Artemus

Don't penalize everyone.

Bear Creek has shot these two categories for about four years now. It was nothing but a whole lotta fun.

Both are eliminated now. As for why, I couldn't tell you because those two categories are a big step up in fun compared to the rest.

The concern for the powerfactor is more about the timers. Wild Bunch stage writing has a leg up in that previously we could shoot stages ending on the rifle. In wide open stages/ranges it has been found to be inconsistent timer pick up of rifle shots, especially as we see .38 rifles with a lower report than .22s. A consistent PF also makes use of KD targets easier for a MD to calibrate. I would say that moving rifle targets back makes low PF self correcting, but we are in a thread about Cowboy with 1911.

They are eliminating Teddy Roosevelt from main match categories.

3-5 stages is hardly a state match if you are doing it as a one day in front of a cowboy match.

What does the average roundcount per stage look like? Are the sidematches on Saturday? Long range sidematches?

Wouldn't picking it up and putting two shells in the chamber on the clock and setting it back down violate bullet 1 and/or 2? I learned of this oddity when we had this scenario occur during the WB sidematch at PoP last year, with you running the timer.

Unless it's been updated, the more quirky part is that while it can be staged with shells under TO supervision, if the shooter did not load it before the stage begins and starts. Then the shooter picks up the SG, loads two, realizes they grabbed the wrong firearm and sets down the SG open with two loaded it gets treated as setting down a loaded firearm.

If the rules are in the TG's hands and every WB TG meeting that has occurred had overwhelming support of a 150PF, why don't we put it to a vote and put it to bed. Starting in 2019, we had three years of double digit growth at our State WB matches, then all the rule change rumblings started and we've been down shooters ever since. I know this is localized data, but it is consistent in the adjacent state matches I've shot. I'm from the "Show-Me" state and I really need someone to show me the data to back up this membership change. The size of matches, both CB and WB do not reflect this change. As discussed in the EoT TG meeting if the low PF was a non-isssue then EoT should have felt comfortable running rifle last. Their rifle speed matches and other testing have not provided that comfort. CC I know your range is a lot like ours with most of the stages being covered/enclosed and maybe that's the difference vs the wide open at Ben Avery. If they aren't comfortable running rifle last at the World Championship, I don't feel like it's put to bed. We don't need a category just for those that make PF. Even with this, it would not fix the rifle not last issue unless you have category specific stage instructions. Our club has had zero participation with 38 rifles. I know this has had a few additional shooters at larger matches. However for the most part I have seen about half or more of the 38 shooters come from the existing WB shooter pool.

15lb variable power recoil, 19lb main

Who needs 20% clean when you have more than 20% with SDQ

There were a lot of SDQ. Too many of the adjacent stages had targets painted opposite, in ex. one stage the red was a multi hit and black targets were single hits. The next stage the targets were painted in the opposite way and added to confusion. The kill em all stage, was challenging for the shooters and TO alike since there were only 7 targets to a position and you could not shoot targets at the next position. This lead to lots of clearing guns for movement and SDQ. Every stage was rifle not last, which was found to be needed based on the prior year's speed rifle sidematch with 38s. We need to get back to a 150PF, so we can keep the game playable as you want. First five stages offered a little more flexibility in how the stages were shot vs the last five.

What does this entail, I understand there is an ROC now, but I was hoping to see the follow-up reports mentioned in SASS's evaluation last year. Especially a one year, to try and quantify the change. If progress is being made let's communicate it. Hell, shout it from the roof top. I have communicated directly in the past on at least a few matters. I am more than happy to do so when that seems to be the appropriate method. I fully understand your remark about the impression this leaves with newer WB shooters. However, I would say that posting things like this can provide a barometer to if someone's opinions are shared or unique. Additionally, garnering public support is one of the most effective tools to drive change. CC, I will unabashedly say I was happy to see that you shot the WB match at Land Run. That was one of the best gestures, in seeing someone from "SASS" be it advisory board or otherwise participate in an upper level WB match.

It doesn't sadly, just real tired of everything that's been lost in the last couple of years for nothing to be better. More progress in equal standing was made by EoT in changing the verbage, having a dedicated WB shoot off and awards. Land Run following this lead only helped reinforce what looked like progress. Now we are back to fighting to keep what we had, at least that's how it felt leaving that last TG meeting.