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I have 141 polished WW .38-40 brass once fired cases for sale. Will ship for $50. Your choice of payment. Dirtfarmer (Tramway101@Bellsouth.net)

If there's any in the top 10 with 150 pf rifles, the entire argument is over. That said, I'll see this year. I don't have a big rifle so I'll be shooting my .38.

The real question ought to be who is using #4 at a CAS match? That is unnecessary for sure. Maybe it was written in the lead era and people wanted to use their duck ammo?

Howdy Sailor, the WBROC has discussed this issue and are working to clarify it CM

I've been running 4.3 gr. of VV N320 with a 230 gr. Desperado Cowboy bullet. Won 2 Senior Traditional World Championships with it. One with an SR 1911 and one with a Colt. Must be doing something right. Marshal Stone

Pistol was initially restaged properly but was hit by the rifle when it was discarded changing it resting place. Hard to tell from the video if it broke the 170. Those with eyes on the pistol should make the call. As the shooter stated where's the protractor to determine if the 170 was broken. Marshal Stone

What was the basis for that call?

You have to be on the firing line to determine "breaking the 170." Looking at a video is NOT the way to judge it. I'll trust the eye witnesses who were right there. good luck, GJ

The pistol flipped over (didn't rotate) and it doesn't look like it's breaking the 170°. It's close but I personally don't think it is....

MSV was called. There was discussion on how the pistol got into the position. Should be SDQ. As for the finger at the start. I had it pinned to the top front side of the trigger guard where it meets the frame. Totes

There is no rule about keeping the trigger finger off the trigger when initially charging the pistol. The only finger rule is; when changing mags, moving, correcting malfunctions. WBAS SHB Pg 14 "When handling the 1911, the shooter’s trigger finger must be outside the trigger guard when moving, reloading, or clearing a malfunction after the pistol is first charged." No call on the trigger finger. SDQ on the 1911 after the rifle smacked it, though.

I couldn't discern the trigger finger. But agree with SDQ for breaking the 170 with the pistol. What was the actual call?

I couldn't tell if the finger was in the trigger guard at the start or along side the frame...as at the second position. I shoot traditional...and sometimes get yelled at for finger...but what I am doing is hitting the mag release

Broke the 170, SDQ Hard to see at the start, what about the finger on the trigger while racking the slide?

Scenario is irrelevant. Watch the pistol when the rifle is discarded. WTC? WB_WTC.MP4

Don't have my load data readily available but I've had great success with TightGroup.

Out of what powders you have, TiteGroup will run the 1911 better over a wide range of loads. The best 1911 powders IME, and also classics, are WST, Unique and Bullseye. good luck, GJ

Holster made custom by Slickbald Customs $150 shipped Colt MK IV Series 70 9mm barrel 5” $100 shipped

7 in the top 10 were shooting .38s 12 in the top 20 were shooting .38s

Didn't seem to help anyone at EoT. We'll see with more match data.

If you run a slower powder, you may just have to bump up the load a bit to get enough slide speed. Where you're at isn't the worst choice, but W231 is better suited to 9mm powder capacity than a huge, low pressure case.

CLAYS? Yeah like it’s readily available… I have: TITEWad, TrailBoss, Titegroup, W231, CFE P, HS6, N320. Not real interested in adding yet another powder.

I may not have the extensive shooting experience or resume of others on this thread, but, having timed it on numerous occasions, there is slightly more than a 1/2 second advantage for me on a 10 shot string, using my .38/357 rifle and loads. Over 10 stages that is quite significant. YMMV. Cheers, FJT

This is a forum, not an airport. There's no need to announce your departure.

I'm glad you have so much success with your target. All steel moves when hit, that's the nature of the beast. Not every club uses AR500 steel. 150PF Rifle, is not a factor in whether clubs, or shooters, don't shoot WB. It's desire only. Shooters can use any SASS legal, .38 and above, rifle and shotgun. Rock Island offers a GI 1911 for 659.00. You can find them cheaper. It's desire, nothing else. And I'm done with this conversation