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The club in question doesn’t have a large enough turnout for two posses. Plus I expect they want all attendees to get a sense of the game, not just those that are shooting the WB firearms. I would also recommend that they add one or two shotgun targets to the CAS four. I’d probably add static clays-less confusion for the cowboy shooters.

No, No, No. Then those shooters will attend a real WB match, load mags with 7 shoot 5 and SDQ for moving with a round under the hammer. Best way to combine CAS and WB is separate posses. Use the CAS target placement but move the shooting positions back to WB distances and have WB scenarios. Use 7 round mags. Dusty Bunch, in Casa Grande, do this all the time. Works great.

A club in my are is hoping to start Wild Bunch matches on a different weekend than their cowboy match. I salute their willingness to take this on. As a first step they plan to let shooters choose to shoot their monthly CAS match using Wild Bunch firearms, loading five rounds into the 1911 magazines. As much as I enjoy Wild Bunch I have avoided “five round” matches. I’m sure It would “train” me into a SDQ. I don’t usually have any trouble shooting my revolvers with five, or my 1911 with seven because the guns are dissimilar. What say the group? One alternative might be to set up one or two extra (Wild Bunch only) pistol targets on the stage, maybe a different shape or color than the rest, and have the Wild Bunch shooters engage them with two of the seven rounds. Yes, it throws the scores off, but so does a pump shotgun with the magazine loaded.

Just tested some Bullseye loads under a 200 grain lead slug. 4.8 grains made a plenty strong load - about 170 PF out of my gun. Made accurate ammo, matched WST for tight groups. Just as dirty as it was in my pistol loads in the 1970s. Kind of a sharp recoil impulse compared to good ol WST. good luck, GJ

Stages are now posted.

Anyone want to make a reasonable offer on this rifle?

I don’t see the stages on the website yet. https://sites.google.com/site/beltonbushwhackers/

Modern says dots are legal...not sure since the tritium sights are actually an insert. Definitely NOT legal for traditional

does tritium sights count as "optical" since you can only see them glow in near total darkness?

Uberti 1873 Winchester in 45 colt. 20 inch octagon barrel, very nice condition with just a couple minor dings. No cracks in stock or rust anywhere. The previous owner had a "brand" made of his alias and laser engraved it into the stock. Easily covered with a butt cover. Gun is stock with the exception of wire lifter and lever springs. No short stroke. Located in NW Missouri, I shoot with the Powder Creek Cowboys in Lenexa, KS. Asking $1200 plus shipping. No shipping if face to face.

One thing I've never been interested doing. WB with BP as a propellant. But, I'm glad you had fun!

Yes Because of the heat no one wanted to reset targets for the main match the following day so we shot the stages with 5 rounds per mag with a total of 4 mags per stage.

Cross draw and shoulder holsters are not allowed for competition, per the HANDBOOK.

what was with the 5 shot mags?

FUN. 😁😁😁 Shooting Black Power in the 2026 Black Gold Wild Bunch side match. No cleaning or other maintenance for all 4 stages. 1 1/8 of shot over 65 grains of ffg. 44 WCF loaded with a heavily compressed load of fffg under a 200 grain bullet. 45 ACP filled with Triple 7 to the base of a 200 grain powder coated bullet. 1911 was still going strong after 80 rounds. Chamber of my 87 started sticking after 20 or 21 rounds. First time that has happened.

Because of the way this holster hangs I would consider it a cross-draw holster. Even though it is not on the belt the firearm is drawn across the body. Therefore, I believe it to be illegal. Marshal Stone

The rules state no shoulder or cross draw holsters. What about tanker style chest rigs like Pike wears in the final scene?

So a limit was there before and after that. A 170 grain bullet has never been legal in WBAS since I have been a SASS member.

Just keep in mind the 170 gr. bullets are NOT legal for WB. If you are using them for other purposes go for it. Marshal Stone

Actually only the last few. As of ver 16.3 it was still 180 grains. (Jan., 2022) I don't have a WBSHB for 2023, but ver. 17.3 from Feb, 2024 shows 177 grain minimum.

It's been there the whole time with the min bullet weight over many iterations of the rule changes. Back to the original question, the military used Bullseye to load .45 Auto in WWII. The load for a 230 grain bullet was 5 grains, which is probably a bit hot by today's standards. I would start there and work up with a 170 grain bullet. According to quickload, 5 grains will push a 200 grain LSWC to 165 pf, 5.2-5.3 will probably get you there with your lighter bullet. No sense in overthinking this, even with a 200, 6 grains is within pressure limits and 192 pf, you have plenty of headroom to work up if needed. FWIW I have not personally loaded Alliant Bullseye in anything, mostly because I started with Clays and I've yet to find anything better for 45 Auto. It was unobtainium for a few years so I tried some other stuff, and if Bullseye was available, I might have tried that, but I had other stuff that worked. There is nothing wrong with bullseye, I just wanted to share that I have not personally used it, I am sharing information based on inference from that the military used it and playing with Quickload a bit. As with all load data you find on the internet, you should cross reference it against a published source. If you can't find data for a 170 grain bullet, use 185 grain or 200 grain lead bullet data and work your way up.

OK, that's in version 17.7. I had version 17.6, but I've now updated! I see though that 17.7 says it highlights all changes in yellow, but the change from the 17.6 nonsense did not get highlighted in version 17.7. So, the point still being made to the OP is that he is asking about a bullet weight that is illegal under the WB rules. good luck, GJ

WRONG. Page 32 of the current rule book under 1911 Pistol and Rifle Ammunition clearly states, 1911 pistol ammunition must have a minimum bullet weight of 177 gr. Marshal Stone

I will assure you that none of replies I have written have EVER been created by AI. I do not trust the junk that most AI produces. I do not even look for AI material to try to better my knowledge. When I said that several points had been brought up on "other forums" and might be considered for possibly solving the poster's problem, those came from real well known LIVE members of the 1911 Forum. Can you please stop with the attempts at character assassination and insults? And also believing that you can comment on how "everyone else" feels. Get on the topic, please. Thanks, GJ

Oh no! What did Boggus do?