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To One and All, Firelands Peacemakers are once again presenting the Ohio State Wild Bunch Championship. The match will be held on October 25 - 26, 2025. We will be offering 10 Main stages (6 on Saturday, 4 on Sunday), a banquet Saturday evening and onsite dry camping. We hope to see you there! Boonie Young Firelands Peacemakers, a SASS affiliated club Committee Members: · Harry Yount – Firelands Peacemakers Chairman · J. W. Buckshot – Match Director · Cripple Creek Kid · Boonie Young – Special Events Match Director Rochester Rod & Gun Club Club Officers: · President: Joe Yusko · VP: Dave Siefer · Treasurer: Nate Willson · NRA Recruiter: Emory King Hunt, Fish and Gun Club, Established in 1940 204 Eagle St. Rochester Ohio 44090 NRA Affiliated Member of the Ohio Rifle and Pistol Association Member of the Civilian Marksmanship Program Registration form and schedule of events located at www.firelandspeacemakers.com or https://www.facebook.com/groups/145162821830225
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Pennsylvania SASS Wild Bunch State Championship
Seth Bradford replied to Cholula Mike's topic in Wild Bunch Matches
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Colorado state Wild Bunch registration
Flying W Ramrod replied to Oak Creek Martin's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
Just put a stop on the first check. Second check, and application, filled out and in envelope. Going to Post Office in the morning. See you all in June -
Competition or Entertainment
Frederick Jackson Turner replied to Jorge's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
One of the boilerplate axioms in the entertainment business is, "The audience will let you know." Without arguing semantics, one of the reasons folks spend the time, money and effort that they do on this, or any other sort is for fun. Whether or not that's entertainment, you can argue on your own time. If the time effort and money spent doesn't offer some value or return on investment, then they will find something else to do. Most of us work hard for our money, and this should provide an escape or a pleasant getaway from the realities of modern life. After a match designer, be it legendary T.A. Chance, RePhil, or Lassiter, or your local guy/gal, designs stages for any length of time, they will find that shooters tend to comment on stages, favorably, or otherwise. The good ones should go into a file folder that you can trundle out again occasionally, and the ones with lots of "P"s or misses might go into another, rather more circular file. No more that one trick per stage. Par times should be roughly equal for all stages. Difficult scenarios should have easier target acquisition; tougher targets should have simpler instructions. Have a good mix of sweeps, but don't try to re-invent the wheel. Data mine your matches, listen to your shooters. Keep that file folder. And the audience will let you know. And always, respect to all those hearty souls who stay up late designing those stages, huck the steel before the match, and put it away when most of us have already headed home. Cheers, FJT -
We are pleased to inform you that we are once again accepting applications for the 2025 SASS Colorado State Wild Bunch Championship. The application form is available through our website: (www.sandcreekraiders.org) If we received your application already, you should have received an email from me confirming your registration. If you did not receive an email from me, please re-submit your application as it was not received. If you have any questions, please contact me, Doc Holidaily, at 303-513-5116 or email: docholidaily@gmail.com We thank you for your patience and understanding, and look forward to seeing you at the range. Thank you and God bless! Doc Holidaily President Sand Creek Raiders
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As we've seen in the past, if you make the match too challenging, (so no one can clean it, P traps, weird sweeps, target size and placement) and the shooters aren't having fun, "entertainment", they won't come back, "loss of revenue". No club can withstand loss of revenue.
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I suppose that any sport or activity done as an amateur, not for pay, Professional, could be called entertainment then. Yet I would wager that many who do any particular "sport," take it more seriously than just for the entertainment value. Now the costume contests might be considered entertainment. That would be another thread, indeed The fireworks that you often have with the Big Matches are Entertainment. As far as having a match, really at any level, I would think that the successful matches are well thought out so they are perceived as a fair challenge for the competitors, as you allude to. A match Director wants the event to be well regarded both for reputation and for the returning business (Dollars). It does take money to have good matches, no doubt. The matches that I have attended at Paradise Pass have been for the most part fair, reasonable matches, to you and your Match Directors credit. But I have never gone to a match to be entertained.
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15lb variable power recoil, 19lb main
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Howdy all, I don't disagree with the concept that larger matches have to be something extra special. As a match director, range owner, and shooter for 20+ years. I might offer this train of thought. As the match moves up the scale (state, Territorial, region, national, world) I believe the attendance (number of competition ) starts setting the bar for how hard the match is. Meaning small errors, a miss, P, bad mag change, malfunction or jacked round can cost you several places at a big match, where at a small match maybe one or two spots or not at all. So that in it's self increases the challenge. Next, yes I think the targets can be out there but not more then a yard or two farther then normal placement. I say this because we shoot matches throughout the year and are all showing up to use our skill on what we have been doing, in an attempt to "best" a big field of competitors. This shouldn't be " the one that wins is the one that adapts the best to survive ". WBAS is an entertainment sport as is CAS, as is NCOWS, as is zoot, ect..... It's an entertainment sport because no one makes a living doing it. In fact we all pay money to do it, use our days off, practice ( some do 😂) and we don't win money or have to level up to get to the world championship. We sign up. If we want to increase the competition and self induce the adrenaline of competition then push yourself outside your comfort zone on the stage, try and pull off a 12 second stage. But remember, a match is not judged on attendance the first year, it's judged by those that return the next year. In 2005-2010 We had a CAS match Director that absolutely believed that the best match was one that was almost imposable to clean, and sweeps that provided several "P's" in a match. In 2010 I made a change and we brought things around and tried to average 18-30% clean, main stream sweeps, but maybe heavier movement or gun transition were added. Our attendance within 6 months went from 20 per month avg. to 45 avg. Our state shoot went from 103 the last year under the old guard, to 180+ just 2 years later. People enjoyed it more, plan and simple. We keep our matches at Paradise Pass, very entertaining, challenging, but extremely reasonable for the average shooter to at least not feel defeated at the end. Remember the same people win, no matter the difficulty of the match, and that's ok, because they worked for it to be prepared and practiced. We as match directors should never approach a match with a wish or will to put all those outside of first place in feeling they didn't enjoy the event. Have a fantastic evening, CC Moonshine
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Th Rugers are great guns. I don’t think a Lightweight would be my choice for Wild Bunch.
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Next on my list to get! Shoulda bought that instead of the Springfield but at the time I could only get the Springfield.
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Queen of Bling has 2. Always need a backup 😄
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Santa got one for Misty for Christmas, She loves it! It was pretty great right out of the box, a little slick up here and there and it was perfect. We do a lot of 1911 tune ups in our gun shop and it took me about a 1/3 of the time to work this one over since it was so good from the box.
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Highly recommended , only way I feel you can dry fire without worrying about a broken firing pin. ST
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Deacon KC started following G&A review of Ruger SR1911
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I have handled this gun in .45 ACP at my shop and it is so nice. It will be in Modern category. https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/ruger-sr1911-lightweight-pistol-review/517369?utm_source=WhatCounts-Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=AMO12-Months-engagement&utm_content=AMO Tuesday#replay
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Grizzly Peak Jake started following Recoil springs in 1911
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For 45 ACP, I use a 14 pound recoil and 19 pound main. For 9mm and 40, I drop the main to 17 pounds and the recoil to 10 and 12.5, respectively. I use ISMI springs. Main spring should last a good long time. Recoil change it out every few years or more if you shoot a lot. I've heard people say 5,000 rounds and I'd say that sounds about right. I shoot almost all CCI primers and so I want the extra power to pop the large pistol primer.
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Kingsnake has done both my 1911's with these. They're great
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Mine run 15 recoil, 19 main. You can easily tell if you're sprung correctly. Fire a couple mags of your match ammo from one spot. Look for the center of the pattern of ejected cases. Step that off from your shooting position. If closer than 5 feet, you are sprung stronger than needed. (results in harder slide pull than needed, and can get to where you get a failure to eject) If pattern is more than 10 feet away, you are too lightly sprung (can batter the frame and slide). And the recoil and main springs usually "balance with each other" best with the recoil being about 3-4 pounds lighter than the main. The mainspring bore in the grip housing often needs honing to remove the roughness from factory machining. good luck, GJ
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15 recoil. 17 main.
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Recoil springs in 1911
Burt the Undertaker replied to buffalo chip jed's topic in The Wild Bunch Wire
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What weight spring to you all use, example 9 pound 11 pound? Thank you
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PLEASE HOLD ON TO YOUR WILD BUNCH REGISTRATION APPLICATION! It has come to the club’s attention that due to a problem with our post office box many of the 2025 Colorado State Wild Bunch match applications have not been received. Until we have had a chance to straighten out the problem, please hold onto your applications. We will send an individual email to everyone from whom we’ve received an application by Monday 3/24/2025. Please check our website for updates (www.sandcreekraiders.org) Or contact Doc Holidaily at 303-513-5116(docholidaily@gmail.com) We thank you for your patience and understanding, and look forward to seeing you at the range. Thank you and God bless! Doc Holidaily President Sand Creek Raiders
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Glad you're here!