Allie Mo

Hi Boggus, I think I'm at a maximum for following different rules with SASS, WBAS, and W3G. Regards, Allie

No, they did not. They had us load 6. Some folk's mags held 10; mine held 8. The reason, IIUC, is to qualify for a CCW, you shoot 6 rounds each at 5, 10, and 15 yard targets.

In WBAS, I've been told to push the release button (I think that is it's name) to release. They wanted us to pull the slide back a tiny bit and release, which seemed dumb to me when the button did the same thing. At first we held the trigger back and released slowly. After learning that, it was released almost immediately.

Hi Folks, I took my first shooting class (where you shoot a gun) of any type on Saturday. It was Fundamental Tactical Handgun and was taught by two people who were and are LE academy instructors. Many of the techniques were different than those we use in WBAS. For example, we never "cock and lock (safety on)" at the loading table. That was their first step. They did not have us unlock the slide before showing clear. They wanted us to pull it back again to make it release. They kept having us put the safety on, even with no mag in the gun. I'd never used the safety before... :-[ I am curious why WBAS procedures for loading, showing clear, and holstering are different than this. Three valuable things I learned were proper grip, indexing the mag into the gun, and trigger pull. They had us hold the trigger back after firing rather than immediately releasing it. That seemed to make the subsequent shot more accurate. About gripping the gun, I learned in a class at the convention to not use the "teacup grip." However, I don't remember there being only one correct grip. Theirs was a bit awkward for me to get the off-hand thumb in position on the lower part of the slide. However, that could be that my muscle memory was stuck in a bad habit. I hope this makes sense. Any thoughts? Thanks for any help. Allie

Hi Folks, I chose in combination and that is the way it will be done in CA this year for the State WBAS and SASS matches. Even if it were not my home venue, I think that maximizes my travel dollars. We've tried it in combo with our annual and the weekend before with a three day break. This time there will be a one day break, which gives folks time to dump and replenish, go sightseeing or whatever. It seems no way is perfect for everyone. I like the way the Western Regional does it best. WBAS is one day (then it is only a side match there) on Wednesday, Side Matches Thursday (I shoot Plainsman only), main match Friday and Saturday, shoot off Sunday. I'm retired, so it is more a matter of replenishing and dumping the trailer, than the time spent. Regards, Allie

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Okay. Thanks HJ.

Hi, I knew that the idea was more recoil with a lighter gun. However, I do not understand why we would want more recoil if the gun chronos according to the rules. Can someone enlighten me? Regards, Allie

Hi Folks, Tully and I both shoot Gold Country Wild Bunch monthlies and they have the CA State WB match. I've only shot WB side matches at any other club. None were what was described in that flier. I know WB is not CAS with a 1911. However, I believe that many SASS clubs have evolved to the point where all of the targets are hittable by most shooters for a reason. People like hits. Happy people come back. One thing we do, that I've heard some do not approve of is make ups. (Our SG are still non-Comstock.) For example, on plate racks or dueling trees, we will have 10 rounds for 5 or 6 targets. They are small, but hittable with that many rounds. Sometimes, we will have make ups on other small targets. Fast accurate people will excel while the people like me have a chance to be clean. I like that. It doesn't improve my placement; but there is a warm fuzzy feeling to being almost clean. I have yet to clean a WB match. However, I feel better with fewer misses. I've heard of other WB matches where a shooter at my skill level would have 30 or more misses. It is very unlikely that I'd go to a match like that unless it was very close to me. Regards, Allie Mo

Hi Folks, I recently received a match flier that said the following, "Make sure you bring your Big Boy Britches 'cause the targets will be small and far. This is a REAL WILD BUNCH MATCH!" Is that your opinion of a "Real" Wild Bunch Match? If not, what are your thoughts. Thanks for any feedback! Allie

Hi Hogleg, If you plan on shooting Modern with the pistol. The following applies. "Unloaded pistol weight may not exceed 42 ounces with an empty magazine inserted." Regards, Allie

That makes sense to me and I have no problem with a penalty for having the finger inside the trigger guard. However, I believe people try to conform to the rules. I try to follow all rules equally. Having MDQ for the finger in the trigger guard would not make me more likely to follow that rule than would a MSV. If the penalty is changed to a MDQ it would not affect my actions or participation. Regards, Allie

Hi CK, It seems that might be "hard to swallow" for the many folks with a CAS background, where there is no penalty for this. Regards, AM

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Hi Frenchy, At first, be flexible about the gun and PF requirements. Give folks time to see how they like things before forcing them to buy new guns. Although, I have a .45 rifle, I shoot a .38 at monthly matches as I do not get enough brass back! Sorry, I'm not wealthy enough for that to not be a problem. Do not make the targets too small and far or the scenarios too complex. You can make any changes from CAS gradually and give folks time to adapt to the differences. I've heard horror stories about two major matches from a top shooter. You know how when you learn a new scenario, it either slows folks down or more of them get Ps? That is not conducive to getting folks to come back. Have a variety of target styles and more targets than a CAS match. I like horizontal and vertical plate racks, dueling trees, and lots of KDs. We frequently use our CAS SG KDs for the WB pistol. They are tall lollypops and go down easily. Try to shoot at least 20 pistol. This emphasizes the difference from CAS. I really do not mind shooting the rifle targets with the pistol sometimes. With the 45 and higher PF those bullets tend to get there, if the targets are not too small or too far. Like Joe mentioned, make sure you have plenty of brass pickers. Buy a spare yourself until folks are motivated to buy their own. This is a pet peeve of mine. :( At one match, we only had six shooters and it seemed like I was the only one picking brass. My back (I do use a picker) hurt for days after that match and I was ready to quit. Seriously! I did go back and, unfortunately, after our last match, my hand that squeezes the picker was swollen for days. >:( If any of you reading this do not have brass picking equipment, get it ASAP! Picking that brass at a WB match is a lot of work! Don't make one or two people do it all! Regards, Allie

Tully is an awesome shooter and person!

Tully, I just don't remember... Seems I'm always getting into position to pick brass or getting ready to shoot. I know that, if you are my TO, you won't do a "gotcha" like the TO in Boggus' post. :D Allie

I'm so glad I posted here. I now see the advantage to having a "flag" on the trigger guard. I know several folks who shoot 12s. I don't remember seeing the TO check the trigger lately. Wow, Boggus! That person should not run the timer! If said TO could remember to give a DQ, s/he should remember to ask the shooter to pull the trigger before the beep, without penalty. >:(

I have been practicing with it just like it would be used at a match. That includes pulling the trigger before loading. It is the same process as loading the '97 so there is no change there. Just the showing at the line. I never thought about using an indicator/reminder. It is a beautiful gun, very pristine, unlike our '97s, which look well used.

Yeah me! I've shot my Model '12 SG and am ready to take it to a match. It is very smooth operating. I've been having troubles with my '97s (of course, Hubby claims operator error ::) ) and hope the '12 may contribute to a smoother match. Regards, Allie PS I hope any of you near the Sacramento area will attend the CA State WBAS match at Diamond Dick's Cowboy Town March 27 - 29, 2015. :D

Well the reservoir is empty. :o

Maybe I scared him speechless! :o ;)

FYI, we had a 70 round stage Saturday. Everyone switched from 5 to 7 rounds in their magazines. Of the 6 of us shooting, 2 got SDQs for moving with the slide forward after the 5th round. I was barely saved from doing it too.

Allie, I apologize for all Arizonans. We didn't know that WBT had escaped again. We will punish whoever was supposed to watching him. ;) ;D