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I may not have the extensive shooting experience or resume of others on this thread, but, having timed it on numerous occasions, there is slightly more than a 1/2 second advantage for me on a 10 shot string, using my .38/357 rifle and loads. Over 10 stages that is quite significant. YMMV. Cheers, FJT

This is a forum, not an airport. There's no need to announce your departure.

Plenty of us are thrilled about allowing .38 rifles. Count me as one of them. I never shot Wild Bunch and had no intention of buying a bigger rifle just to do it. Now it's become one of my favorite shooting sports. The rule of .40 or larger never made any sense and the power factor means nothing. If anyone took their ball and went home because .38s get to play, there will be plenty to replace them.

Now,now, boys!!!

What was the basis for that call?

MSV was called. There was discussion on how the pistol got into the position. Should be SDQ. As for the finger at the start. I had it pinned to the top front side of the trigger guard where it meets the frame. Totes

Broke the 170, SDQ Hard to see at the start, what about the finger on the trigger while racking the slide?

Don't have my load data readily available but I've had great success with TightGroup.

Out of what powders you have, TiteGroup will run the 1911 better over a wide range of loads. The best 1911 powders IME, and also classics, are WST, Unique and Bullseye. good luck, GJ

7 in the top 10 were shooting .38s 12 in the top 20 were shooting .38s

Spent many years blacksmithing on steel. You hit a piece of steel 28 times x 20 shooters, the steel reacts differently than hitting it 8 times x 20 shooters. Don't believe it? Grab a piece of 3/8 steel, ar or not, and hit it 460 times and hit another 160 times. Then do this 12 more times. See what the steel tells you. Steel doesn't lie.

Really? Can you show me the numbers? EOT was the most attended. Landrun, when they actually accept WB will be next. Bordertown, for a side match, sells out.

Chapo, it seems you are correct about my assumptions from last night! I spent the afternoon at the range again and frankly, now I think the main problem is Limp Wrist syndrome. today, both handguns locked up on me multiple times using my reloads. But Wait it happened again when I used the commercial rounds and I noticed a more significant muzzle flip. As I’ve said in earlier posts, the 1911 is a brand new platform for me and getting data on my reloads led me to use a pistol rest such that I could position my Athlon chrono right under the muzzle. So I reloaded all of the bad rounds into a mag and assumed the correct position and my Ruger and then my Taurus ate every round and 150 more without another issue. As such, I apparently wasn’t necessarily supporting the pistol properly and noticed how much my wrist was flexing with the heavier recoil from the commercial loadsIt seems that this recoil operated monster can’t handle a limp wrist

Apples and oranges. Max fps is 1000 and 1400 for SASS. A 230 at 1000fps 28 times has more effect on the surface than a 200 at 1400 8 times. Basic metalurgy.

It's not a PF issue. The main reason SASS wanted an Open category, years ago, was to draw other, cowboy, shooters into WB. WB was not bringing in the revenue spent on awards etc. CAS shooters, who have now started shooting WB, didn't want to have to get a new rifle and shotgun. The cost of the guns for the amount of matches offered, didn't pencil out. So SASS had to change things up and, in so doing, eliminated the PF for all rifles to allow .38's to play. Add in the '87 and SxS shotgun, more shooters could afford to play WB. Enough WB shooters wanted the "big bore" rifles and pump shotgun, SASS decided to bring that back as "Classic". Kinda funny, if the "powers that were" had just allowed an "open" category, none of this would have ever happened. Rifle PF is only in Classic. As far as clubs using rifle PF as a reason to not shoot WB, I say BS. 150pf for pistol is more damaging to a target, because of 28+ rounds vs 7-10, it's just a reason they want to complain.

No No NO. If they want to shoot under 150, for rifle, shoot wild bunch aka mild bunch aka wild bunch lite. But the range/club should understand 150pf for pistol stays. period.dot. It's not the Rifle PF that kept shooters away from WB, it's the cost of the equipment. Just about everyone has, or had, access to a single stack 1911. It was the shotgun and large caliber rifle that scared, potential, shooters away. Not the rifle PF. Now that there is WB for those who don't have, or want to get, the shotgun and rifle, and Classic for those who do. Again, Rifle PF has nothing to do with it.

Yours were edited because you were wrong, called out on it and then you edited them. You do remember I have screen shots of your original posts….

Looked up the applicable rule in the handbook. Page 13 under 1911 Pistol Modern Category Modifications good luck, GJ

All it takes is one SASS Sanctioned Match to start it and watch it snowball.

Bring all rifle power factor back to 150

Tall John, You will notice that some posts are all edited because they are originally wrong and googled based, not experience and success based.

From several thousands of rounds of testing, a 230 grain at 725 fps is faster shot to shot than a 200 grain at 800+. The gun stays down and is less snappy.

AW & GJ sorry for the misunderstanding. I posted the above for information only. Since I shoot primarily small primer brass, I have been asked if there is a difference in velocity. While I felt that small primer brass lowered the velocity, I had never compared them side by side. My only fallacy in the test is that the primers are not all from the same manufacturer; as, I am now wondering if all Winchester primers are "hotter." So let me be clear. I don't feel the need nor compunction to justify a superior brass to you or anyone else. :) JFN

I'll bet that the Snowball would melt quickly.