Wild Bunch Survey Update

[Jim Miller]

Howdy Y'all,

Please find attached the results of the WB survey we have conducted within the 4 corners region area.

 

Jim Miller & Wooden Nichols

WB_Survey_Data (3).xlsx Survey Comments.docx Survey Questions.doc

[wyliefox]

thank you for posting

[Rooster Ron Wayne 86029]

Thank you Pard. 

[Eyesa]

I'll need to go to the PC for Excel and Word though!!

[Sedalia Dave]

@Jim MillerThanks for posting.

 

Edited July 16 by Sedalia Dave

[El Chapo]

No real surprises here other than the shotgun misses.  I am surprised to see the margin of victory on some of the questions though.  Glad to see many people wrote similar comments to the ones I recognize as mine.

[Griff]

The Survey Data indicates there was a 7th question that's not listed on the Survey Questions.  "Rifle Last"?  Given that I have no idea how that question was worded, makes it impossible to interpret the data.  

[Joe Lafives 5481L]

Interesting.  Lots of opinions but then what else is new.  

[wyliefox]

Hmmm care to elaborate? 

[Jim Miller]

Howdy Griff, Yes, the last question was rifle not last. 

 

Jim

[Griff]

On 8/27/2025 at 9:02 PM, Jim Miller said:

Howdy Griff, Yes, the last question was rifle not last.

Jim

Yes, but was the question... "...keep rifle not last rule?"  Or... "get rid of of rifle not last rule?"

[wyliefox]

In the file above #7 was not displayed.

 

Here is the #7 my club voted on--

 

7.  Enable "rifle to be last" in WB stage design?

       

      YES  /  NO

 

72% votes  YES

[Jim Miller]

Howdy Griff, 

From the TG meeting I have attended it was agreed that a good TO could pick up a .22 rifle so the rifle being the last firearm shot should not be an issue.

So "get rid of rifle not last rule?"

Jim

 

[wyliefox]

I just posted on the TG wire asking about an addenda for the TG meeting.

I am not aware of any discussion regarding the TG meeting.

I hope the results of this survey will lead to action.

[Jim Miller]

Howdy Wyliefox.  I have checked the TG wire but cannot see your post.  I too would like to see an agenda for the Land Run Wild Bunch TG meeting just in case there are additional questions that my club members need to asked.

Jim

 

[wyliefox]

https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/topic/392109-2025-land-run-tg-meeting/

[Flying W Ramrod]

11 hours ago, Jim Miller said:

Howdy Wyliefox.  I have checked the TG wire but cannot see your post.  I too would like to see an agenda for the Land Run Wild Bunch TG meeting just in case there are additional questions that my club members need to asked.

Jim

 

He posted it on the CAS TG Wire

[Jim Miller]

As a WB TG I only have access to the WB TG Wire and not the CAS TG Wire. Would you mind posting on the WB TG wire?

Jim

[Flying W Ramrod]

Jim

Ran this survey past the two clubs I shoot at.

1. 10Y 1N

2. 9Y 2N

3. 8Y 3N

4. 9Y 2N

5. 10Y 1N

6. 8Y 3N

Hope this helps

[wyliefox]

FWR,

What about question #7?

[Flying W Ramrod]

5 hours ago, wyliefox said:

FWR,

What about question #7?

As the current WB rules do not prohibit, nor discourage, rifle being last, this is a moot question.

And, as this question was not part of the original survey, it was not used.

 

 

[wyliefox]

Interesting

Here is the original survey I was sent on March 17, 2025

 

1. Current WB categories to stay (or introduce as "Classic" category) with .40 Cal and above rifles with '97 or Model 12 Shotguns?

      YES  /  NO

 

2. For "Classic" categories the 150 Power Factor for rifles and pistols to be re-instated?

      YES  /  NO

 

3. An "Open" category/categories to be developed for those who do not wish to shoot in the original or "Classic"categories? These to include all SASS sanctioned firearms plus others to be agreed. Power Factors for "Open" category/categories to be agreed.

      YES   /  NO

 

4. With the introduction of an "Open" category/categories, delete overall winners and just have category winners?

      YES  /  NO

 

  5. Increase age-based categories: Open or Classic age category, up to 60 years; then Senior from 60 to 70 years; and Super Senior 70+?

      YES  /  NO

 

  6.  Should shotgun misses be allowed to made up?

       YES  /  NO

 

  7.  Enable "rifle to be last" in WB stage design?

       

      YES  /  NO

Edited September 24 by wyliefox

[Eyesa]

Wow that became hard to try and read. How'd you do that. At least in my screen it's way right and vertical print!!

[wyliefox]

???

I am not sure what you see.

I see a large font with text centered in post.

I just scraped it from the email about the survey

[Flying W Ramrod]

36 minutes ago, wyliefox said:

Interesting

Here is the original survey I was sent on March 17, 2025

 

1. Current WB categories to stay (or introduce as "Classic" category) with .40 Cal and above rifles with '97 or Model 12 Shotguns?

      YES  /  NO

 

2. For "Classic" categories the 150 Power Factor for rifles and pistols to be re-instated?

      YES  /  NO

 

3. An "Open" category/categories to be developed for those who do not wish to shoot in the original or "Classic"categories? These to include all SASS sanctioned firearms plus others to be agreed. Power Factors for "Open" category/categories to be agreed.

      YES   /  NO

 

4. With the introduction of an "Open" category/categories, delete overall winners and just have category winners?

      YES  /  NO

 

  5. Increase age-based categories: Open or Classic age category, up to 60 years; then Senior from 60 to 70 years; and Super Senior 70+?

      YES  /  NO

 

  6.  Should shotgun misses be allowed to made up?

       YES  /  NO

 

  7.  Enable "rifle to be last" in WB stage design?

       

      YES  /  NO

And here's the survey from the first post on this page.

RGR Wild Bunch Survey 2025 

1.    Should current WB categories stay with 40 Cal and above rifles and 1897 or Model 12 Shotguns. (Traditional)? 

Yes         No 

2.    For traditional categories, should the 150 Power Factor for rifles be re-instated? 

Yes         No 

3.    Should an open category be developed for those who do not wish to shoot in the traditional categories? These would include all SASS sanctioned firearms plus others to be agreed. Power Factors to be agreed upon. 

Yes         No 

4.    With the introduction of an open category should we delete overall winners and just have category winners? 

Yes         No 

5.    Should we increase age based categories as follows: Original up to 60 years, Senior from 60 to 70 years, Super Senior 70+? 

Yes         No 

6.    Should Shotgun misses be allowed to be made up? 

Yes         No 

Comments / Suggestions.

 

 

Again, there are NO rules against Rifle Last, nor any suggestions that the Rifle be not last, in the WBSHB, WBRO Module.

Don't know where the idea came from, regarding rifle not last, but it's not codified anywhere, nor has it been since the inception of WB.

Edited September 24 by Flying W Ramrod