as I ever heard, none really improved the feeding reliability or the speed. But if someone has cracked the nut on this problem, I'd like to hear about it too. :) good luck, GJ -
That's a Winchester Model 12 with a vent rib. Nothing I see that makes it illegal - unless that's a fluorescent red bead at the muzzle. More complete picture might show something else. Rule on page 13 of WB Shooter Handbook If it's not one of those colors, it may be replaced pretty easily. Don't see a heat shield or bayonet lug... don't know what the talk here about Trench Guns is about. good luck, GJ
-
The parts-condition rules for a Traditional pistol are on page 5. Here's a very specific rule that pertains to your question: My interpretation of "the back of the sight" is that would be the whole back surface of the sight. Perhaps a Rules Committee member would care to comment. If the sight just "shows normal wear" that has removed bluing at the top of the sight, I doubt it would be considered an illegal modification. So, I'd give it a pragmatic view, and say it's good to go, without having seen it. But then, I've run local matches and shot in big ones, but not run the big ones. If you tune your gun to a typical 160 power factor load, the bullet weight won't matter much for your spring selections. And for a 160 power factor, I have found a lot of tuners (like Wilson) usually say a 15 pound recoil spring and a 19 pound main spring is a good balanced match. Remember that most factory 1911s (ones not intentionally set up for high power levels) are tuned to factory hard ball PF levels - 230 grains at 825 FPS or so, or about 190 PF. For that, Colt and several other makers install a 16 pound recoil and a 23 pound main spring when building guns. Why reduce the mainspring weight when reducing the PF and the recoil spring? Consider how those two springs are used. The mainspring is providing the major resistance to the slide moving back (more than the recoil spring, which is kind of the weak assistant during rearward travel). Really, the recoil spring is mostly storing enough energy to shove the slide forward to strip the top cartridge off the magazine and shove it upward and forward into the chamber reliably. Meanwhile, the mainspring is storing energy for the hammer fall that will come later. And, some slide energy is used up when the fired case hits the ejector, too. On forward motion of the slide, the main spring does nothing (it stays compressed until the hammer falls). The recoil spring is what drives the slide forward. So, when you reduce the PF in wild bunch ammo to 160 or slightly more (staying away from the absolute minimum of 150 provided by the ammo rules), the slide will be moving backward with less energy. To prevent a short slide travel that could fail to cock the hammer (or even fail to eject the case cleanly), the mainspring is commonly reduced somewhat. Testing shows, one can reduce mainspring weight to about 19 pounds in a smoothly running gun, with the mainspring housing honed to avoid wasting energy rubbing against the typically rough bore of the mainspring channel. And the reduction of the mainspring reduces trigger pull slightly. And the recoil spring can be reduced just a little, so drop it to 15 pounds. Safe to do since there is a fair amount of rearward slide speed reduction when the PF is dropped to 160. The lighter recoil spring AND mainspring reduces the effort needed to rack the slide, too. Along with radiusing the bottom of the firing pin retainer plate. The recoil spring still has to do the same amount of work to run the slide forward, so it does not drop as fast as the mainspring weight drops. You get into a balancing act with the two springs. Just dropping recoil spring weight lessens the reliability of going into battery well. Just dropping mainspring weight lets slide come back too fast and batters the hammer/sear engagement point and possibly the frame. Is there a quick way to see when you have a good spring-weight pair? I follow recommendations I've seen on Wilson and a couple of other sites. Clean up any fired cases on the range around your firing position. Load a full mag of your intended loads when you have gun smoothed like you want. Firm grip, using your intended shooting style. Fire until gun empties. Should see no failures to eject and no failures to feed and no failure to cock hammer. And last round should lock slide open firmly, not just hanging on edge of slide release engagement. Fired cases closer than 5 feet => often springs are resisting rearward motion too much (mostly the mainspring is heavy, but if one is reduced, consider reducing both) Fired cases farther than about 15 feet => spring set is too light and cases are being flung out with abandon. Go to a heavier set of springs. Free related failure troubleshooting experiences follow. Fired cases are dinging the mouth => extractor nose shape or ejector length isn't quite right to push the case out the middle of the ejection port Failures to eject - check ejector first. Then extractor tension. Failures to strip out of magazine - check magazine and magazine follower first (I use Tripp as a standard magazine) Jams going up feed ramp (3 point failures) - here, several things can be the source of problems. Subject of discussions galore on 1911 sites. But check magazine and mag spring first. Jams just short of going into battery - check ammo first, second and third. Then look at too tight a radius on break over from barrel ramp to chamber. A really good 1911 and spring maintenance guide is found in one of Wilson's videos: Including spring change out intervals. And, of course, these are guides I find to be useful on fairly smooth, tight Colt 1911s. Your gun will vary from that "legacy standard". Your goals in how the gun runs will vary. My goals are: Reliability - especially feeding and chambering and magazine operation Good trigger pull at about 3.5 pounds, breaking cleanly and consistently Sight visibility at speed. All the rest - doesn't matter anywhere near as much, even accuracy, but who doesn't love an accurate gun? good luck, GJ
-
Boggus Deal (a top shooter here) does excellent 1911 gunsmithing. Search the Member List for his contact info. I had my Series 70 Colt slide dovetailed, and a custom tall front sight fabricated, and a 10-8 National Match (legacy) rear fixed sight installed by Mars Armament, a smith shop in Salt Lake City. They also have done tuning suitable to ensure the gun runs 100% reliably. They were slammed by work in 2020 and may be back to accepting and completing 1911 work now. Top notch, but rather pricey. https://marsguns.com/ Recently made Colt Series 70 guns ship with pretty good, Traditional legal, sights already. But, I would highly recommend a dovetailed front sight. My 1911 lost a tall staked front sight after a professional installation was done. Tall sights just are harder to keep on the slide than original heights with their lighter weight. The dovetail, if done to one of the standard dimensions, allows you to easily change over to a different configuration quickly. Be careful to review the allowed modifications and replacement parts configurations that are within the rather tight window for a Traditional pistol. A standard Colt Government style gun (or Springfield, Ruger, Remington, RIA, etc) with * a beveled magazine entry (no added "well"), * no checkering or serrations on front strap, trigger guard or slide, * military-spec shapes and sizes on hammer, safety, grip safety, * fixed sights in solid color, blue, black, or natural colored steel/stainless (may be polished). No dots, beads, inserts, glow devices, etc.) * and a well tuned "duty" weight trigger are about all that is really needed most of the time. Gun tuned to run perfectly with "light hardball" lead ammo, at a power factor of about 160. Gun weight cannot exceed 40 ounces with empty magazine. good luck, GJ
-
Pretty common stage design. Rules cover the situation, and shooter is expected to be able to follow the rules. good luck, GJ
-
Hotel Recommendations for Winter Range 2022
Garrison Joe replied to Back 40's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
I gave up on hotels in Phoenix at MLB Spring Training time. and have stayed at AirBNB houses last three times I went to WR. If you are careful about reading descriptions, you can find houses about 5 miles or less drive, that are friendly to Ben Avery competitors. There are several cheap, non-major-name hotels around the northwest Phoenix area that are just horrible. Essentially week-by-week noisy apartments. And lots of vehicle break-ins reported by WR competitors at any hotel when vehicles have any hint they have firearms in them. Hard to say it, but if you want a hotel, go with "Big Names" that EOT website calls out, and take an extra arm and leg and don't leave stuff in the vehicle. good luck, GJ -
This page might help show the small adjustment that is usually required to prevent bites https://www.theboxotruth.com/educational-zone-45-fixing-hammer-bite-on-a-1911/
-
You gotta have a spur on the hammer to be a legal Traditional hammer. That kinda eliminates "bobbing" as far as I understand the definition of bobbing. I've not seen anyone yet get a "more precise" description of minimal size allowed than what is in the handbook. good luck, GJ
-
I shoot a Colt Govt Model 70 traditional. Flat mainspring doesn't let the web of hand move down enough. The longer (dimension away from the safety's pin) grip safety from A1 does help quite a bit. But the best solution is to take a little metal off the top of the grip safety and bottom of hammer spur until the hammer, at full slide recoil, leaves a quarter inch of air gap, or more if you have more skin to get in the way. Leaves the hammer in the same overall dimensions, just removes the interference. When my gun was new, the hammer spur would come back far enough to touch the grip safety, leaving a ding. You can see how that is an automatic bite if there's skin in the way. good luck, GJ
-
You haven't seen enough BAMM shot. I use a 1907 style leather sling and find it improves my shooting a lot. All positions, unless we are shooting a bench rest event. good luck, GJ
-
A cheap Harbor Freight chop saw with an abrasive blade to get within about 10 thousands of the final length of 0.898" Drilled a couple of half-inch holes in a block of oak to hold the cases while chopping off. Then a Lyman case trimmer to do that last little bit of trimming to length. Can trim about 3-4 a minute that way. Then a hand reaming tool to bevel inside and outside the mouth. With a power case processing tool, those steps would be even faster. good luck, GJ
-
More folks on the Cowboy wire will have that brass. But it's rather rare to find someone selling it. I used to use the Starline special production C45Spl brass. Now I just trim off old .45 Colt cases. Lasts longer. I make as many as I want. good luck, GJ
-
The app states "Side Matches the afternoon of the 27th" From that statement, no shooting seems to happen before noon on the 27th. And the main match is on Saturday and Sunday, the 28th and 29th. good luck, GJ
-
TEXAS DOUGHBOYS are proud to present BAMMBALOOZA 21’
Garrison Joe replied to Greased Lightnin's topic in Wild Bunch Matches
You folks gonna require shooters run the Garands with lead/gas checked only? Or with jacketed slugs? Any velocity limitations, regardless of whatever bullets are allowed? Just a hint - it will be tough enough running the Garands with lead bullets....and especially tough if you have a fairly low maximum velocity limit as well. good luck, GJ -
A fine crew, I can tell even from afar. And a super fine match, humidity excepted - sorta like shooting in the Philippines, I would guess. Congrats to all you match honchos! Wish I coulda been there. good luck, GJ
-
Medium size hands. Shoot Traditional. For me, the flat mainspring housing brings sights up on target from draw. An arched housing puts front sight too high. And a medium length trigger puts my trigger finger pad properly on the trigger face without reaching for it. good luck, GJ
-
Ahlman's Gunshop in Minnesota might have parts. Since that was Coyote Cap's family shop. Outlaw Gambler may have parts. Send a message on the SASS cowboy wire to him. Shell not coming out of magazine tube: Check first that the carrier is clearing the end of the tube when fully lowered. Check that tube is seated well in receiver. Check for rough edges and poor fit and anything catching rim of shell as it transitions from tube to carrier. Weak spring or spring that has been shortened too much. Dirty mag tube or follower, bent or dinged tube or follower, unlubricated (I use Boeshield T9, some others use Eez-ox) Can certainly be shell stops that don't open enough to let shell out of mag. If shell comes out a little but stops before carrier picks it up, could be sticky/dirty/gummed up shell stops. good luck, GJ
-
#1 - you need to provide more description to get much help. But, if the nose of the round is stabbing into the back end of the barrel instead of starting in, you need to look at what causes the carrier to be in the wrong spot as the bolt starts forward. #2 - dirty shell stops, or worn springs on the shell stops, usually. They open to let the shell out of mag but don't snap closed to hold the NEXT round in the mag tube. A very common problem with Chinese 97s. good luck, GJ
-
What model 1911 do you like/use for WB?
Garrison Joe replied to Doc Holloman's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
Mag release is not normally a hard problem to solve. If you have a quality release in the gun now, take it out and look for a rounded top to the projection that fits into the magazine's retention slot. That tab should be flat and have almost a sharp edge, but no burrs. Install just release without it's spring and lock screw. It should push through the frame to right without dragging until the "keyhole" flat projects out of the frame by the thickness of a quarter. It should push back to the left through the frame without dragging until the release button sits in it's normal position, and the surface of the keyhole end is flat with frame. The spring should not be kinked. The release lock screw probably needs a new part put in - the one the factory put in mine looked like it was machined with a dremel (or a chainsaw). Wolff has a set of five decreasing strength release button springs. That kit is worth having. Like this part kit from Brownells: https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/magazine-release-parts/magazine-release-springs/1911-auto-reduced-power-mag-catch-spring-prod16540.aspx The strongest spring in the kit is a factory strength spring. Reassemble release. Take a marker and color around the retention slot of a mag that does not always stay in the gun. Hold the release fully pressed in. Seat an empty mag up in the well while making sure the release doesn't back out until the mag is fully seated. THEN let go of mag release button a couple of times. Take mag out with button pushed in again. Look for marks in the marker paint above the retention slot on the mag indicating that the mag is not getting fully up to the catch of the release. If no marks, then load a mag with dummy rounds (or live rounds if you will pay close attention), mark the mag wall around slot again, and repeat the seating and release button cycling a few times. You still should see no marks in the dye on the mag. If you see marks where the release is touching the mag wall instead of slipping into the slot, the frame could be mis-machined and needs some serious troubleshooting. And, have you had another shooter fire your gun to check if you might be riding the mag release button with one of your two thumbs? If they don't have the release let off unexpectedly, it really could be your technique. good luck, GJ -
What model 1911 do you like/use for WB?
Garrison Joe replied to Doc Holloman's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
I have an early RIA 1911 that has a very poorly machined trigger raceway. My gun has too shallow raceway for the trigger stirrup, which binds up the release of a magazine about half the time. Find a real 1911 smith to check trigger, raceways, disconnector, and sear spring pressure on the trigger. Having to pull the slide back to reset trigger says the disconnector could be involved in this problem. Easiest fix, and strongly recommended, is get to a more normal action shooting trigger pull. A 3 lb. trigger pull is, IMHO, too light for reliable operation in 1911, and not needed for WB. 4 lb. is about as light as I set a 1911 trigger, but it's a real crisp and clean break. Light sear spring pressure on the back of the trigger (something that is often done in an attempt to lighten trigger pull) gives you very little trigger reset force. Yes, you need a good smith to work this gun over. Send it to Boggus Deal if you don't have someone closer! good luck, GJ -
Yeah, it's usually hard to find stuff when fewer folks are working and lots of people are starting to do a new hobby all at the same time. At this point in time, it's reloading supplies and equipment. Set aside your bulged cases and fix 'em later when you can find an FCD in stock. Or post a WTB request for the Lee FCD die in the Classifieds. good luck (really), GJ
-
Exactly the same as I replied to you before. Bulge busting is needed to remove those failures to gauge. If those failures to gauge are not concerning to you, and they feed ok, then you can take the risk of shooting them. Personally, I don't. I fix the loads with the Lee Bulge Buster/FCD die with stem removed combination, until they do case gauge. I prefer to have the gauge reject more than my 1911 barrels. Makes me sure the gun will not jam on ammo. 8% is close to the failures to gauge when I load random range brass the first time. good luck, GJ
-
So, call the SASS office tomorrow. Most everybody else gets registered. You could have the messages going into spam folder in your email. Or you could have email address slightly wrong when you created the SASS Wire account. Or one of probably a hundred other things. The office will get someone to troubleshoot why. good luck, GJ
-
Asking about a "WTB double barrel" on the SASS classifieds will most likely get you a lot more attention than over here where the sport doesn't use SxSs. Here's the spot: https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/forum/14-sass-wire-classifieds/ good luck, GJ