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2025 NY State Wild Bunch Championship
Seth Bradford replied to Seth Bradford's topic in Wild Bunch Matches
Still time to get your application in, I’d love to see 70 shooters this year! - Yesterday
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There is no penalty for overloading any firearm. It's what you do with that unfired round which earns the penalty. In the case of rifles: overloaded round fired = P; left in mag tube/on carrier = MSV; any portion in chamber = SDQ; used to complete shooting string = M + P; ejected = No Call. In the case of pistol: if fired = P; if used to compete shooting string = P + M; if left under the hammer = SDQ; if left in cylinder, but not under hammer, = No Call.
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No they won't. Only if they cocked that revolver and then de-cocked it - following having shot 5 rounds. The almost always occurring situation is they fire their fifth round and directly holster and the gun is safe for movement (hammer down on that last fired round) even if there is a live round in the NEXT chamber of the cylinder. That illustrates the possible safety impact of overloading a semiauto pistol as compared to the almost insignificant danger caused by overloading a revolver. Not totally OK. Penalty for overloading the revolver in Cowboy (usually assessed by the unloading table officer) is covered by a rule: Failure to adhere to loading instructions - which is a Stage DQ. good luck, GJ
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I am wondering what the difference is in re-holstering your revolvers and moving. someone may have loaded a 6th round by mistake and have a non transfer bar revolver with a live round under the hammer. I think, loaded or not, if the gun is holstered and the trigger is covered, it's a pretty safe gun. Other than the Sig P320, I have not heard of a gun going off while holstered. I am not saying the rules should be changed, just pointing out the fact that in CAS it's okay, but not in WBAS?
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First rig: J.M. Ross belt, holster, mag pouches and ammo slide. Belt measures 46” to center hole sold Second rig: second rig unmarked also 46” to center.sold
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El Chapo, Which shooting sports, action shooting, allowed reholstering a pistol without it being cleared by a "safety Officer" during a course of fire?
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My first 1911 was a Ruger back when they first came out. I traded it off like an idiot.
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I had been only buying Wilson Combat mags prior to shooting WB. I have found that, for the money, it's hard to beat the Metalform mags. They are an OEM manufacturer of many brands.
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I would suggest you contact your TG, provide them with actual handbook citations regarding this issue, and help them work on it. It all starts with the TG's.
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Not true. It cannot be required but it is not prohibited to holster a pistol on the clock in all of the other handgun shooting sports where I have shot tens of thousands of rounds through a 1911. It is not required that one do any of those things. The other sports 1) require a holster that covers the trigger and 2) permit the holstering of a pistol with a round in the chamber and the safety applied. Really, it's that simple. In 5 decades of matches it has been proven that those safety rules are completely sufficient. If the gun falls out of the holster, it's a match DQ. Pick your holster carefully. What we need is a serious culture and attitude change toward the automatic.
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There are other action pistol sports in which reholstering the pistol is not allowed or at least discouraged.
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New! 5th Saturday Belton, SC
Abe E.S. Corpus replied to Abe E.S. Corpus's topic in Wild Bunch Matches
Belton will hold a six stage WB match on Saturday, May 31, 2025. Register online and see the stages at BeltonBushwhackers dot com. -
Grizzly Peak Jake started following NOT CAS with a 1911!!
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except when in slide lock, it's easier for it to fall out of the holster. Also, it would then require you to drop mag, slide forward, pull trigger, to ensure you don't have a live round in the chamber. Too much time, and chances for baaad mistakes.
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Maybe that's something we can fix someday. There's no reason a safely holstered pistol should be any kind of penalty.
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Sadly, I came in 10th out of 27. Was a hoot though.
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I found out (The hard way) that WBAS is NOT just CAS with a 1911. I shoot a stage where you had to move to shoot your shotgun last and re-holstered my pistol and all I heard was "waaaaaaaait" but, alas, it was too late. Being that I have shot way more CAS matches, I was used to doing that with my revolver(s). I still don't understand the logic but now at least I know.
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Lead Hollow Points for pistol?
Sedalia Dave replied to Flying W Ramrod's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
Missed that. Thanks for the correction. -
Easily made the smoke standard. Without compression, a 45 ACP case will hold about 1.1 cc of powder when using a 230 grain bullet.
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Hey, Mortman; I know that Wild Bunch matches are few and far between here in CA. Next Thursday, 04/01/25, the State Championship at Cajon will be featuring a 4 stage Wild Bunch Side match. Ambs Aces runs a monthly up in the San Luis Obispo area, once a month. I've made it up there and it was worth the drive; a good, fun match. Hope to see you at the range! Cheers, FJT
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Lead Hollow Points for pistol?
Abe E.S. Corpus replied to Flying W Ramrod's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
Personally I’ve never thought a hollow point bullet to present a greater risk but “them’s the rules”. -
Quick report on the Metro Arms [Phillipines] 1911A1, excellent sights and has nice Mahogany grips. Will need to have trigger replaced with a solid unit. Accuracy from a .38 Super I shot was outstanding, so I will guess the .45 will be a good shooter too. Parkerized and Chrome plated versions [the chrome was sent back to the distributor for blemishes, but the Parkerized was very good looking]. MSRP from $549-899. Comes with a nice hard case and one magazine.
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I love wild bunch. Been competing in it for 11 years. All my rifles are 44-45cal, never owned a 38cal, never wanted to. But now with the 38cal mouse fart loads being used, I will likely have to buy a new rifle and reloading setup just to try to stay competitive. Power factor and the faster speed of cycling the 38's are my issues. Running a rifle up to a couple of seconds faster, per stage, adds up in a big match.... A seperate category for 38cal mild bunch could be made. Maybe even add 9mm 1911's to it....
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I will go on record and say if it wasn't for the 38 rifle rule, I wouldn't be here. It wasn't a big deal to buy a Model 12, but a rifle costs 10x what my Model 12 cost me. It was bad enough that I had to knock off my fiber optic sight (but I can paint the red dot on the front sight if I want?), remove my magwell, and buy an entirely separate set of magazines, but at least I didn't have to drop a few grand on a rifle. None of those are places where serious competition shooters are looking. You should be running ads on Instagram and making promotional videos to show people how Wild Bunch is a dynamic and athletic shooting sport. Maybe cut out the sections where people are drawing an empty gun or moving with the gun at slide lock though, as showing that will be counterproductive.
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I will go on record and say if it wasn't for the 38 rifle rule, I wouldn't be here. It wasn't a big deal to buy a Model 12, but a rifle costs 10x what my Model 12 cost me. It was bad enough that I had to knock off my fiber optic sight (but I can paint the red dot on the front sight if I want?), remove my magwell, and buy an entirely separate set of magazines, but at least I didn't have to drop a few grand on a rifle. None of those are places where serious competition shooters are looking. You should be running ads on Instagram and making promotional videos to show people how Wild Bunch is a dynamic and athletic shooting sport. Maybe cut out the sections where people are drawing an empty gun or moving with the gun at slide lock though, as showing that will be counterproductive.