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No No NO. If they want to shoot under 150, for rifle, shoot wild bunch aka mild bunch aka wild bunch lite. But the range/club should understand 150pf for pistol stays. period.dot. It's not the Rifle PF that kept shooters away from WB, it's the cost of the equipment. Just about everyone has, or had, access to a single stack 1911. It was the shotgun and large caliber rifle that scared, potential, shooters away. Not the rifle PF. Now that there is WB for those who don't have, or want to get, the shotgun and rifle, and Classic for those who do. Again, Rifle PF has nothing to do with it.

It has been several times, Joe. And the problem is, when you post incorrect information, then edit it, who knows what is right or wrong? I would suggest, you proofread your posts before you post or only post what you have actual knowledge and experience of.

Once. I've even forgotten. Can you?

So….. you’re admitting to being wrong and having to edit your errors.….

What you thought you had to be bent about was about 4 years ago, and has nothing to do with this thread.

Yours were edited because you were wrong, called out on it and then you edited them. You do remember I have screen shots of your original posts….

J Frank, It would have been interesting to have used some Federal primers in your testing. I too use small primer brass on occasion.....

Perhaps I was unclear with my premise. In essence, the idea is to LOWER the current "Classic" rifle power factor from 150 to about 75-80, which is what I suspect the current .38's are. The 1911 power factor would stay at 150 (minimum).

I'll bet that the Snowball would melt quickly.

I cleaned & lubed, and polished the feed ramp of my Taurus PT1911 and loaded up another 24 rounds with an added 1/4 turn of crimp and I had zero problems! 3.7 grns of TiteGroup under my Home cast/PC’d MP mould 227gr RNFP NLG .452 sized bullets with WRE LP primers. 740fps, 168PF, STD Dev 11.4 MAXXTECH 230grn FMJ 769fps, 176PF, std dev 25.0 I’ll take the Ruger SR1911 out next time now that the FEDEX guy showed up…. (Note I ordered 2! 🤪)

The Action of SxS is cycled when it is opened it’s a BREAK action firearm No Call!

Do any of you do anything but cycle the SG open on last round or do you cycle it open then closed then open again. It’s a no call.

I have had more problems trying to seat primers in SP cases than LP cases by far. I loaded up a 30 cal ammo can full of SP cases and had more trouble seating SP...now when I come across a SP case...it goes in the junk brass bin. I came to the conclusion that if I did load more SP cases...I would run it all through a swager first

And I actually prefer Small Primers in my .45 acp...don't have to re-set my Dillon 550 after a 9mm or .38 spl. run Bugler

Not arguing with you. I am just stating what I have observed in the past and cautioning about driving clubs and people away. I am glad that Misty saw the wisdom in making changes to bring in more shooters. I have spent time talking with shooters and encouraging them to come back and give WB another try. The old regime did their best to alienate shooters that had been shooting WB for years before they took over and changed the rules to suit them and their needs. Please try to understand that it is the disaffected CAS shooters that will grow the ranks of WB shooters. I believe in what Misty and CC are doing so strongly that I became certified to teach WB. I want this game to thrive, but harping on how the new game is not good is not the way to help anyone.

Thank you!

Looked up the applicable rule in the handbook. Page 13 under 1911 Pistol Modern Category Modifications good luck, GJ

All it takes is one SASS Sanctioned Match to start it and watch it snowball.

Power factor for pistol is, and always was, 150. Power factor for Wild Bunch Rifle is 60 Power factor for Classic Wild Bunch Rifle is 150 The PF for Pistols was never changed. If a club decides to no longer offer WB because of the 150 PF for Classic Rifle, they need to acknowledge the PF for ALL Pistols, forever, has been 150. Nothing new here. Figure some other reason to not allow WB.

All I was saying is to be careful about pushing high power factors. We are getting shooters and clubs to rethink opposition to WB, it is important to listen to these concerns. The hand wringing and desire to go to high power factors are a detriment to acceptance and growth.

SASS NY State Wild Bunch Championship "Muster at Fort Misery" June 20-21, 2026 Ballston Spa NY

OMG, I doubt that the PF for all rifles would ever return to 150. It is too unpopular. Tracker Jack, the 150 is POWER FACTOR. The 750-800 was meant to be FEET PER SECOMD. I did misuse the term, so I'll correct imy premise statement Old metal targets may be a problem with a high power factor. With our AR 500, we have found no damage, but not all clubs have such targets.

I would like to make a comment for consideration. I know several clubs that either did away with WB or WB supply their own targets because of the damage being done by WB shooters to their CAS targets. Clubs have started to allow WB again, the increase in PF may cause these clubs to reconsider WB going forward. Also, when I went to school 750 and 800 were more than 150. Jorge you may want to check your math.

That is not a rib, it's a sight base. That older style of adjustable sight needs a long slot to mount the front part of the sight. Besides, factory (OEM) full ribs have been allowed if they are part of the manufacturing process, not an add-on. Like on some Gold Cups. good luck, GJ

Mine get edited when I spot a typo after posting it, or I want to comment on another point, like I did about the question of how the OP's ammo looked. None were edited after another poster added their reply. GJ