1911 magazine bases

[Montague Kid]

I dont mean to kick any beehives here, but has there been any discussion about allowing 1911 mags with removable plastic bases for modern categories? Main reason I'm asking is I just did the Ed Brown trade in deal and received 10 really nice mags, but they have plastic bases which was not pictured on the website when I ordered them. 

 

MK

[El Chapo]

I wish.  I absolutely hate the mags I have to use for Wild Bunch, but I doubt we'll see that change.  I don't even miss my FO front sight or even my magwell as much as I miss my basepads.

 

[Flying W Ramrod]

Just the leather base pads.

Don't think the TG/ROC will budge on this.

[El Chapo]

40 minutes ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

Just the leather base pads.

Don't think the TG/ROC will budge on this.

 

I don't either, but I really wish they would.  I'd even be glad to put a leather basepad on top of the plastic for the look.  It's just annoying not to have something to seat a mag in a game with reloads on the clock.

[Seth Bradford]

20 hours ago, Montague Kid said:

I dont mean to kick any beehives here, but has there been any discussion about allowing 1911 mags with removable plastic bases for modern categories? Main reason I'm asking is I just did the Ed Brown trade in deal and received 10 really nice mags, but they have plastic bases which was not pictured on the website when I ordered them. 

 

MK

Last thing we need is you to be faster! 🤣

[Flying W Ramrod]

15 hours ago, El Chapo said:

 

I don't either, but I really wish they would.  I'd even be glad to put a leather basepad on top of the plastic for the look.  It's just annoying not to have something to seat a mag in a game with reloads on the clock.

I dunno. The 1/4" leather pad seems to work for everyone else.

[El Chapo]

3 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

I dunno. The 1/4" leather pad seems to work for everyone else.

Who is everyone else?  Nobody but the most dedicated purists and Wild Bunch shooters are using welded baseplate magazines.

[Flying W Ramrod]

Just about every shooter in Wild Bunch uses a 1/4 inch, leather, baseplate cover on their mags.

WBAS SHB PG 12 "A base pad may be added to the magazine if it meets the following requirements: it must be made from natural leather material only. It must be no larger than the contour of the base of the magazine. The total thickness of the pad may not extend more than ¼” beyond the original base plate."

 Mernickle sells them by the 10 unit lot 1911 Wild Bunch Mag Pads – Mernickle Custom Holsters

You don't have to use the metal baseplates bare, but you can't use plastic.

Darkmoor Armory motto "death before plastic"

[El Chapo]

20 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

Just about every shooter in Wild Bunch uses a 1/4 inch, leather, baseplate cover on their mags.

WBAS SHB PG 12 "A base pad may be added to the magazine if it meets the following requirements: it must be made from natural leather material only. It must be no larger than the contour of the base of the magazine. The total thickness of the pad may not extend more than ¼” beyond the original base plate."

 Mernickle sells them by the 10 unit lot 1911 Wild Bunch Mag Pads – Mernickle Custom Holsters

You don't have to use the metal baseplates bare, but you can't use plastic.

Darkmoor Armory motto "death before plastic"

 

Right, they do that in wild bunch because we have no other options.  Virtually everyone shooting 1911s anywhere else is using a mag with an actual basepad.

The Mernicle leather pads are unfortunately not 1/4" thick.  I made some of my own, and they aren't either.  I wish I had a source for leather that thick, even the full 1/4" feels like it'd be an advantage.

[Flying W Ramrod]

2 hours ago, El Chapo said:

 

Right, they do that in wild bunch because we have no other options.  Virtually everyone shooting 1911s anywhere else is using a mag with an actual basepad.

The Mernicle leather pads are unfortunately not 1/4" thick.  I made some of my own, and they aren't either.  I wish I had a source for leather that thick, even the full 1/4" feels like it'd be an advantage.

Because "elsewhere" is not based on the movie The Wild Bunch. More like Rambo meets Lethal Weapon meets HALO.

Different genres.

and, as for thickness, stack them, as long as they don't exceed 1/4 inch.

 

Edited Sunday at 01:10 AM by Flying W Ramrod

[El Chapo]

5 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

Because "elsewhere" is not based on the movie The Wild Bunch. More like Rambo meets Lethal Weapon meets HALO.

Different genres.

and, as for thickness, stack them, as long as they don't exceed 1/4 inch.

 

I expect that you will also be using paper shotgun shells, because there were no plastic ones in 1913.

I assume also that your rifle isn't a .38 Special, .357 Magnum, or .45 Colt because there was no such thing as a lever action rifle in any of those cartridges then, either.

Common sense should have prevailed a long time ago on the magazines, just like it did for these things.

[Flying W Ramrod]

5 hours ago, El Chapo said:

I expect that you will also be using paper shotgun shells, because there were no plastic ones in 1913.

I assume also that your rifle isn't a .38 Special, .357 Magnum, or .45 Colt because there was no such thing as a lever action rifle in any of those cartridges then, either.

Common sense should have prevailed a long time ago on the magazines, just like it did for these things.

44wcf is rifle

As for the other stuff you rant about.

When the game was created, the materials and supplies that were available at that time were used.

Note, the WB Movie was filmed in 1969. 

If you don't like the rules and regulations of SASS WBAS, please, contact your TG and see if they can be changed.

Edited Sunday at 11:48 AM by Flying W Ramrod

[Tracker Jack]

8 hours ago, El Chapo said:

I expect that you will also be using paper shotgun shells, because there were no plastic ones in 1913.

I assume also that your rifle isn't a .38 Special, .357 Magnum, or .45 Colt because there was no such thing as a lever action rifle in any of those cartridges then, either.

Common sense should have prevailed a long time ago on the magazines, just like it did for these things.

You sure whine a lot about everything! Why do you shoot Wild Bunch if you dislike it so much?

[El Chapo]

9 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

If you don't like the rules and regulations of SASS WBAS, please, contact your TG and see if they can be changed.

Been working on it for years.  Unfortunately our game has a LOT of people who have been doing it for a long time who want to leave things as they are.  Just search the forum for how angry people were when magazines went from 5 to 7, it was a disaster just like this thread.

6 hours ago, Tracker Jack said:

You sure whine a lot about everything! Why do you shoot Wild Bunch if you dislike it so much?

It's funny you ask that, because the last time I shot Wild Bunch, one of our favorite things to talk about in camp was how stupid (several of) the rules are.  It was like a support group.  But since you're a SASS member, I'm sure you already know, I am there for the people.  It's a good time.

The magazine rule is dumb and should have changed a long time ago.  Virtually nobody, except the most dedicated purists, shoot 1911s with welded base magazines.  The world moved on decades ago.

[Tracker Jack]

1 hour ago, El Chapo said:

Been working on it for years.  Unfortunately our game has a LOT of people who have been doing it for a long time who want to leave things as they are.  Just search the forum for how angry people were when magazines went from 5 to 7, it was a disaster just like this thread.

It's funny you ask that, because the last time I shot Wild Bunch, one of our favorite things to talk about in camp was how stupid (several of) the rules are.  It was like a support group.  But since you're a SASS member, I'm sure you already know, I am there for the people.  It's a good time.

The magazine rule is dumb and should have changed a long time ago.  Virtually nobody, except the most dedicated purists, shoot 1911s with welded base magazines.  The world moved on decades ago.

You are nothing but a whiny cry baby!!! You think the world should change to please you, that is childish and plain rude!!!!!

[Flying W Ramrod]

4 hours ago, El Chapo said:

Been working on it for years.  Unfortunately our game has a LOT of people who have been doing it for a long time who want to leave things as they are.  Just search the forum for how angry people were when magazines went from 5 to 7, it was a disaster just like this thread.

It's funny you ask that, because the last time I shot Wild Bunch, one of our favorite things to talk about in camp was how stupid (several of) the rules are.  It was like a support group.  But since you're a SASS member, I'm sure you already know, I am there for the people.  It's a good time.

The magazine rule is dumb and should have changed a long time ago.  Virtually nobody, except the most dedicated purists, shoot 1911s with welded base magazines.  The world moved on decades ago.

So, how long have you been shooting WB?

 

[El Chapo]

18 hours ago, Tracker Jack said:

You are nothing but a whiny cry baby!!! You think the world should change to please you, that is childish and plain rude!!!!!

That's a very productive comment that really leads the sport forward.  That attitude and the unwillingness to change is exactly why there were 320 shooters at a 1911 match just a few miles away from EoT who were not there, even though the match was just a few days after it ended.  It is astonishing to me how critical WB shooters are about simple changes to the game that'd make it so much more accessible and enjoyable to others.  Making people buy another set of magazines is pointless and accomplishing nothing.

 

15 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

So, how long have you been shooting WB?

What's it to you?  Show up to a match and I'll show you how to shoot wild bunch.

[Tracker Jack]

4 hours ago, El Chapo said:

That's a very productive comment that really leads the sport forward.  That attitude and the unwillingness to change is exactly why there were 320 shooters at a 1911 match just a few miles away from EoT who were not there, even though the match was just a few days after it ended.  It is astonishing to me how critical WB shooters are about simple changes to the game that'd make it so much more accessible and enjoyable to others.  Making people buy another set of magazines is pointless and accomplishing nothing.

 

What's it to you?  Show up to a match and I'll show you how to shoot wild bunch.

I stand by my comment!!! Your attitude is counterproductive to the advancement of this game. The game has rules, play by those rules. They evolved after years of people with your attitude, and worse, drove hundreds of shooters away. Misty, and the Board has worked hard to enact changes that MANY shooters were begging for. Shooters are coming back to WB, I became an instructor for WB because I believe in what is being done. 

Quit acting like a spoiled crybaby, play the game and encourage people to have fun, instead of your constant stream of vitrol you spew because we are not a cookie cutter of every other action handgun game you claim to excel at!!!!!!!!!

[Flying W Ramrod]

5 hours ago, El Chapo said:

That's a very productive comment that really leads the sport forward.  That attitude and the unwillingness to change is exactly why there were 320 shooters at a 1911 match just a few miles away from EoT who were not there, even though the match was just a few days after it ended.  It is astonishing to me how critical WB shooters are about simple changes to the game that'd make it so much more accessible and enjoyable to others.  Making people buy another set of magazines is pointless and accomplishing nothing.

 

What's it to you?  Show up to a match and I'll show you how to shoot wild bunch.

Just trying to ascertain your credentials in wild bunch.

If you want to be this way, ok, bye.

[Montague Kid]

Despite my best efforts to ask a simple question without causing a battle, I failed. 
I must say that bickering like this is far worse for the game than any rules or changes. I think anyone reading this who was considering WB has run off like their hair was on fire. 
And Seth, I’m getting a little slower every day:) see you at the Muster!

[El Chapo]

2 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

Just trying to ascertain your credentials in wild bunch.

If you want to be this way, ok, bye.

Because somehow my opinion would be better than yours if I met your preconceived standard?  You're the one hurling insults at someone who dares have a different opinion than you.  

[El Chapo]

18 minutes ago, Montague Kid said:

Despite my best efforts to ask a simple question without causing a battle, I failed. 
I must say that bickering like this is far worse for the game than any rules or changes. I think anyone reading this who was considering WB has run off like their hair was on fire. 
And Seth, I’m getting a little slower every day:) see you at the Muster!

It's a totally legitimate question and suggestion, don't be discouraged.

But yeah, anytime you tell people that certain ancient standards should be modernized, it's like you kicked the hornet's nest. with many of these people.  This isn't the first time or context where you will see this sort of response.  Just search "power factor" or "classic" or "open category" around here and read what resulted when there were minor changes to the rules that changed nothing for the people who were already shooting WB.