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We also had someone available during the main match to test ammo as necessary.

So I’ve been back to the range and put 250 rounds of MaxxTech and NewRepublic 230grn FMJ downrange with no issues. Out of 50 rounds of my reloads, I had 4 that wouldn’t feed so still need to work on my reloading process. I did discover that the Chamber checker I was using was purposefully oversized to .483 instead of .480” which explains partially why the MaxxTech reloads wouldn’t feed. i returned the checker I bought from Bear Metal Design (EBay) and bought an Armanov checker which matches the dimensions of my Lyman single round checker @ .480”

Great match last year, we’ll be there again this year!

We’ll be there!

You, again, are wrong. The members suggest things to their TG's. The TG's discuss these suggestions and, if warranted, have clubs vote via the TG's. Then, if it's not a potential liability to SASS where HQ has to step in, the results of the vote are adopted. His suggestion, may or not be determined to be valid enough to warrant a club vote. Again, if you don't like SASS go somewhere else.

Well, yeah, according to SASS, he does make the rules. He’s a paid member and his vote to his TG should determine the rules. That being said, it really doesn’t matter what shooters want. SASS will do whatever they please.

Last I checked you don't make the rules, and I have serious doubts about that ever happening. Whine all you want about the rules, it exposes your ignorance. The reason that 4 & 6 shot is listed is to indicate the LARGEST size shot allowed by the rules.

I don't even think we should be allowing large birdshot. There's no reason and it's more danger because it retains more energy. I don't see how or why that turns into some sort of argument; you're simply reading something that isn't there.

Once again, and for the last time I hope, the 4 and 6 denote the LARGEST size allowed. Yes, most folk use 7.5 shot, more pellets on target. SASS said, when they made this rule, they wanted to reduce bounce/splatter. Simple as that. Find another rule to argue about

I wanted to know if I was crazy so I asked ChatGPT. Excluding buckshot and non-toxic shot, somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of all shotshells sold are 7 1/2 or smaller. I think 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 shells is pretty uncommon. 4 and 6 are not common or widely used outside of hunting. They're entirely banned from clay target fields. That they can be purchased at Wal-Mart doesn't tell me anything. I can buy and load #4 shot at Sportsman's any day of the week. It's never sold out because nobody wants it. If you don't consider that uncommon, choose your own word to describe it. There is not a widespread use for large, lead birdshot other than hunting of upland game large enough to require it, which I do not do, because I am a shooter, not a hunter.

Rabbit and squirrel hunting. 4 and 6 widely used even today.

You live in a strange and sheltered world if you think 4 and 6 shot shells are uncommon!!! I can buy them everywhere, even my local Walmart. They are the largest size shot allowed by SASS, pure and simple explanation. Your interpretation, or understanding means nothing to this rule.

I was responding to the question asked. The maximum size shot allowed on a trap or skeet range is 7 1/2, so I do not keep or load anything bigger than that. Bigger shot, whether it's #6 or #4, is utterly unnecessary and the only reason I can think of that the rules even allow shot that large is that in the 1980s, people used those sizes for duck hunting and so they probably were nowhere near as uncommon as they are today.

And still not removed!!! Ahhhh

Those are maximum shot size numbers.

I wouldn't be using either one. Clay ranges are limited to 7 1/2 so I don't keep any shot bigger than that and I usually just use #8.

Why use either #4 or #6?

If it was up to me, we'd run a hot range all the time and that wouldn't make me uncomfortable at all. Rules are rules, and if there was a violation of the rules, a penalty should apply. But pretending like we are doing anything to increase safety by dinging the guy for what we saw here isn't adding anything.

OK, using that logic, why use any time at all to make sure it is CLEAR, at the end of the stage?

What's the safety issue? If it left his hand loaded it's a SDQ anyway. Are we really that worried about an empty gun?

Yes

It's the RO's job to call any penalties, like a SDQ. It's the spotters' job to call hits and misses. They can point out a POSSIBLE penalty, but RO has to call it. Unless it's a situation where an immediate Cease Fire needs to be called, like a person down range.

That is my point, should safety issues be considered of higher importance than "if you think it is a miss then it is a hit"

It looks it didn't break 180 but awful damn close, maybe 175! It was blocked and recovered too quick to be positive and doubtful spotters would have seen it. RO would have to make the call and it appears that benefit of doubt went to the shooter.

Hijack--- There maybe a discussion here. Hit-Miss? Benefit-of-the-doubt does and should go to the shooter. What about safety issues? IMHO, what the shooter did was NOT safe. I was unable to hear if the TO made a call regarding the pistol. It appears the shooter grabbed the pistol preventing further discussion. Making a joke of the issue. Which is a problem. Potentially Spirit of the Game. Assuming the 170 was determined to be a "no call", SDQ for unsafe gun handling.