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WHY??? Are they also going to eliminate Doughboy?

The concern for the powerfactor is more about the timers. Wild Bunch stage writing has a leg up in that previously we could shoot stages ending on the rifle. In wide open stages/ranges it has been found to be inconsistent timer pick up of rifle shots, especially as we see .38 rifles with a lower report than .22s. A consistent PF also makes use of KD targets easier for a MD to calibrate. I would say that moving rifle targets back makes low PF self correcting, but we are in a thread about Cowboy with 1911.

They are eliminating Teddy Roosevelt from main match categories.

Should work for you. Looks great!

Well picked up a William's receiver sight for the Savage. Holes match up in the receiver, so tomorrow I'm going to mount it on the rifle, even though it's still on layaway! Pics once mounted.

Very handsome!

Prolly sold after 2 years! 😉

It will hold 6 shells. May have a plug in it but take it out and it will hold 6.

I may be interested. Does it hold 6 shells? Have you shot it?

Man I really like this rig!!!

Great policy for you. Won't help grow the game, though, if you have any concern there. Won't help keep older folks shooting as joint pain creeps into their lives. And gets SASS into a nanny role on reloading. good luck, GJ

Well I can tell you this: I absolutely insist on never loading anything lighter than published starting loads and I've been doing this for ~20 years. I definitely wouldn't tell someone else to do something I would never do myself.

And, that's the reason for the change. Gets more folks shooting.

I'm curious how many folks have actually lightened their pistol loads. My guess, is some but not most. Granted, some new WB shooters may be starting with a lighter load as I've seen some new folks have 1911 cycling issues. IMHO, Rifle is not the gun that determines matches. For me, I'd bet my .38 rifle and .45 rifle are only a few tenths different in a 10 shot string. I have yet to see a SxS at any WB matches I have shot since the change. Are Power Factor rule changes actually making any measurable difference in the game? I honestly don't know. The rule changes don't seem to prevent anyone from participating the exact same way they did before the change. Is it the position on the scoresheet that has folks upset? Shooting my .38 rifle sure didn't raise me up on any scoresheets, but it makes reloading for my wife and I easier and cheaper. Totes

I think there is so much loading data for Unique in the 45 auto that it was largely unnecessary to ask here where lots of non-sourced or even speculative info might be thrown around. It's very hard to get in trouble with Unique cast bullet loads in the 1911. Unique has been used since the cartridge's introduction - if there were lurking dangers in it, they would have been reported by now. At worst, shooter will stick a slug in the barrel. If we start insisting that new loaders in SASS stick to nothing lighter than published starting point loads in pistols (and rifles, too), it's going to be hard for them to make the soft-ish loads our rules allow (even encourage). And since Alliant rarely publishes starting point loads, it's even tougher. And over the last year or so, if you were to trust what Alliant publishes, you would not use ANY Alliant power except Sport Pistol with cast bullets in the .45 auto! They have removed Bullseye and Unique and any other fast Alliant powders from the on-line listing. good luck, GJ

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I think it's a really bad idea for a new shooter to be deviating from book loads. He needs a faster burning powder, especially for low pressure cartridges like these.

I don't really understand the obsession with the 150 power factor for rifles. It is not appreciably harder to shoot a 150 pf rifle than it is to shoot one with cowboy loads. If we're serious about power factor, it should be 170 or even 180 for the pistols and just leave the rifles alone. A 45 doesn't run well at 150 and everyone already knows there is no chrono and no chrono procedure as it is, so it would just invite rampant cheating. 150 pf for 9mm does not require 160 grain bullets either, there's factory 147 grain loads doing well beyond that already and I could easily boost my basic 147 lead loads that I'm shooting to achieve 1020 fps. They're already going ~950 as it is because even a 9mm doesn't run that great at 125 pf unless it has a pretty light slide. I would completely agree that IF we are going to do an open category, it should allow any caliber 1911. I would take it a step further and it should allow any wood stock pump shotgun as well. Another thing I'd really like to see, which sadly I doubt I will ever see, is being allowed to use modern magazines with plastic basepads. I am not sure what we are achieving by banning the magazines virtually everyone else is using in their 1911s, but I would really like to lose the leather basepads and just use my normal magazine, even if they won't let me use my magwell. Maybe they should make a "classic" or "heavy metal" division for the purists. I might even join them, I have nothing against what they're trying to achieve other than that I think they are focused on the wrong thing. If we want to make Wild Bunch competitive with other shooting disciplines, the most meaningful changes that need to happen are that we need to have loaded starts, loaded movement, and stop banning common modern equipment like magazines. Those changes alone would make WBAS into a dynamic shooting sport that would completely sever it from those who want it to be cowboy with a 1911. Both loaded starts and loaded movement were permitted at Bordertown this year and it was an absolute blast. They called it "Historic 3 gun" rules. I call it "every other handgun sport on earth." But either way, those are the big changes that need to happen for this to become a dynamic shooting sport: loaded starts and loaded movement. Loading your gun is not a sport. Timing people loading their gun is not a competition; it's dangerous.

A pound wouldn't be worth my time, but I'm sure someone will want it. If there was someone out there who had a crate of 8 pound jugs it'd be a different story. The small containers were 10 ounces as well, so if that's what you have, that's closer to a half pound than a pound, really not worth the time. The next time Ramshot Competition is available, I'm probably going to buy 32 pounds of it or more. I could almost certainly load all my wild bunch ammo with it and there's probably not anything better.

Is SASS Wild Bunch Action Shooting really Cowboy Action Shooting with a 1911? My introduction to the 1911 was with my local SASS clubs, High Plains Drifters and ROOP. I was new to SASS and was really enjoying the change from IDPA. My local clubs arranged to have Sutter Lawman teach a local Wild Bunch RO class. This was 10+ years ago. I recall him stating several times that WB is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. Towards the end of the course, he mentioned that he was working with the WB Committee for a rule change. Currently the WB magazines were limited to holding only FIVE rounds. Evidently when WB started it was a side match using the stages from Cowboy, therefore five rounds to match Cowboy stage descriptions. Hmmm, sounds like Cowboy with a 1911 to me? Soon after the WB Committee did change the round count from five to the current seven. Ah, I am thinking, breaking away from Cowboy **. Ok, enough of the history lesson. Two years ago, SASS was very concerned about the profitability of Wild Bunch. There were many opinions, as far as I am concerned it does not matter. There was/is a goal to increase participation, GREAT!!!! My thoughts. Retain the WB Category structure of several years ago and create a new category, “Open”. In Open category any caliber 1911 is allowed. Any Cowboy rifle and shotgun are allowed (including Model 12). Power factor of 150 for both pistols and rifle. What??? Yes, 150. 38’s (.357) are available at 158+ grains and higher which keeps speed below 1000 fps, also 9 mm at 160 grains (Bear Creek & Bayou). This keeps with the concept that Wild Bunch is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. For those shooters that want to shoot their 105 grain 38 SPL, I say this is "Wild Bunch, NOT Cowboy with a 1911" **. What another category??? Noooooo you say!! OK then using the above suggestion for power factor allow 9mm and any legal cowboy long gun in the Modern Category. Return Traditional to the way it was several years ago, 40 caliber and higher, pump shotgun. Still not convinced, very sad I say **. At least LEAVE Traditional alone as it is NOT Cowboy with a 1911. You want Cowboy with a 1911 then mess with Modern. My suggestions do not EXCLUDE anyone and retains some history of SASS Wild Bunch Action Shooting. ** BTW from slide #4 of the WBAS course: However, there are distinct differences between the 2 disciplines, and it is important to remember that WBAS was not developed to be, nor is it to be presented as “CAS with a 1911”.

I'm right handed, I thought the belt was for a lefty but it's not. It's designed to be buckled in the back which up until I put my 2023 state championship buckle on it, I didn't like that. Now I can buckle it in the back with almost no trouble with the new buckle on it. I've spent some time drawing and doing mag changes and wow this is so much better than the rig I made from old duty gear I've been using for 5 years! I've cut 2-3 seconds off my mag change times! Man I love this set up!

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Mine is. Just about every male WB Shooter I know is in the back. Makes it easier to place you holster and mag pouches.

Ummm, still is a RH holster, unless your photo is reversed. Which it is not, as there is no thumb safety showing on right side of frame as it would look if photo got reversed. GJ