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SAVE THE DATES---- JULY 31, 2027 AND AUGUST 1, 2027 for SASS presents the Saginaw Showdown, Michigan Wild Bunch State Championship 2027. 10 great stages of Wild Bunch fun, camp next to our lake, lunch provided Saturday, awards dinner provided Sunday, over $3600 in raffle prizes given away last year. ---SAVE THE DATE

The TO gave the command to insert the magazine BEFORE the beep. When the TO remembered or the shooter reminded him. The shooter began the stage with the pistol in Condition Three.

I've had a few '73's, and they are my favorite lever guns. I've held onto this one just because it's different, but it's smooth. I like different, and traditional at the same time, if that makes any sense? I had a 1885 that was in 6.5, and I lent it to a friend, and he took it to far west Texas, and was hitting targets out to around 1300 yards. He wanted it at the time, and I blinked, so he found something different. I did eventually find it a new home earlier this year. I have a couple of others, and now I'm back to hoping that I can get back into this. My first love is a good SAA, but when I went down the rabbit hole of 1911's, I took several branches. 1911's turn into 2011's, then something close but different, so then it's Browning Hi-Power, then CZ's, etc. That reminds me, I have a couple of projects that came back, and I need to get them out and smooth them out after being cerakoted. I don't generally get on any kind of media, but when it cools off a little more, and I finish up my rework on the house projects, I may have to dust off a couple of things that I'm working on, and share a couple of photos on here. I'm not into "Blingy" things, but I do have a thing or two that is a little different from everyone else. I may have to make a couple of new post post in the future, and see what ya'll think. Thanks for all the feedback, and I think I will stay with my current cards for now.

That would be Condition 4, as defined by Jeff Cooper. Wild Bunch was developed using a Condition 3 carry from the loading table to the firing line - hammer down on empty chamber, and a loaded magazine inserted. And after unloading table, hammer down on totally empty gun. If folks are practicing using Condition 4, they are not really getting ready for a big match. good luck, GJ

That would be the same as having to load yer revolvers on the clock, makes no sense. kR

For the right price there is always interest! Although usually folks that need to be coerced to sell one of their prized firearms usually do not do so cheaply!

Ditto

You are correct.

We do some mixed matches with only real difference being the 1911 shooters using only 5 in the mag. Don't recall if it was put in the pistol at the loading table or in the clock. I think it's on the clock! The few that do it seem to have good time!

The MD of a local CAS club had the impression that WBAS rules allowed shooters to have a magazine in the holstered pistol at all times during the match. I assured him that I had never seen this at a match (except of course when the shooter is called to the stage from the LT). I was reviewing the SHB to determine what penalty might apply if a participant was walking around with a magazine inserted. Some relevant rules: ”All firearms will remain unloaded except while under direct observation of a designated person on the firing line or in the designated loading and unloading area.” p.22 This does not address an empty magazine inserted in the gun, or a magazine with rounds, since a Wild Bunch firearm is not “loaded” until a round is chambered. I think the answer is under “1911 PISTOL-RANGE OPERATIONS” 1911 Operations at the Loading Table ”A magazine will be inserted in the 1911, with the chamber empty/clear.” p. 15 ”At the end of the course of fire, the 1911 must be shown clear on the firing line [requiring removal of the magazine]…Place the cleared, safe pistol in the holster.” pp 14-15 Arguably inserting a magazine (whether containing ammunition or not) at other times is a SDQ for “Failure to adhere to loading and unloading procedures.” p 29 What say you?

I don’t think I have ever heard CAS awards announced as (for example) “Men’s Duelist”. Of course not, because there are no men’s only categories. The WBAS handbook has always, to my knowledge, included the same language: There are no men’s only categories. Despite that I often see category signup sheets, scoresheets and awards for “Men’s Modern” and the like. I just saw a photo of buckles to be awarded at the SE Regionals, same thing. If an accomplished lady shooter chose to compete in a base category and won, would she want an award with that label. It’s just inconsistent with the SHB that we say we follow.

I shot the local club’s “mixed” match yesterday and it was fun. They plan to have a mixed match in October, then a real Wild Bunch match in November. The MD wrote a club rule that WB shooters would not insert a magazine at the LT. Instead, the shooter would stage the rifle and shotgun, then the TO would give a “load and make ready” command. On the second stage the TO forgot to give me the command and I forgot to remind him (being accustomed to inserting a mag at the LT). The pistol was not the first gun so I had to insert a magazine on the clock. It became something of a game for the WB shooters to see if the TO would remember.

I wish they'd just modify the rules to allow any wood stock pump shotgun in Wild Bunch, at least in the modern category. I'm not sure we are gaining anything by requiring a particular model. I view it as different than CAS because the 97 is pretty unique in appearance. It'd be so much easier for people to start shooting if they didn't need a particular shotgun. Allowing side by sides a few years ago was a step in the right direction, but we ought to take it further.

Lonestar Hoss, Putting rounds down range is definitely therapeutic, whether it's in a competition or by yourself at the range. Just shoot for fun. 😁

I'm still on the fence on whether to let it go or not. It's my last 73, and it is just sweet to shoot. I may wait a while and see if I can improve my abilities. I wasn't much of a threat to win anything before, and I still find putting rounds downrange therapeutic. I mostly do off of a rest with much smaller things now, but would really like to get back to being able to complete a stage, and hopefully a match.

He also had a lot to offer.

Try listing it in the classifieds. That's where you will find interested parties. Marshal Stone

He was too vocal criticizing how things were being done especially all the changes that were happening in WB. Marshal Stone

I know that we're not supposed "To Go Fishing For Sales", but I've been out of the game for a few years, and I doubt that I will shoot much, if ever. I do keep my membership with SASS, as I do still buy and sell a few things. I have a 24" 1873 that I had sent off to be converted to 45 ACP, and it's probably had less than 300 rounds through it. If there is still any interest in a set up like this, I'm just trying get a ballpark figure. IF someone is interested, I can get more particulars, and post some pictures. If you want to PM me with your thoughts or questions, instead of replying here, I get it. I can assure that I'm NOT a scammer, and if the moderators think that this isn't a proper post, then I will delete it. I think that it has a Pioneer SS, not the super short, and a brass lifter. I sent it to Cody to have the conversion done. Anyhow, I'm just wondering if anyone still uses these, or if I assembled a Dodo bird. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, LH

What the heck did he do to get banned from both wires? He often had useful information to share. Wondered what happened to him.

FWI Boggus has been banned from the wire. He will see this but won't be able to respond. Marshal Stone

No real safety issues with the Remington Model 10. It is capable of slam firing just like the 97 and Model 12. Action is complicated and therefore not very reliable. I doubt that one would stand up to the rigors of Wild Bunch

Yes! I will have a lot at Land Run as it seems folks’ ammo seems to let them down at big events! 🥰 Hugs! Scarlett

I remember when SASS outlawed the Marlin shotgun cause they considered it dangerous (even with light loads). I even got to help someone out when their 98 bolt let loose and struck them in the face. thanks FWR - i’ll stick to the W brand

Possibly safety?