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Howdy Griff, From the TG meeting I have attended it was agreed that a good TO could pick up a .22 rifle so the rifle being the last firearm shot should not be an issue. So "get rid of rifle not last rule?" Jim

I guess I will stir the pot a bit with some history. I don't know how many times over the years I was reminded that "SASS and CAS is in the Entertainment Business NOT in the Shooting business". People who do well are happy and that makes for good business. That has always been the driving force and it still is today. A number of years age I was approached by The General, The Judge, and Coyote and they wanted to add another thing to SASS since it was not highly thought of in the shooting world. They tasked me with making Wild Bunch Action Shooting, which was to be a Real Shooting Sport, as well as enjoyable within the general SASS guidelines. So I created WBAS as a Shooting Sport. I had a lot of great help over the years making it go. The early years most of the EOT stages were written by Pecos Clyde (a great guy who introduced the Model 12 SG to WBAS) Then the stage writing was taken over by Texas Jack Morales (one of my heroes). It was 7? of 8? years before we had the first shooter shoot EOT clean!!! NOBODY complained to us. Those shooting WBAS enjoyed the more challenging sport. We had retired operators who were glad to help new shooters learn how to "run a 1911". I produced the training video on WBAS for Holy Terror. We tried really hard to make it a shooting sport. WBAS was NEVER intended to be like CAS with a 1911. Sadly, IMHO the sport has begun drifting away from the founding principles in recent years. Just a bit of history for those who are interested. Humbly Presented, Happy Jack SASS 20451 Life Patron Regulator CAS was a lot different when WBAS was started. Aerial SG targets, Reloads on the clock for pistols and rifles, and various more difficult target engagements were common even at the biggest matches (regionals, EOT) so for most CAS shooters moving to WBAS was a lot easier than today.

Whoever dreamt-up Teddy Roosevelt and Doughboy should have thought a bit more about the pistol requirements. Both of these new WB categories should require that they be shot with a Mil-spec 1911, Traditional, single-handed grip - the way the Good Lord and John Browning meant for it to be.

This was a very nice Wild Bunch match with lots of shooting and good Wild Bunch distances. Sarsaparilla Groz wrote some fine stages. The venue is tremendous, Powder Creek Shooting Park. We had a Great posse and everyone helped out, making for an efficient, smooth match.

They get pretty crudded up. The plunger gets kind of sticky. I would remove the safety button, plunger and spring and give them all a good cleaning.

About every other day, there is a question posted on the SASS Wire about registering here. If SASS supports Wild Bunch so much, why do they make it SO hard for new shooters to register here? Is it a mistake or a deliberate attempt to do so? That’s a rhetorical question. CC? You have an answer? Just like the five years I hosted the New Mexico State Wild Bunch State Championship at Founder’s Ranch, just minutes away from the SASS headquarters and always offered free entry to the match, always a free dinner to anyone in the SASS office who would come. Want to guess how many ever showed up?

Ramrod: That kind of avoids the question. Can you be more specific? Wild Bunch has adapted quite a bit over the last 15 years or so. All in keeping with the idea of attempting to make it enjoyable and yet different than CAS which has adapted significantly in its 40+ year history. I have a video of EOT from 1992 and its unrecognizable with what is shot today. I'm not shooting much anymore but I do feel a real answer to the question asked is reasonable.

With all due respect to the folks who got this ball rolling - a lot of people did complain about the old EoT matches. I appreciate all that was done to get this WB thing going - I actually enjoy it more than CAS (I know - Sacrilege!) (and I don't want to dumb down WB to the point of silliness, either!)- but I was on the ground, shot the matches, did pretty well, - and heard a lot of complaining. I heard it again, at the 2025 EoT WB match. No match is ever going to make everyone happy (well, maybe except the European championships, but they add a little bit more post-game liquor to the proceedings...) - but only one clean shooter marks a pretty tough match. To keep the people coming back is a big part of the challenge of SASS. Like politics, the best you can hope for is to make MOST of the people happy, most of the time. Then, the audience will let you know. And, judging from the grumbles I heard, they may want to tweak the match a bit. I hope they do; I'll shoot the match however it is configured - but I want the sport to survive and thrive, as well. Cheers, FJT

You’d have to blacken the 3 Dot sights with a Sharpie or black paint.

That has been the issue forever. When you have an event that is designed to be competitive but is also designed to be entertainment (Cowboy Renaissance Festival for all intents) you're going to get a lot of different skill sets and that isn't going to change nor should it. We are the only shooting sport that doesn't have qualification rounds to get to the National or World level. It's been that way since the beginning. That's why it's important to have qualified RO's and at the same time not whine about SDQ's because they are going to happen.

But with the goal to get the targets so close to bump them with the muzzle, that power factor would be too dangerous. Remember, this is about “entertainment”, not shooting skills. People want a clean match so instead of learning to shoot better, that’s make the targets so big and so close, you have to try to miss them.

Considering the fact that the current administration is trying to attract shooters to Wild Bunch who refuse to buy a 40 caliber or higher gun, or even load a heavy factory type load in .38 special, I'd say the politics would prevent it. Even if it would be ballistically feasible. GJ

Poor stage design combined with cowboy shooters…