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It’s Boggus, with two gs!! 🤪🤪🤪

In USPSA, your gun will be weighed, it has to fit in a box, and the thumb safety has to work. After that, 3 rounds are fired over TWO chronographs, the velocities multiplied by your bullet weight from the round they pull a bullet from, and the power factor is calculated by taking the average and truncating any decimal. If you don't make power factor, they fire three more rounds and average again. If you still don't make power factor, the last of the 8 rounds collected from you, you're given an option. They can pull the bullet and re-calculate the power factor based on that bullet's weight or they can fire it and re-average your numbers and see if you make it. If you don't make major, you're scored minor. If you go sub minor, you shoot for no score. If your gun is overweight or doesn't fit in the official dimensioned box, you get bumped to the Open division, or if it's not offered at that match, you shoot for no score. If your thumb safety doesn't work, that gun is out of the match unless you can fix it. If you have another one and the rangemaster says okay, you shoot that gun. Both the old and new gun have to be chroned if it's safe to fire, but you won't be allowed to holster the gun with the broken thumb safety again. If you refuse or miss chrono somehow, you shoot for no score. And perhaps most importantly of all, if the chrono breaks, fails calibration, or is otherwise unavailable, everyone who was chronoed when the equipment was working gets the results they got, and everyone else gets their declared power factor regardless of the fact that they can't chrono. I've never seen or heard of that happening. The last major match I was at, a guy came all the way from Canada to shoot for no score because his safeties were about .010" too wide to fit in the box. I also shot one years ago where one guy loaded for the whole squad (posse) and all of them went minor, and it wasn't even close, 150-155 when the pf for major is 165. And as Bogus said, chrono is a stage. Everyone has to chrono when it's their time at that stage. Usually it goes quickly so it's nice if it's at lunch time, you'll get a longer break before the squad ahead of you gets done shooting. They also don't have to let you use the 8 rounds you gave them, they can ask for a mag off your belt anytime they want. This is recommended at all state level competitions and required at all regional and national level matches. This procedure isn't perfect but I've never seen someone get screwed by it. Although I barely made it at my last match--I won't go that close again. I'm not one to fly too close to the sun.

Or just rules for the sake of rules. If I won a match because someone's grip safety didn't work, I'd give the real winner the buckle. I still have guilt over a match win I had last year that was caused by a stage DQ for moving with a loaded gun, because even with the miss, the guy probably would have beaten me by something like 20 seconds if it wasn't for that rule.

You ever wonder why you were never asked to “help write the rules”? You ever notice that you have to edit 95% of your posts because they’re wrong to begin with?

Tall John, You will notice that some posts are all edited because they are originally wrong and googled based, not experience and success based.

Had to do with the rib on the slide part of the rules. Bugler

What I see looking up that model, is that the rear sight is either a Millett or Bo-Mar-style rear target sight, adjustable. It is almost certainly a legal rear sight for a "Modern" category 1911. Not even close for Traditional category for a lot of reasons after taking 5 minutes worth of look at a video about them. What did this little birdie tell you made the gun illegal for Modern? There might be other reasons for failing Modern checks, but a sight base and adjustable sight would not be one. Gun was made as a hardball gun, as I understand, so you should not be surprised if you need to tune the barrel and feed ramp some to feed lead bullet loads. good luck, GJ

A new 1911 has traditionally needed about 200 factory power FMJ rounds through it to break it in. Loosen up the action, wear in the extractor, etc. The Taurus? Would not HURT to run some through it, too. Fire 50 or so, clean the gun. Repeat. Look for any failures of any sort. If a 1911 is hiccuping on factory FMJ, it for sure has problems that can get in the way of running lighter power lead bullet ammo. Report back how the break ins go. There COULD be a function problem with both guns, but very unlikely. Unlikely either will malfunction with FMJ, but the object is to loosen the gun up so testing with lighter lead bullet ammo tells no lies. So, loosen the guns up before you seriously start looking for why the reloaded ammo does not run the guns well. The ammo you have loaded at this point looks reasonable. Nose is a little flat-ish compared to FMJ ammo. That should not cause a failure to feed the last 1/8" into chamber though. Powder coating CAN cause some chambering problems. Have the bullets been run through a sizer die AFTER being powder coated? I have seen some coatings so thick or so non-slick that they cause a failure to feed, but mostly by sticking the nose to the feed ramp and depositing powder coat color there. good luck, GJ

could the fact that the bullets were sized to .4520-.4525” vs .4510-.4515” be the issue? I did not notice any grooves on the failed rounds but will look when it happens again. I’ll have to pay closer attention to the slide position but there was nothing noticeably different between shots. I’ll try giving it a tap.the guns are new to me. The Sr1911 is brand new and came straight from Ruger to my FFL in March with less than 100 rounds thru it. Not sure the age of the Taurus but it’s slide is way easier to rack than the Ruger. the guns are new to me. The Sr1911 is brand new and came straight from Ruger to my FFL in March with less than 100 rounds thru it. Not sure the age of the Taurus but it’s slide is way easier to rack than the Ruger. these rounds’ OAL are 1.185-1.190”, well below max. 100% chamber/case checked in a 100 round case checker. 100% plunk tested using the bbl from the SR1911 Yes it is range brass that was wet tumbled with pins & chips, separated by head stamp AND run thru a Lee bulge buster die on a Lee APP. These were USA head stamped. attached is a random round pulled from my reloads with a bullet for comparison. I think I’ve got it seated properly but wondering if more crimp might help. thanks for all your help? Just trying to apply your coaching with every batch.

I own a Dan Wesson Pointman Major 1911 that has and adjustable rear sight with a section going forward from the base to about half way to the port opening......was told this is illegal, What do you Wild Bunch gurus say? It does NOT go on the slide forward of the ejection port..... Bugler

Layered safety, I would guess. Just like in aviation, where a mistake in operation or mechanical failure can be fatal. But, I did not help write the rules. I just shoot by them. good luck, GJ

Gun is not in battery (ready to drop hammer on firing pin) until the rear surface of slide and rear surface of frame just below the joint between them are perfectly flush. This is not a jam, or a failure to feed. It's a failure to go into battery. If you push the slide forward with a strong tap of heel of your off-hand, does this resolve the failure-to-fully-chamber problem and let it fire? If it does, do you keep the disconnector tip lubed with a drop of oil every time you take gun apart for cleaning? Are you using range pickup brass to reload? If so, you really need a chamber check gauge to see if your brass has a base bulge common with loads that are hot enough to swell the case just in front of the extractor groove. Barrel plunking probably will not find these bulged brass situations. Spend $20 or so and get a good loaded round checker gauge! The most common problem new .45 auto loaders have is they run into brass with bulges at the base, which the sizer die in .45 auto will not remove! That is where the Lee bulge-buster kit comes in really handy. This consists of a push-thru die and a push rod which install on a spare single-stage press. Even a loaded round can be pushed through this die safely. But the best way to use it is "bulge bust" all fired brass that you know you did not shoot from your own guns, before you reload it. If you sometimes shoot almost +P level reload ammo, you may want to bust all your own fired brass, too. The bulge if not removed, sometimes means the round will not fully chamber, thus will not fire. Second cause of failure "just short of fully chambered" is a bullet seated long enough to jam the ogive of the nose into the very short throat of the 1911. If you find the rounds that do not chamber and inspect the exposed bullet nose for rifling marks, it should tell you if that round was over-length for your gun. No part of the cylindrical SHANK of the bullet should be in front of the case mouth. Only the rounded ogive of the nose can hang out in front of the mouth. good luck, GJ

Ok! Thanks.

Don’t drop the loaded round into the chamber and drop the slide. You will certainly at some point break the extractor. It’s designed for the cartridge rim to ride up the breach face under the extractor hook.

Dropping the bullet into the chamber not on top of the mag. Maybe “Jam” may not be the right word. And it happened 4 times out of 75 rounds. The round feeds, appears to chamber as the slide/bolt appears to fully closes so I don’t see a malfunction but the gun will not fire. Requires manual ejection. Occurs mid way thru 7 round mag. Not beginning or end. the Chip McCormick mags are standard 1911 mags recommended by a WB competitor but I do u derstand that the Wilson mags are much better. Note that this has happened with both firearms so it seems that it is an ammo problem. I’ll get pics on my next outing.

Show us a picture of the jam next time you have it happen. That will tell us which of several types of feed jams you are having. Jam with nose on ramp, jam from nose diving of the round, three-point jam, etc, etc. Get a couple of pictures for best info - one showing the nose of bullet and front half of case, and another of the rim of the case and whether it has slipped under the hook of the extractor. Happens under what condition? First round out of a full mag, or the last one out? Both of these situations may point to a magazine problem, but different causes. Randomly? Could be the extractor is not tuned to pick up the round real well. In fact, that would be my first guess, especially with a lower price range gun. The extractor is not just for ejecting a case - it controls a "controlled feed" of the round into the chamber. What the #*@) does "dropping a round into the mag" mean? You mean just loading a single round into the mag? I hope so, because if you are placing a loose round on top of the mag follower (not into the mag itself) or into the chamber loosely and dropping the slide, you are putting a LOT of stress on the extractor making it snap over the rim. As for mags, I would not trust an "unverified maker's" OEM mag from Taurus. I would trust a Wilson or Tripp or Checkmate. Not so much the McCormick without replacing the spring and follower. But show us how your failure to feed occurs before you run out and buy anything! Your "ejection of cases" test shows your springs are about right. good luck, GJ

So I took my PC’d & home cast 225-230 grain. .452 sized 45acp 118.5-119.0 OAL TightGroup reloads to the range and got the following results out of my stock Taurus PT1911. Note each load test had 14 rounds fired. Load PF FPS Std Dev 3.5-3.6. 157. 692 20.3 3.8. 168. 740 17.3 3.9. 171. 752 17.2 4.0. 174. 768 12.3 4.1 177. 780. 13.8 4.2. 184. 813. 19.1 I know min PF for WB is 150 and most like to load to 160 just to be sure but my std dev was the lowest on my 4.0grn loads which were still snappy. I did not separate by projo’s by precise weight thus the wide SD(?) but I’m gonna try another batch at 3.7grns one issue I experienced was that while 100% of my rounds passed a case check AND a bbl plunk test, I still had 4-5 that wouldn’t feed from the mag but afterward they chambered fine when manually dropped into the mag and fired one-at-a time. BTW all fired/ejected cases flew 10-15’ away regardless of my powder load. so what might be the cause of my jamming issue. Mags are all OEM or new Chip McCormick std 7rnd mags. not enough crimp? Not perfect powder coated finish? Residual case lube?

Great idea. Get a bay, that's not being used, turn it into check bay. Shooters come off the previous bay, check in at test bay, weigh, check safeties, do PF test, move on. I like it. Now, to get the Powers That Be, involved. Thanks for the ideas.

All USPSA matches are tested and there are several hundred shooters. For example, testing is on stage 4. As shooters finish stage 3, they go test. It’s recorded. They go to stage 5. Match officials check PF for major and minor levels and if a shooter doesn’t meet, they face consequences. Shooter gets to the test area, official asks for a magazine off the body and tests. May be first mag maybe third mag. I prefer knockdowns that require a certain level of PF. Yes, it’s hard to keep them calibrated. Yes, it’s a lot of work for a match staff.

How many competitors and, knowing how WB at WR/EOT/Landrun is held, any way to do that at these matches? And, I guess you'd have to hope the ammo brought for testing is the same used during the match. Remember there's a reason for the smoke factor. I'd like to see PF testing and, at the same time and bay, weight and safety checks. Especially the safety checks. Match Directors are setting themselves up for liability by not ensuring the safeties are functioning properly. i.e. Your Honor, why did they assume the safeties were functional.

One bay. 2 volunteers. In between 2 stages somewhere in the match.

How many bays? How many volunteers? When do they test? Want to volunteer to help, or just bitch

No, it’s not impractical. Other shooting sports tests everyone’s ammo. Not hard to do at all.

There was a bay where the equipment was set up for anyone to test their loads. That was the day before WB started. Some folks took advantage of the opportunity, some didn't. It's impractical to check 150+ shooters ammo, at five rounds each, and still complete the match. There is no more MDQ for scoring purposes so, once challenged and found lacking, it's a SDQ for any stage, after that, the ammo is used, and a MDQ for the second stage used.

I wonder why we care if the safeties work if we're not allowed to move with loaded guns or have loaded guns in our holsters. Would you really want to win a Wild Bunch match because your fellow competitor's grip safety didn't work when tested?