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Which State and above matches have DB/TR as main match categories?


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Pershing's Pursuit was Missouri State WB up through 2023 (and sort of SW Territorial) and was the first to run DB and TR as main match category in 2023 before it was fully approved. They are two of the best categories, but baffle me when people say "rifle is the least emphasized part of WB." Unnecessary verbiage, that pushes things in the other direction.  

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This has always baffled me. Please explain how you can shoot a different set of targets with a different sequence than the other competitors and still be scored as "main match" category? I fully support the DB and TR as side match, just don't see how you can put them in the main match, also you need a RIFLE range to shoot it. Most of the CAS ranges I go to only have pistol ranges (50 yards or less) and couldn't even support rifle caliber shooting. CAS has long range rifle as a side match, WB should be the same.

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One presumes DB/TR are competing only within TR or DB.    Which is how the normal match is, in essence. I know we have an "Overall" winner announced...(which TBH has always struck me as a bit odd in both CAS and WB given the handicaps some categories inherently have) but Traditional  competes against Traditional, Modern against Modern for category awards.  How is this any different?  Ranges that can't have it won't. Those that can, will.  The use of ONLY LEAD bullets removes some restrictions...  WB does have a Rifle side match..its called BAMM.  

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I shoot Doughboy. We generally use the Cody Dixon targets at 50-60 yards.  It does take longer to make 5 offhand bolt action rifle caliber shots (lately I've been using a Krag Carbine) than 7-10 pistol caliber rifle shots at 15-20 yards.  I recognize that and realize that when shooting Doughboy I am only competing against other Doughboy shooters and  not competing for overall (but then I know I will never be competitive against guys who can make a pistol caliber lever gun  sound like a submachine gun).  Same thing in Cowboy matches where I shoot Cody Dixon Single shot,  I know that overall is not in my future. 

But I also run the risk that there won't be enough Doughboy shooters (usually 3) and the category will be dropped.  

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Rifle targets at 30-50 yards work great for TR and DB. If you can't get them out far enough, make the targets smaller to balance it out. You will be very hard pressed, to win overall shooting in TR or DB if you are thinking that people will be doing that. The data is out there to back this up. 

TR and DB are a whole 'nother level of fun on top of WB and I wouldn't have WB without it. I only wish we could bring rifle caliber to the other game. 

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I shot the a State Wild Bunch Championship couple of weekends ago and TR/DB were not offered there nor has it ever been offered in the main matches in my area.  Bamm was offered as a side match at the cowboy state shoot.  Many of the clubs around here have less than 25 yard bays so it is tough for local/state matches.  I see TR and DB as more of a side match as not every club can accomodate the distances for every bay.   I shot TR as a side match at land run a couple years ago and it was a fun side match same with BAMM, something different for sure.  If you have the long bays and have a match director that wants to write in separate senarios for TR/ DB then recognize the catagory in a main match and advertise it is available or alternatively if you don't have 10 long range bays and just one have it as a side match with an award.  I personally just don't see it feasable to be shot in every main match for every state due the the length of the bays varying by different clubs.  All for it as a side match for those of us that only have one 100 yard bay.  

Maybe we should come up with some standard side matches and more guidelines for wild bunch side matches.  Such as you can shoot the speed events all day and not just the 1st time through counts for score or if there is a limit make it 10x not 1 or 2 or 3.   Many of us are just getting warmed up by the 3rd run...  or have BAMM, TR and DB side match offered for those clubs that can accomodate it.  TR and DB are new to many so a listing of what guns are legal would be nice too.  

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5 hours ago, ethan callahan said:

I shot the a State Wild Bunch Championship couple of weekends ago and TR/DB were not offered there nor has it ever been offered in the main matches in my area.  Bamm was offered as a side match at the cowboy state shoot.  Many of the clubs around here have less than 25 yard bays so it is tough for local/state matches.  I see TR and DB as more of a side match as not every club can accomodate the distances for every bay.   I shot TR as a side match at land run a couple years ago and it was a fun side match same with BAMM, something different for sure.  If you have the long bays and have a match director that wants to write in separate senarios for TR/ DB then recognize the catagory in a main match and advertise it is available or alternatively if you don't have 10 long range bays and just one have it as a side match with an award.  I personally just don't see it feasable to be shot in every main match for every state due the the length of the bays varying by different clubs.  All for it as a side match for those of us that only have one 100 yard bay.  

Maybe we should come up with some standard side matches and more guidelines for wild bunch side matches.  Such as you can shoot the speed events all day and not just the 1st time through counts for score or if there is a limit make it 10x not 1 or 2 or 3.   Many of us are just getting warmed up by the 3rd run...  or have BAMM, TR and DB side match offered for those clubs that can accomodate it.  TR and DB are new to many so a listing of what guns are legal would be nice too.  

I am a little concerned here, as what may be one of the only things the shooters wanted that managed to get changed in the chaos of the last two years, and you sound inclined to not have it as a main match category in the future. It doesn't help that basically all of the shooters that advocated for TR/DB, developed, and worked through the rule changes have moved on to bigger and better.

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