Flying W Ramrod

In February, I asked this question of Misty and was told the penalty is for leaving an empty or loaded round "in the chamber", and would be clarified in the next update. Thinking this clarification might have gotten lost during the past few, hectic, months.

It was changed to ensure the side by side shooters would have to open and, attempt, to clear their shotgun.

SHB 17.4, 4/10/24, PG 17 Shotgun Gauges "Side-by-side, single shot, and lever action shotguns must be centerfire of at least 20 gauge and no larger the 10 gauge."

Pretty much answers the question. As 16 gauge is between 20 and 10 it's good to go.

If you stage the shotgun with the hammer cocked, you cannot rack it without pulling the trigger.

During the course of fire, the shooter moves to the staged shotgun and tries to rack it, and it will not rack, the shooter should be told to pull the trigger. If the trigger goes click, and then able to rack, it's still a SDQ for not following loading/unloading table procedures.

That never changed.

The only thing changed is you, no longer, have to pull the trigger before staging the shotgun.

7 hours ago, Abe E.S. Corpus said:

I guess that makes sense in that a break action shotgun cannot be cycled.

I don’t like this.  It penalizes the shooters who have purchased the pump action shotguns around which the game is based.  This penalty should only be applicable to doubles or single shot shotguns.

As stated before. Contact your WBTG and start the ball rolling.

10 hours ago, Abe E.S. Corpus said:

When WBAS went to the requirement that the long gun be “cycled” at the end of the string (enough to cock the hammer), there was no penalty for a fired case or hull left in the chamber.  That meant the shooter was not penalized for a failure to extract, or in the event an extracted case or hull fell back into the chamber.

I’m hoping that this change was not intentional but was the result of cutting and pasting between Handbooks in an effort to make the games more consistent.

I got used to the philosophy of getting rid of unnecessary penalties.  That said, I do my best to understand, apply, and play by the rules as they change from time to time.

it was changed due to allowing break action shotguns. This makes the break action shotgun users open their shotguns and shuck the hulls as opposed to just discarding the closed, or open, shotgun and moving on.

Stand by for clarifications. Contact your WBTG to get the changes you want started.

13 hours ago, Blastin Brad said:

That was true in the past, but as of the Feb 24 rules listing, page 22: Long guns will be emptied and discarded with their barrels pointed safely downrange. This condition may be corrected on the clock, prior to the next round being fired. If the long gun is not discarded empty prior to the next firearm being fired, only the shooter may return to open and/or clear the firearm at the end of the stage under the observation of the TO. Should an empty casing/hull be ejected or found in the action or chamber, or a live round on the carrier of an open action, a Minor Safety Violation (MSV) will be assessed. However, if the action is opened, and a live/unfired round is ejected, a Stage DQ (SDQ) will be assessed for a long gun with a “live round under a cocked hammer having left the shooter’s hands”. In this case, there is no opportunity to correct this condition before firing the next firearm, as the penalty takes effect upon leaving the shooter’s hands.

Clarification was made. A round, empty or live, in the chamber is a SDQ, a live or expended round on the carrier or in the magazine is still a no call.

11 hours ago, Frederick Jackson Turner said:

I'd like to come to this match.  Which WB rules will be in place?  I'd like to bring along the proper kit!

Cheers,

FJT

Bring, and shoot, what you want. We'll find a category for you.

53 minutes ago, Doc Holloman said:

Anyone know the answer to this:  Will the new rules list Teddy Roosevelt and Doughboy as regular Wild Bunch categories?  Misty's announcement appears to say that, but a posting about EOT could be read to mean that has been changed.

Which  came out latest, the EOT posting or the new Handbook? If the Handbook is the newest, it takes precedence over the EOT posting. I believe.

Two weeks before EOT.

Cowtown Range, 30 minutes from EOT

2024-WILD-BUNCH-STATE-APP.pdf (ccsa-az.com)

10 hours ago, Misty Moonshine said:

The new version of the WBAS SHB will be released within a week. The updated materials and rules will be what is taught. 

 

Misty

Thanks Misty

5 hours ago, Abe E.S. Corpus said:

With the changes announced by SASS being effective January 1, 2024 I expected to see a new Handbook by now.

It would be nice if the WBAS Handbook would incorporate the changes to the CAS rules that are still out for TG voting.

The handbooks, usually, come out after Jan 1.

I don't know why the WBAS handbook would incorporate the changes to the CAS rules. Different sport, different rules.

8 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

The current rules plus the analysis changes, and any new rules that come out prior to the class, yes.

Let me be more specific, in case the attorneys and provocateurs become pestilent.

SASS Wild Bunch Shooters Handbook 16.3 of January 2022 will be the rules taught.

SASS Wild Bunch Action Shooting Analysis and Action Plan of November 2023, will also be incorporated into the class.

If there is a new SASS Wild Bunch Shooters Handbook issued before the class, that will be used to teach the class.

Any further questions?

9 hours ago, wyliefox said:

Will this class be using the Yet-To-Be-Released new materials?

The current rules plus the analysis changes, and any new rules that come out prior to the class, yes.

SASS will be holding a Wild Bunch RO Class at EOT in 2024.

Wednesday, 28 February 2024

Held in the Berger Building

Sign in 8:00

Class starts 8:30

First timers $25.00

Refresh $10.00

Bring Lunch/snacks, drinks, and pencil

Contact Flying W Ramrod at ramrodwayne@gmail.com for more info or to register.

Don't forget.

Wild Bunch RO Class, Friday February 23 at Cowtown Range Classroom Building.

20 minutes from EOT's Ben Avery Range.

First timers $25.00

Refreshers $10.00

Class starts at 8:00am

Contact Flying W Ramrod at ramrodwayne@gmail.com for more info.

See you on the range.

4 hours ago, wyliefox said:

Respectfully I disagree.

It is the reason to have skilled TO's.  Why would a state match or higher want a adequate-at-best TO? 

BTW I am not commenting on allowing 38SPL.  That is for a separate post..

The only way "rifle may not be last" will happen is if .38's are allowed. 

The ability of the TO is NOT the issue here.

10 hours ago, wyliefox said:

IMHO, rifle not last is an indication that the TO needs replacing.

TO's do your job!!!  hold the timer to pick-up the rounds.

Our club has a few shooters that use 38SPL mouse-farts in rifle (including me).  By holding the timer correctly they are ALL recorded.

I have seen many TO's holding the timer low and away from the shooter.  Really!!  Yeah, mouse-farts will NOT be recorded.

Which is one of the reasons why the .38 should not be allowed at state or higher matches 

46 minutes ago, Silvertip said:

Hello Norfleet yes that holster obviously is fine but I have seen a lot that don’t cover the trigger guard.

ST

mine doesn't. The Queen's doesn't and it's a mernickle rig.

Lots of them don't.

Folks, concerning the "Condition 1" idea.

Every shooting sport, that utilizes Condition 1 to start, require the holster cover the entire trigger guard.

This is to keep the finger off the trigger when drawing your pistol

If we go Condition 1, everyone will have to get a new holster.

Just FYI

11 hours ago, C.N. Double said:

 

Looks like EoT 2024 might be my last SASS Wild Bunch™ match.

Come to the Arizona State Shoot at Cowtown in February. It's not SASS sanctioned either.

J Frank

can't open this.

I downloaded it from the chronicle email and it's in .pdf.

Here it is in .pdf

SASS WBAS 2023-2024 FINAL.pdf

Any Land Run WB score out there?

8 hours ago, Smokewagon Grampies said:

I can use the Ed Brown magazine trade In and buy 7 or 8 round magazines. I would prefer 8 round mags but I just want to make sure they are legal.

Thank

Smokewagon 

I use Ed Browns. Love them.
Kingsnake sells them and will engrave your alias on the edge so they can be returned to you. Although it took a year for me to get one back from a match, I did get it back 😄