Not the same powder,but due to Ellie's shoulder I've settled on 11gr. of RedDot under 3/4oz of #8 shot using Clay buster 3/4 oz pink wads. Minimal recoil and the targets fall. I used them in an antique last fall and they worked well for me too and were quite light on the old shotgun! Ellie's been running them for 2 years now without any issues. I used 11.5gr of Clays for a short while before the RedDot, also with no issue.