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The chrono procedures and guidelines as well as other info on weighing bullets etc. WAS in the Older MD guides. I know I wrote them.

Man I really like this rig!!!

In my view we should keep traditional with the 45 ACP 1911 and the 40 plus caliber rifle and not move it down to the 83 cal rifle and or the 9mm 1911 pistol. The lighter power factor reduces recoil and presents an unfair advantage against the traditional 45 ACP or Colt and its power factor. I agree we need to bring more participants over to wild bunch and I would rather see us allow the 38 rifle and the 9mm 1911 as part of the modern category. This would allow new shooters to get their feet wet in the sport and decide if they want to move over to traditional. We don't need more categories we just need to keep traditional as such, allowing the new commers that don't have the 45 1911 nor the 40 cal rifle to enter through the modern category. Once they get the flavor they will want to move up to the bigger bore.

WHY??? Are they also going to eliminate Doughboy?

Is SASS Wild Bunch Action Shooting really Cowboy Action Shooting with a 1911? My introduction to the 1911 was with my local SASS clubs, High Plains Drifters and ROOP. I was new to SASS and was really enjoying the change from IDPA. My local clubs arranged to have Sutter Lawman teach a local Wild Bunch RO class. This was 10+ years ago. I recall him stating several times that WB is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. Towards the end of the course, he mentioned that he was working with the WB Committee for a rule change. Currently the WB magazines were limited to holding only FIVE rounds. Evidently when WB started it was a side match using the stages from Cowboy, therefore five rounds to match Cowboy stage descriptions. Hmmm, sounds like Cowboy with a 1911 to me? Soon after the WB Committee did change the round count from five to the current seven. Ah, I am thinking, breaking away from Cowboy **. Ok, enough of the history lesson. Two years ago, SASS was very concerned about the profitability of Wild Bunch. There were many opinions, as far as I am concerned it does not matter. There was/is a goal to increase participation, GREAT!!!! My thoughts. Retain the WB Category structure of several years ago and create a new category, “Open”. In Open category any caliber 1911 is allowed. Any Cowboy rifle and shotgun are allowed (including Model 12). Power factor of 150 for both pistols and rifle. What??? Yes, 150. 38’s (.357) are available at 158+ grains and higher which keeps speed below 1000 fps, also 9 mm at 160 grains (Bear Creek & Bayou). This keeps with the concept that Wild Bunch is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. For those shooters that want to shoot their 105 grain 38 SPL, I say this is "Wild Bunch, NOT Cowboy with a 1911" **. What another category??? Noooooo you say!! OK then using the above suggestion for power factor allow 9mm and any legal cowboy long gun in the Modern Category. Return Traditional to the way it was several years ago, 40 caliber and higher, pump shotgun. Still not convinced, very sad I say **. At least LEAVE Traditional alone as it is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. You want Cowboy with a 1911 then mess with Modern. My suggestions do not EXCLUDE anyone and retains some history of SASS Wild Bunch Action Shooting. ** BTW from slide #4 of the WBAS course: However, there are distinct differences between the 2 disciplines, and it is important to remember that WBAS was not developed to be, nor is it to be presented as “CAS with a 1911”.

We don't need more categories we just need to keep traditional as such, allowing the new commers that don't have the 45 1911 nor the 40 cal rifle to enter through the modern category. Once they get the flavor they will want to move up to the bigger bore. Please talk to your WBTG

Kirkpatrick are by far the best. Check with Taylor’s & Co.

The concern for the powerfactor is more about the timers. Wild Bunch stage writing has a leg up in that previously we could shoot stages ending on the rifle. In wide open stages/ranges it has been found to be inconsistent timer pick up of rifle shots, especially as we see .38 rifles with a lower report than .22s. A consistent PF also makes use of KD targets easier for a MD to calibrate. I would say that moving rifle targets back makes low PF self correcting, but we are in a thread about Cowboy with 1911.

Well picked up a William's receiver sight for the Savage. Holes match up in the receiver, so tomorrow I'm going to mount it on the rifle, even though it's still on layaway! Pics once mounted.

Very handsome!

Prolly sold after 2 years! 😉

Great policy for you. Won't help grow the game, though, if you have any concern there. Won't help keep older folks shooting as joint pain creeps into their lives. And gets SASS into a nanny role on reloading. good luck, GJ

I'm right handed, I thought the belt was for a lefty but it's not. It's designed to be buckled in the back which up until I put my 2023 state championship buckle on it, I didn't like that. Now I can buckle it in the back with almost no trouble with the new buckle on it. I've spent some time drawing and doing mag changes and wow this is so much better than the rig I made from old duty gear I've been using for 5 years! I've cut 2-3 seconds off my mag change times! Man I love this set up!

Mine is. Just about every male WB Shooter I know is in the back. Makes it easier to place you holster and mag pouches.

Now if they colored the brass, say purple, when they had small primers - that would be fine 🙂

That rig is set up for the buckle in the back.

Try using shorter shells - 2 1/2 or less. B*P has had (10 years ago) a light load with a 2.5" shell. Or reload for a short shell. good luck, GJ (Six shotshells, each saving 1/2 inch, saves you a total of 3" - enough for that 6th round to fit!)

They are eliminating Teddy Roosevelt from main match categories.