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OK, using that logic, why use any time at all to make sure it is CLEAR, at the end of the stage?

That is my point, should safety issues be considered of higher importance than "if you think it is a miss then it is a hit"

Hijack--- There maybe a discussion here. Hit-Miss? Benefit-of-the-doubt does and should go to the shooter. What about safety issues? IMHO, what the shooter did was NOT safe. I was unable to hear if the TO made a call regarding the pistol. It appears the shooter grabbed the pistol preventing further discussion. Making a joke of the issue. Which is a problem. Potentially Spirit of the Game. Assuming the 170 was determined to be a "no call", SDQ for unsafe gun handling.

Credit 2001 D. Kamm m1911.org DISCONNECTOR TEST: Slide forward, hammer back, thumb safety OFF. Grip gun normally with firing hand, while pulling slide back 1/4" with support hand. Pull trigger. Hammer should not fall. Repeat test by pulling slide all the way back, then releasing it slowly, pulling trigger every 1/2" of slide movement. The hammer should NOT fall until the slide has returned to the full forward position. If it does then the disconnector is worn. DO NOT fire the pistol until it is repaired, or else it may possibly go into firing uncontrollable bursts or go completely "full-auto".

A few years ago at the NV state match, it WAS done. I do not have statistics, but I would venture many (less than 1/2) ever done a safety test. Especially after a full cleaning. And I doubt many shooters know how to do a disconnector test.

Who does a function check at matches? https://www.m1911.org/technic25.htm The disconnector test is REALLY critical.

I fully support....communication and openness!!!!

Without any hesitation stage 8. Everyone had the opportunity to shoot blazing fast and still be CLEAN. No need for spotters either the target is down or not. Stage 5 could have been more interesting if the shotgun used all three positions. *Comment* As a PM, fun stages for shooters become stressful stages for TO, spotters and PM. "Fun" for me, happens when the stage has elements to consider.

CAS has a who's coming!!! I cannot find the WBAS list???

Battle Born Rangers typically offer both as part of the monthly Wild Bunch Matches. Along with BIG BORE at the CAS matches. They were also part of the Nevada State Wild Bunch match in 2023.

Battle Born Rangers range is at the Washoe County Shooting Facility north of Reno NV

It is common if not expected that Teddy Roosevelt and Doughboy are part of our monthly Wild Bunch Matches.

I am referring to sanctioned matches. Which is the source of my quote

From the announcement 3. Teddy Roosevelt and Doughboy will no longer be official WBAS Main match categories. They will be moved back to WBAS Side match status. What could have been stated is that because some ranges are not able to accommodate the required distances, clubs are not obligated to offer Teddy Roosevelt and Doughboy. Doing so allows clubs the option

SASS has made some important changes to Wild Bunch. I'll let others share the changes. Make sure you contact your TG and VOTE

Is SASS Wild Bunch Action Shooting really Cowboy Action Shooting with a 1911? My introduction to the 1911 was with my local SASS clubs, High Plains Drifters and ROOP. I was new to SASS and was really enjoying the change from IDPA. My local clubs arranged to have Sutter Lawman teach a local Wild Bunch RO class. This was 10+ years ago. I recall him stating several times that WB is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. Towards the end of the course, he mentioned that he was working with the WB Committee for a rule change. Currently the WB magazines were limited to holding only FIVE rounds. Evidently when WB started it was a side match using the stages from Cowboy, therefore five rounds to match Cowboy stage descriptions. Hmmm, sounds like Cowboy with a 1911 to me? Soon after the WB Committee did change the round count from five to the current seven. Ah, I am thinking, breaking away from Cowboy **. Ok, enough of the history lesson. Two years ago, SASS was very concerned about the profitability of Wild Bunch. There were many opinions, as far as I am concerned it does not matter. There was/is a goal to increase participation, GREAT!!!! My thoughts. Retain the WB Category structure of several years ago and create a new category, “Open”. In Open category any caliber 1911 is allowed. Any Cowboy rifle and shotgun are allowed (including Model 12). Power factor of 150 for both pistols and rifle. What??? Yes, 150. 38’s (.357) are available at 158+ grains and higher which keeps speed below 1000 fps, also 9 mm at 160 grains (Bear Creek & Bayou). This keeps with the concept that Wild Bunch is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. For those shooters that want to shoot their 105 grain 38 SPL, I say this is "Wild Bunch, NOT Cowboy with a 1911" **. What another category??? Noooooo you say!! OK then using the above suggestion for power factor allow 9mm and any legal cowboy long gun in the Modern Category. Return Traditional to the way it was several years ago, 40 caliber and higher, pump shotgun. Still not convinced, very sad I say **. At least LEAVE Traditional alone as it is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. You want Cowboy with a 1911 then mess with Modern. My suggestions do not EXCLUDE anyone and retains some history of SASS Wild Bunch Action Shooting. ** BTW from slide #4 of the WBAS course: However, there are distinct differences between the 2 disciplines, and it is important to remember that WBAS was not developed to be, nor is it to be presented as “CAS with a 1911”.

GREAT . . . a non issue. I now hope that stage writers will stop putting all the rifle targets in the center.

??? I am not sure what you see. I see a large font with text centered in post. I just scraped it from the email about the survey

Interesting Here is the original survey I was sent on March 17, 2025       YES / NO   5. Increase age-based categories: Open or Classic age category, up to 60 years; then Senior from 60 to 70 years; and Super Senior 70+?       YES / NO   6. Should shotgun misses be allowed to made up?        YES / NO   7. Enable "rifle to be last" in WB stage design?              YES / NO

FWR, What about question #7?

https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/topic/392109-2025-land-run-tg-meeting/

I just posted on the TG wire asking about an addenda for the TG meeting. I am not aware of any discussion regarding the TG meeting. I hope the results of this survey will lead to action.

In the file above #7 was not displayed. Here is the #7 my club voted on-- 7. Enable "rifle to be last" in WB stage design?              YES / NO 72% votes YES

Hmmm care to elaborate?

FaceBook????? What the hell is that?