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First is a new in box Wiley Clapp edition. Checkered front strap, brass bead front sight, tapered oval stocks. Out of production and getting scarce. $1650 shipped Second is a Combat Elite. It is used but like new. It’s WB ready. MIM internal parts replaced with billet. Plastic parts replaced with metal. Tritium sights. 2 magazines $1700 shipped

Remedial counting lessons 😄

Procedure and the time it took to load and shoot it.

Procedural for firing more rounds than required by the stage instructions.

Pistok and shot not in play. Shooter shoots the sequence properly then thinks he jacks a rifle round out, he loads the 11th round from the body and puts a third round on the last target, requiring two rounds. What's the call? Thanks Smokewagon Grampies

Before the shoot they were offering to check anyone that wanted their ammo checked. Two years ago they had a WB shooter prize of a Garmin chrono. Kid Rich won it. kR

A lot of folks use it to ensure PF in case there's a challenge.

This also includes the IAC 93/97. It is only legal in Wild Bunch. The original "93 IS NOT LEGAL. Marshal Stone

There was a chrono set up at Land Run last year, did not seem to be mandatory. kR

Yes, any shotgun legal for Cowboy or legal for WB. Any WB shotgun would have already been legal under the previous rules. Welcome to Wild Bunch. good luck, GJ

Can one use a Model 12 for the new Modern category? The rules say any SASS legal shotgun. Does that mean any cowboy shotgun? Does that mean any Wild Bunch shotgun also?

Hmmm... the OP asked a question and received a very plausible answer in the first response. Unless you were involved in drafting either set of rules... it's just speculation on your part, and your speculation is just as valid as the next person's. Nothing to get worked up about. The earliest rule book I have digitized (1989), specifies that #4 shot is the largest allowable. Somewhere I have rule books from EOT in 1986 & the original SASS rule book from 1987. As I recall, both specify the same. So that rule pre-dates my earliest recollections in cowboy action. If that rule follows the trend of other rules, it's in place because someone use a larger shot size and created a real or perceived safety hazard. 'Nough said. I've used #7-½, 8 & 9 shot in both CAS and WB and haven't encountered a difference worth noting. The earliest WB Handbook I have digitized is from 2009, the first edition and specifies the largest size shot as #6. No explanation provided. GJ's speculation is certainly plausible. Maybe PM Happy Jack, as I seem to recall his being involved in drafting the initial WB rules. Or, at least an early member of the WBROC. Really? Differences of opinion are inevitable. Expressing varied opinions are what make us THINK. It's called communicating. And communicating is what makes a community. SASS is a big community... I don't know anyone that agrees with EVERYTHING... And if they do... I have to wonder they've ever had an independent thought?

The Mag release button may be "extended," or longer, but cannot be oversized, or have a bigger radius, as mentioned above.

SHB Pg. 10. 4th line down. "Any firearm modification not referenced in this handbook is prohibited." So, nope.

SHB Page 10, 4th line down. "Any firearm modification not referenced in this handbook is prohibited." So, nope.

After reloading for the 45 Auto for 50+ years, without a checker of any sort, 1st on a RCBS Jr single stage, then since 1987 on a Dillon 550B, no problems to speak of*. Until WB came along, I'd only loaded two bullets in the 45 Auto. A H&G 68 for target work and Speers 4477 HP for SD. They simply worked in all 4 of my 1911s, a Gold Cup, surplus Navy issue Colt, a parts gun I built and a Combat Commander. This entire time I loaded using the same RCBS die set until I got the Dillon. So... in 1987 I began using a Dillon Carbide sizer, but the kept using RCBS seat/crimp die. Frankly, the 45 Auto is so easy to load for, it surprises me when folks have problems. Cases don't grow in length like a rifle cartridge, if anything, they get beat a little shorter, but that's never seemed to become a problem. I've never encountered a split case. When I put my Combat Commander on my "duty gun" list in 1982, the department armorer found an issue I'd been totally unaware of... Something he called "ramping"... Now, all of a sudden my carry gun could feed full wadcutters. I still somewhat haphazardly load my 45 Auto rounds... a 200 grain RFN in front of 4.3 grains of TiteGroup and a Winchester WLP yield ~800 fps for a PF of around 160. This load works a treat in my two Taylor's Tactical 1911s, a Rock Island, and the 4 mentioned above. They've all been "ramped", had the rails polished and run with oil. Most issues with the 1911 platform are with the magazines and operator. You simply cannot "limp wrist" one. While Tripp Research & Wilson Combat mags are probably the best, my CMC Shooting Star mags have served me well.** The worst issue with the 45 Auto is small primer cases. * Besides... ain't an occasional bump with the palm part of the standard "manual of arms" for the 1911? 😁 ** I don't care who the maker is... when folks walk on 'em... they're pretty much toast! So watch where you put your clodhoppers! Learn how to keep your magazines clean, follower straight and lips bent. I'm still using some military mags issued in the early '70s. With proper maintenance, they can last a lifetime. (Theirs, not yours, metal does fatigue).

See your question answered in the General Wire section. GJ

Didn't find it? Then the modification of using an oversized mag release is illegal. Unless it's a completely internal modification, in which case it IS allowed. Now, the Traditional 1911 may have neither extended nor oversized release: And the Modern 1911 may have an extended release but not an oversized one: I'll take it that the question you had was about the Mag Release, not about the Thumb Safety that the title of the post seems to talk about. For that, the Traditional pistol uses only a standard Thumb safety. And the Modern can use an extended thumb safety. See same Pistol Modifications lists on page 13. Grip Safety follows the same pattern - standard grip safety nromally, but a oversized (beavertail) safety allowed on Modern guns. good luck, GJ

Hundos are absolutely still made, you just have to put in an email notification and wait for them to come in stock. A friend of mine has the Armanov (I think) and if it's the one he has, that thing is a masterpiece, just very expensive.

Are over sized magazine releases allowed? I see where they can be extended but couldn't find anything on over sized.

Are oversized magazine releases allowed? I know you can use extended ones but can't find anything on oversized.

Last year we had about $2500 in prizes and raffles. 2 guns, full rigs, bullets, glasses etc.... This year we have a Model 12, 3 wild bunch rigs, bullets, whiskey, eye glass gift certificates, knives, ar-500 targets, engraved items, coasters, gun cart personalized name plates, and a surprised hand autographed Tombstone poster signed by a cast member.... Sign up by May 10th for a Free t-shirt.

Hundo Shockbottle case gauges haven’t been available for some time now. bear Metal Design made this one to his specs for a reason. He happily allowed me to return it for a full refund including the costs. I replaced it with one from Armanov. Much more expensive but their stuff is first class!

The Shock Bottle Hundo is what you want for that. Or your barrel.

Unfortunately even the reputable manufacturers miss the mark. I've discovered that my L.E. Wilson case gage for 44-40 is not made correctly. The portion that is supposed to check the case neck diameter is WAY over sized. Unfortunately I discovered this long after I bought it so I doubt that they'll make it right.