Is this sight legal?

[Deacon KC]

Okay, I'm picking up a Savage 99 and plan on using it in Teddy Roosevelt. Would this sight be legal?

https://skinnersights.com/collections/rossi/products/universal-barrel-mount-peep-sight

[Garrison Joe]

Because it is barrel mounted, yes, it's legal for any SASS sponsored match.  good luck, GJ

[Eyesa]

Why aren't they legal for Plainsman in CAS? As on an H&R Buffalo Classic.

[Old Man Graybeard]

I am not sure...since it is a peep sight

[Old Man Graybeard]

It says period correct reciever mounted peep sight is legal for Teddy Roosevelt 

[Garrison Joe]

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Basic Rules for the Long Range Competitions
- Front barrel sights may vary from simple blades to period hooded wind gauge designs using interchangeable sight inserts and having a spirit level mounted integral with the sight or sight base.
- Rear sights must either be open iron sights mounted on the barrel or original style tang or stock wrist mounted peep sights. Long range rear barrel mounted sights of the flip-up ladder type may use a peephole drilled through the sliding sight leaf. An example of this is the various ladder type sights used on the Springfield trapdoors.
- Bolt or receiver mounted sights are not allowed.

Guess that the Skinner barrel-mounted peep would NOT be legal for Long Range matches, since they are not open sights mounted on barrel.

But I find nothing that makes them illegal for ANY other rifles.  And, the Plainsman section of the cowboy rule book has no restriction that is additional to any cowboy match restrictions.

 

1 minute ago, Old Man Graybeard said:

It says period correct reciever receiver mounted peep sight is legal for Teddy Roosevelt 

Normally, receiver mounted sights of any design are illegal on SASS rifles, but since so many of the original lever action hunting rifles had receiver sights added, sounds like the Rules Committee made an exception for TR matches.  But this rule would not PREVENT you from using the Skinner barrel peep, as far as I know.    However, a receiver mounted sight would be my PERSONAL choice over the Skinner (for several reasons).

good luck, GJ

[Eyesa]

SHB pg.36 "Rifle sights" says no barrel or receiver mounted peep sights.

[Garrison Joe]

I will stand corrected for Skinner sights being used for cowboy shooting - I was looking at the 2024 version of the Cowboy rules.   But, the 2025 rules change the playing field!  Opening a 2025 version, I see that newly added rule expressly prohibiting barrel or receiver mounted peep sights.   

But the discussion here is for Teddy Roosevelt, a Wild Bunch category, where receiver peep sights ARE allowed.  Nothing like new rules and exceptions to them.

Yep, here's the WB applicable section - 

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The 1895 Winchester and the Savage 99 originals or reproductions along with period correct receiver mounted peep sights are legal for Teddy Roosevelt.

Wow, the complexity just keeps on boiling up.

good luck, GJ

[Deacon KC]

Thank you all, yes, my first choice would be a receiver mounted peep, but no one is making new ones and the ones I have been able to find are either hideously over priced or are beaten to death junk. The Skinner appeared to be my best option. 

[Boggus Deal]

Is your receiver tapped for a tang mount?

[Deacon KC]

Not yet. 

[Sedalia Dave]

As has been pointed out, the SASS SHB does not apply to Wild Bunch or to Wild Bunch side matches. You have to use the WB Handbook.

 

From the WBAS pg 6

The 1895 Winchester and the Savage 99 originals or reproductions along with period correct receiver mounted peep sights are legal for Teddy Roosevelt.

 

Note the part about receiver mounted peep sights being period correct.  IMHO the Skinner receiver mounted peep sight is not period correct and would not be legal for Teddy Roosevelt. There is no mention of barrel mounted peep sights being legal for TR. Therefore by convention barrel mounted peep sights are not legal for TR as they are not period correct.

[Flying W Ramrod]

10 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

As has been pointed out, the SASS SHB does not apply to Wild Bunch or to Wild Bunch side matches. You have to use the WB Handbook.

 

From the WBAS pg 6

The 1895 Winchester and the Savage 99 originals or reproductions along with period correct receiver mounted peep sights are legal for Teddy Roosevelt.

 

Note the part about receiver mounted peep sights being period correct.  IMHO the Skinner receiver mounted peep sight is not period correct and would not be legal for Teddy Roosevelt. There is no mention of barrel mounted peep sights being legal for TR. Therefore by convention barrel mounted peep sights are not legal for TR as they are not period correct.

Actually, if it's not in the WBSHB you use the CASSHB.

If it's not specifically addressed in the WB Material, but is in the CAS, then the CAS takes precedence. 

[El Chapo]

3 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

Actually, if it's not in the WBSHB you use the CASSHB.

If it's not specifically addressed in the WB Material, but is in the CAS, then the CAS takes precedence. 

I don't know why people seem to think that, but there is no textual basis for that.  WBAS is its own sport with its own rules, it is not subject to the rules for CAS.

That may have been the case a long time ago, I don't know because I wasn't there.  But it certainly isn't now.