Deplorable Dan Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Howdy! I just shoot my first WB match this month and loved it! I used one of the new 1887 lever guns offered by Cimarron and saw that everyone else was shooting 97's. I am wondering if I were to buy one of them, which one and why? I like the 87 but I intend on having the "drop two" mod done to it so I would not longer be able to stoke the tube. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holloman Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Get a model 12. You won't regret it. The only real advantage of the 97 over the 12 is the ability to use it in Cowboy matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Dan Posted October 17 Author Share Posted October 17 I got Cowboy covered with my Stoger and the 1887. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Model 12 is by far the fastest, most reliable and available shotgun for Wild Bunch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Dan Posted October 17 Author Share Posted October 17 I have been searching Gunbroker, are the featherlite models okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvertip Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 After you get a model 12 contact Boggus Deal for one of his firing pins. ST 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 31 minutes ago, Deplorable Dan said: I have been searching Gunbroker, are the featherlite models okay? No. They don’t hold 6 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Dan Posted October 17 Author Share Posted October 17 4 minutes ago, Boggus Deal said: No. They don’t hold 6 rounds. Thanks! I won't get one then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC Moonshine Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 20 hours ago, Deplorable Dan said: Howdy! I just shoot my first WB match this month and loved it! I used one of the new 1887 lever guns offered by Cimarron and saw that everyone else was shooting 97's. I am wondering if I were to buy one of them, which one and why? I like the 87 but I intend on having the "drop two" mod done to it so I would not longer be able to stoke the tube. Awesome ! That's great that you jumped into WB, thanks to the new rules, I'm glad you got to try WB with your 87 ! Now that you know you like it, yes a Model 12 would be perfect for WB. 17 hours ago, Silvertip said: After you get a model 12 contact Boggus Deal for one of his firing pins. ST Definitely a good option once you find one. Boggus doesn't care much for me, but he has good gun parts. 😂 Good luck and welcome, CC Moonshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Jackson Turner Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 On 10/16/2024 at 3:27 PM, Deplorable Dan said: Howdy! I just shoot my first WB match this month and loved it! I used one of the new 1887 lever guns offered by Cimarron and saw that everyone else was shooting 97's. I am wondering if I were to buy one of them, which one and why? I like the 87 but I intend on having the "drop two" mod done to it so I would not longer be able to stoke the tube. Lassiter, chief progenitor of the "drop two" mod, says that an 1887 CAN be returned to stoke mode with a simple part which is easily installed. Yes to the Model 12; yes to the 1897 second, but I just ran a WB match with a fellow shooting a very slick 1887, and he was running just fine with it. Cheers, FJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 11 hours ago, CC Moonshine said: Awesome ! That's great that you jumped into WB, thanks to the new rules, I'm glad you got to try WB with your 87 ! Now that you know you like it, yes a Model 12 would be perfect for WB. Definitely a good option once you find one. Boggus doesn't care much for me, but he has good gun parts. 😂 Good luck and welcome, CC Moonshine CC, First, thank you for the kind words. I appreciate it very much. Truly. Second, I don’t know you well enough personally to like or dislike. I just don’t like or agree with things you’ve said and done. Two different things. Boggus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holloman Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 One rule change I hope that the TGs take up is allowing Model 12s in 20 gauge. We now allow SxS 20ga guns so the Model 12 should not be too objectionable.(The 97 was never made in 20ga.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Dan Posted October 18 Author Share Posted October 18 3 hours ago, Frederick Jackson Turner said: Lassiter, chief progenitor of the "drop two" mod, says that an 1887 CAN be returned to stoke mode with a simple part which is easily installed. Yes to the Model 12; yes to the 1897 second, but I just ran a WB match with a fellow shooting a very slick 1887, and he was running just fine with it. Cheers, FJT I have considered buying a second '87 and just continuing to shoot the stock one for WB. based on my search over the last few days, a brand new '87 is cheaper than buying a Model 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 When Model 12 hunting, do NOT get a 3” Heavy Duck gun. I have not been able to make them run with 2 3/4” shells. As previously mentioned, the Lightweight versions don’t hold 6 shells. All Model 12s are takedowns and all will slam fire. I see some dealers advertise like those are super rare features. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Dan Posted October 18 Author Share Posted October 18 Thank you for the info. I was curious about the Heavy versions so you answered that for me. Prices are much higher than I expected. seems like $500 is the cheapest for a decent one that's not pitted upon Gunbroker and I have seen several in the thousands. I called around to all local pawn shops yesterday with no luck. I will continue to shoot my 87 until I find a good deal on one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC Moonshine Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 14 hours ago, Doc Holloman said: One rule change I hope that the TGs take up is allowing Model 12s in 20 gauge. We now allow SxS 20ga guns so the Model 12 should not be too objectionable.(The 97 was never made in 20ga.) Hi Doc, I know that more then one person has suggested that change. Be sure your WB-TG knows about your thoughts. Thanks, CC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 15 hours ago, Doc Holloman said: One rule change I hope that the TGs take up is allowing Model 12s in 20 gauge. We now allow SxS 20ga guns so the Model 12 should not be too objectionable.(The 97 was never made in 20ga.) As for a 20 ga, remember parts are about 10 harder to find than 12 ga. For every 20 gauge made, there was probably 100 12 gauges. Most all the parts will not interchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Dan Posted October 20 Author Share Posted October 20 Well, I just bought a '97 on Gunbroker. Figured I could shoot cowboy with it too. May still buy a 12 if I find a good deal on one later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 6 hours ago, Doc Holloman said: Before you buy a 12, check the manufacture date by the serial number, Early ones wee chambered for 2 1/2 inch shells. Actually, early 97s were as well. All 12 ga Model 12s were 2 3/4”. Except for Heavy Duck which were 3”. There were no short chambered 12 ga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Dan Posted October 20 Author Share Posted October 20 Just won an auction for a model 12. The ‘97 I bought has a 20” barrel but the 12 has the 30”. Should I have it cut down or leave it as is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal5 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Dan, When I got my model 12 it also had a 30 inch barrel. I got lucky and found a twenty two inch barrel with a rib on eBay for 125.00. If you want to keep the gun original search for an extra barrel you may get lucky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethan callahan Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Model 12 is my preferred shotgun in Wild Bunch, I switched from my 97 solid frame about 3 years ago. I am glad that you do not have to "declare" it anymore on the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Dan Posted Tuesday at 01:55 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:55 AM On 10/27/2024 at 6:42 AM, Marshal5 said: Dan, When I got my model 12 it also had a 30 inch barrel. I got lucky and found a twenty two inch barrel with a rib on eBay for 125.00. If you want to keep the gun original search for an extra barrel you may get lucky. That's a good idea. I will look around. Even if it's another 30" I could cut down and preserve the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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