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Hello all, So the conversation can move productively from speculation and doom and gloom to reality. WB is growing, maybe not at the major matches but that can be many factors outside of the rules of WB being changed. WB has grown from 20-25 clubs annually holding structured WB events to now over 90+ (probably over 100, but I haven't checked in a few weeks). 280% increase is a pretty good growth margin by any standard. Seeing 50% +/- switch to Classic only reinforces that the decisions to this point have worked out. At least 50%+/- percent did not switch to Classic, so they would not have participated if we were still under the old rules, and 50% are happy to have classic categories. This is a win win. My personal contact with dozens of CAS shooters who have reached out with questions to get started in WB has been outstanding and again, a proof of concept. With the current success of WB growth, I can say WB is here to stay as we keep moving forward. We are not going to pull shooters from other shooting sports, this was the approach of the old WB command and for 10 years it was attempted with the grand total of least then a very small handful of shooters known to come over from other sports. Money, time, current equipment would need exchanged, family time, jobs, are all factors with how people spend their hobby time. The approach of making WB friendly to the folks that shoot CAS to stick around and try WB with only an investment of a 1911 has worked to a measurable growth that exceeded our projections. The question of condition 1 start should be brought up NOW to you TG's so it can be brought up at the EOT TG meeting. If it has merit and traction for conversation then so begins the exploration for viability in the game. I hope everyone understands, SASS wants this to grow and it is! We want WB to keep perfecting how the sport evolves, this is why Misty Moonshine instated the TG program. "Let the voice of the people lead us from here." is one of Misty's often made statements. You want it, talk to your TG's. Also for the record, SASS as a whole is alive and well. There is a net gain every year in membership and the company is solid. I get soooo tired of seeing B.S. comments about how the sport is dying from people who absolutely have zero knowledge on the organization as a whole. All is well as SASS celebrates 40 years! Lord willing with another 40+ years to go!

I think it would be perfect if at all major matches that around half signed up for Classic categories. This would the balance we all hoped for, with everyone picking what fits for them. I'm very glad to hear that several have moved over to it. See many of you in about 2 weeks!

Yes, we are very happy with the numbers so far. We have a very good size group coming from Europe also! We are super excited to try 3 championships in 9 days!

I don't have one of those either. Although it's mostly because I'm too cheap to buy more holsters. And my holster box is full.

A covered up optics cut looks better than a light rail…

If I was asked, I'd say no, which is why I don't have any singles stacks with optics cuts.

That would take a submission to SASS for a modification, referred to the ROC for review/discussion and voted on by the TG's. Marshal Stone

This has been a multi-page discussion on the Cowboy wire. We don't need to keep beating the horse here. Marshal Stone

I hope neither game tries to write a rule against “shadow shooting”. How would one define it? I have not seen many instances of shooters holding up the group. Peer pressure seems to discourage it. It’s also difficult to define what constitutes “unsafe gun handling”. I think there’s one example in the CAS SHB. We have left this up to the clubs to sort out and I expect common sense has largely prevailed.

Tell me about it!

I posed the question in our WBAS RO area. I hope it is viewed favorably.

Thinking you could have 1 custom 1911 with the ability to use in WB along with other disciplines with a quick plate change on the rear. At ~$350, that's a deal! Totes

Boggus, why didn't you think of that? you would be rolling in the dough from the royalties.

Looks like an idea long overdue. Since it is not specifically allowed, let's get an official ruling and see if it can be legal.

Perhaps I'll post on the Cowboy wire too, but there was a big discussion abut shadow shooting as you may have seen Dry firing is not permitted already. I would propose that any Shadow Shooting with loaded firearms would be considered unsafe gun handling, and would be penalized. I would propose that Shadow shooting at the loading table with an unloaded firearm would not be allowed, as there is really not room for such activities. Inspection of the firearms, loaded or unloaded would be allowed, of course. I would further propose that shadow shooting prior to the start of a stage, after the firearms have been staged, other than a brief walk through by the shooter, would not be allowed, and repeated episodes might be considered Spirit of the Game, since it delays all of the shooters behind, and even the upcoming posses especially in a big match, where time is critical. What duo you think of these ideas?

For this topic, let's assume a currently legal 1911 pistol was modified with this rear slide cut and a plate was installed with a known legal rear sight. Would the modified pistol still be WB legal (modern or traditional)?

Seen, handled, shot.

He’s not talking about the front sight or the ports. He’s talking about the rear sight. The rear sight dovetails to a plate and by changing just the plate, you can mount several different sighting options. With the Novak style rear sight, it would not add any weight to the gun. If anything it might take a little away.

Boggus, have you seen one?

I see that it is dovetailed into a piece of metal, but what is the "line" lot the rear of the front sight?

It wouldn’t add weight. 😏

It may depend on how much weight it adds to the overall 1911. Looks like it might be acceptable for Modern.

Are you looking at the same picture? Obviously, the front sight dovetails into the slide. And neither the barrel nor slide is ported.

Only talking about the rear slide cut itself, not the pistol pictured. Nighthawk will cut any 1911 slide to accept the plate, then you can swap between rear sight options (red dot, etc) and not lose zero. So, for WB, assuming the rear that is installed on the plate is legal, would that modification to a 1911 slide be legal? Totes

are you getting a good response? Should be a fun shoot.