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I purchased one of the WSP trade in's that were being sold just after they were traded in. I think I paid about $125 with LEO discount They sold fast. I had my pick. Never fired it. Still sits in the gun room. Serial # places it as 1954, one year younger than myself. One of several M12 that I have. Driftwood

The most reliable and most competitive shotgun for Wild Bunch is the Winchester Model 12. Takes no parts to have it hold 6 rounds. Most are quite smooth and reliable as is. You don’t need 2-3 like with a 97. A myriad of 1911s available for Modern category and a number for Traditional. Wild Bunch is more a game of equipment reliability and quality ammo than cowboy. The .45 ACP ammo needs to be consistent and 100%.

Because the WB TG's are the ones who decide what rule changes/clarifications are to be introduced. SASS has asked that the TG's take ownership of the "survey" and, after receiving input from the shooters, submit changes and clarifications to SASS HQ for adoption. Nothing nefarious going on, just making sure the TG's, some are new, understand their duties and who does what.

What I've found interesting is despite the folks on the wire are all folks that like firearms, despite that most are conservative, despite that most like the old west time period, despite that most like competition, despite that Wild Bunch has been around as a Main Match competition for 15+ years. somehow we can find something to disagree about.

From the WB ROC, This will be in the updated SHB when it comes out. "1887/1901 loading procedure verbiage shall read “at the loading table, load as many rounds as 87/01 will hold, up to 6 in magazine and carrier. Close action on empty chamber, hammer must fall unimpeded.”

HI JJ et al, Flying Ramrod got it right in his post. As with a lot of these posts they tend to wander. Please may I refer you back to my original post that started this discussion. I, as a TG can only represent the membership within my club. With the help of Wooden Nichols and the 4 Corners Regional meeting we expanded the survey. So far, the results as posted represent 55 WB shooters. I have only seen one further set of results to the survey posted. The survey only reflects the issues within my club. It can be used as a template or completely revamped it is up to your TG as to how they represent your club members. Do you have a WBTG? Have you spoken to them? This fall, the WBTG's are supposed to vote on members concerns/issues so they need to know what they are. Hence my one liner post. As always, from my end of the rope. Jim

I loved my first Series 70 - Bought it in 1975 for $208 new - Accurate, would feed anything, eject anything. The collet never bothered me. Put pachmyers on it and a micro MMC rear sight and used it for 20 years. One of the few guns that I REALLY regret getting rid of. I tried to "replace" it by buying another around 2012 that had had the collet replaced with a King. Good gun but really finicky about what it would feed. Lost count of the 1911's that I've had but nothing was as good as that first Series 70.

Hello Mr. Miller - As I read your short note here on this wire, can only wonder what has prompted this one liner? Is SASS WB ready to sent to the slaughter house and why the sense of urgency that now is the time for all of us WB shooters express our concerns to SASS through our TG’s? The bigger concern with your statement is why all the secrecy? There has to be a reason why this was generated. . . . . Why not place your best foot forward, spit out your reasons for this and dispense with the suspense?? J.J.

Howdy, Just sharing a recent acquisition. I picked up a neat Model 12 Riot stamped "Washington State Patrol". It's in good shape with normal wear, scuff marks and dings from being carried in a car. The serial number puts the manufacturing date in 1959. Still has a legible rack number on the stock. The interior of the receiver was extremely dirty and the bolt was gummed up with small pieces of wood, dirt, old grease and oil that was a sticky, hardened mess. The action was rough and stiff until I did a complete tear down and deep clean. After cleaning and shooting a few boxes of cowboy loads, it is smooth, like a model 12 should be. It won't be my primary Wild Bunch shotgun, but I will use it in matches/stages occasionally and shoot it for fun. I will use it, not abuse it. Based on my research, the Riot shotguns for Washington State Patrol were factory stamped on the left side of the receiver. They were replaced by the Remington 870 police model starting in the 80's. The 870's were phased in as officers retired and the last model 12 was taken out of service in the early 90's. Anybody out there know anything more about these riot shotguns?

I have a High Standard model 200 thats stamped "LVPD 42983" i got in a trade for of all things, a hi point 40cal that i traded an eig 22 saa for... I wish I could use it in a WB match... Its part of my "police gun" collection. Maine state police HK45, WV state police Glock 19, AACO MD colt police positive 38spl, south saxony (germany) police Walther PP .32acp, 1918 police Luger P08 9mm, and my Hopkins and Allen Safety Police 38S&W from some town in TN (i forgot what town it was from) I got on auction arms 10 or so years ago for $25 shipped from a charity auction for the town raising money to restore the old jail/fire dept...

Love that beauty!

Very nice gun! Would love to get my hands on one of those!

Illegal modification………was it approved paint?

Just painted the dots.☺️

Well, you’d be wrong, too. See my post above. And reread the rule book. It says military STYLE blade sights and it specifically mentions the Harrison Design and 10-8 rear sights.

Since I do ALL my "warranty" work on my Uberti guns, I don't even read the warranty conditions. GJ

Do you have any authority for that proposition? It seems like a quite dramatic oversight, but CAS rules do not apply to WBAS and they are co-equals; WB is not inferior or subject to the rules from the other game.