NOT CAS with a 1911!!

[Whitey James]

I found out (The hard way) that WBAS is NOT just CAS with a 1911. I shoot a stage where you had to move to shoot your shotgun last and re-holstered my pistol and all I heard was "waaaaaaaait" but, alas, it was too late.

Being that I have shot way more CAS matches, I was used to doing that with my revolver(s). I still don't understand the logic but now at least I know.

[El Chapo]

1 hour ago, Whitey James said:

I found out (The hard way) that WBAS is NOT just CAS with a 1911. I shoot a stage where you had to move to shoot your shotgun last and re-holstered my pistol and all I heard was "waaaaaaaait" but, alas, it was too late.

Being that I have shot way more CAS matches, I was used to doing that with my revolver(s). I still don't understand the logic but now at least I know.

Maybe that's something we can fix someday.  There's no reason a safely holstered pistol should be any kind of penalty.

[Flying W Ramrod]

2 hours ago, El Chapo said:

Maybe that's something we can fix someday.  There's no reason a safely holstered pistol should be any kind of penalty.

except when in slide lock, it's easier for it to fall out of the holster.

Also, it would then require you to drop mag, slide forward, pull trigger, to ensure you don't have a live round in the chamber.

Too much time, and chances for baaad mistakes.

[Abe E.S. Corpus]

There are other action pistol sports in which reholstering the pistol is not allowed or at least discouraged.

[El Chapo]

1 hour ago, Abe E.S. Corpus said:

There are other action pistol sports in which reholstering the pistol is not allowed or at least discouraged.

Not true.  It cannot be required but it is not prohibited to holster a pistol on the clock in all of the other handgun shooting sports where I have shot tens of thousands of rounds through a 1911.

12 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

except when in slide lock, it's easier for it to fall out of the holster.

Also, it would then require you to drop mag, slide forward, pull trigger, to ensure you don't have a live round in the chamber.

Too much time, and chances for baaad mistakes.

It is not required that one do any of those things.  The other sports 1) require a holster that covers the trigger and 2) permit the holstering of a pistol with a round in the chamber and the safety applied.  Really, it's that simple. 

In 5 decades of matches it has been proven that those safety rules are completely sufficient.

If the gun falls out of the holster, it's a match DQ.  Pick your holster carefully.

 

What we need is a serious culture and attitude change toward the automatic.

Edited Friday at 03:34 PM by El Chapo

[Flying W Ramrod]

4 hours ago, El Chapo said:

 

 

What we need is a serious culture and attitude change toward the automatic.

I would suggest you contact your TG, provide them with actual handbook citations regarding this issue, and help them work on it.

It all starts with the TG's.

[Jorge]

El Chapo,

Which shooting sports, action shooting, allowed reholstering a pistol without it being cleared by a "safety Officer" during a course of fire?

 

[Whitey James]

I am wondering what the difference is in re-holstering your revolvers and moving. someone may have loaded a 6th round by mistake and have a non transfer bar revolver with a live round under the hammer. I think, loaded or not, if the gun is holstered  and the trigger is covered, it's a pretty safe gun. Other than the Sig P320, I have not heard of a gun going off while holstered.

I am not saying the rules should be changed, just pointing out the fact that in CAS it's okay, but not in WBAS?

[Garrison Joe]

11 minutes ago, Whitey James said:

someone may have loaded a 6th round by mistake and have a non transfer bar revolver with a live round under the hammer.

No they won't.  Only if they cocked that revolver and then de-cocked it  - following having shot 5 rounds.  The almost always occurring situation is they fire their fifth round and directly holster and the gun is safe for movement (hammer down on that last fired round) even if there is a live round in the NEXT chamber  of the cylinder.

That illustrates the possible safety impact of overloading a semiauto pistol as compared to the almost insignificant danger caused by overloading a revolver.

20 minutes ago, Whitey James said:

in CAS it's (overloading a revolver) okay, but not in WBAS?

Not totally OK.   Penalty for overloading the revolver in Cowboy (usually assessed by the unloading table officer) is covered by a rule: Failure to adhere to loading instructions - which is a Stage DQ.

good luck, GJ

[Flying W Ramrod]

2 hours ago, Garrison Joe said:

 

Not totally OK.   Penalty for overloading the revolver in Cowboy (usually assessed by the unloading table officer) is covered by a rule: Failure to adhere to loading instructions - which is a Stage DQ.

good luck, GJ

There is no penalty for overloading any firearm. It's what you do with that unfired round which earns the penalty. In the case of rifles: overloaded round fired = P; left in mag tube/on carrier = MSV; any portion in chamber = SDQ; used to complete shooting string = M + P; ejected = No Call.

In the case of pistol: if fired = P; if used to compete shooting string = P + M; if left under the hammer = SDQ; if left in cylinder, but not under hammer, = No Call.

 

Edited Saturday at 10:41 PM by Flying W Ramrod