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One thing I've never been interested doing. WB with BP as a propellant. But, I'm glad you had fun!

Yes Because of the heat no one wanted to reset targets for the main match the following day so we shot the stages with 5 rounds per mag with a total of 4 mags per stage.

Cross draw and shoulder holsters are not allowed for competition, per the HANDBOOK.

what was with the 5 shot mags?

FUN. 😁😁😁 Shooting Black Power in the 2026 Black Gold Wild Bunch side match. No cleaning or other maintenance for all 4 stages. 1 1/8 of shot over 65 grains of ffg. 44 WCF loaded with a heavily compressed load of fffg under a 200 grain bullet. 45 ACP filled with Triple 7 to the base of a 200 grain powder coated bullet. 1911 was still going strong after 80 rounds. Chamber of my 87 started sticking after 20 or 21 rounds. First time that has happened.

Because of the way this holster hangs I would consider it a cross-draw holster. Even though it is not on the belt the firearm is drawn across the body. Therefore, I believe it to be illegal. Marshal Stone

The rules state no shoulder or cross draw holsters. What about tanker style chest rigs like Pike wears in the final scene?

So a limit was there before and after that. A 170 grain bullet has never been legal in WBAS since I have been a SASS member.

Just keep in mind the 170 gr. bullets are NOT legal for WB. If you are using them for other purposes go for it. Marshal Stone

Actually only the last few. As of ver 16.3 it was still 180 grains. (Jan., 2022) I don't have a WBSHB for 2023, but ver. 17.3 from Feb, 2024 shows 177 grain minimum.

It's been there the whole time with the min bullet weight over many iterations of the rule changes. Back to the original question, the military used Bullseye to load .45 Auto in WWII. The load for a 230 grain bullet was 5 grains, which is probably a bit hot by today's standards. I would start there and work up with a 170 grain bullet. According to quickload, 5 grains will push a 200 grain LSWC to 165 pf, 5.2-5.3 will probably get you there with your lighter bullet. No sense in overthinking this, even with a 200, 6 grains is within pressure limits and 192 pf, you have plenty of headroom to work up if needed. FWIW I have not personally loaded Alliant Bullseye in anything, mostly because I started with Clays and I've yet to find anything better for 45 Auto. It was unobtainium for a few years so I tried some other stuff, and if Bullseye was available, I might have tried that, but I had other stuff that worked. There is nothing wrong with bullseye, I just wanted to share that I have not personally used it, I am sharing information based on inference from that the military used it and playing with Quickload a bit. As with all load data you find on the internet, you should cross reference it against a published source. If you can't find data for a 170 grain bullet, use 185 grain or 200 grain lead bullet data and work your way up.

OK, that's in version 17.7. I had version 17.6, but I've now updated! I see though that 17.7 says it highlights all changes in yellow, but the change from the 17.6 nonsense did not get highlighted in version 17.7. So, the point still being made to the OP is that he is asking about a bullet weight that is illegal under the WB rules. good luck, GJ

WRONG. Page 32 of the current rule book under 1911 Pistol and Rifle Ammunition clearly states, 1911 pistol ammunition must have a minimum bullet weight of 177 gr. Marshal Stone

I will assure you that none of replies I have written have EVER been created by AI. I do not trust the junk that most AI produces. I do not even look for AI material to try to better my knowledge. When I said that several points had been brought up on "other forums" and might be considered for possibly solving the poster's problem, those came from real well known LIVE members of the 1911 Forum. Can you please stop with the attempts at character assassination and insults? And also believing that you can comment on how "everyone else" feels. Get on the topic, please. Thanks, GJ

Oh no! What did Boggus do?

I know when I see AI edited nonsense and so does everyone else. Boggus was banned for this forum or he probably would be saying the same thing I am, that AI edited nonsense with no bearing on the question presented here is not helpful.

Sounds like you are making a load for Wild Bunch in .45 Auto. Be VERY aware that the minimum bullet weight allowed for 1911 .45 auto ammo HAS been 180 grain, and now is cited (wrong) in the rules as "minimum bullet weight for the 1911 pistol is .45 ACP" Per the current PREVIOUS (2025) rulebook. 😄 Whether that 170 grain slug would be match legal is, as far as I can tell, up for questioning due to this typo. The current Lyman Cast Bullet Loading handbook (4th ed) shows 170 grain cast slug load data of 5.8 to 6.4 grains of Bullseye, making from 971 to 1048 FPS. An old Lyman handbook (48th edition) shows charges as low as 3.5 grains of Bullseye with a 185 grain bullet (probably used for bullseye target shooting). You just didn't look in the right current loading manual. Pick what power factor you are wanting to make (150 is the new minimum for the handgun), and you can figure out what powder weight you want to drop. My guess would be about 885 FPS (making that 150 powder factor) and that might be obtained with about 5.0 to 5.2 grains of Bullseye. Chrono your loads if these are to be used in important matches! good luck, GJ

I have 170 gr bullets but did not find load data for bullseye powder for that weight bullet. Any info would be appreciated. Yes, I did look in a current reloading manual. TIA Hochbauer

Now guys, try to get over your egos and stick to the issues. I don't know you, EL Chapo, but I have known G Joe for at least 20 years. He speaks from many years of 1911 knowledge. I don't always agree with his approach to things, but he really knows his stuff. I know my way around a 1911 pretty well also. I was one of the big time dealers in 1911's from 1970 until 2014. I have "fixed' hundreds of them with small issues to big ones. I have probably handled/fixed more 1911s than most active shooters put together will ever see. It wasn't unusual for me to deal with well over a thousand a year in busy times. I always had 500+ in inventory. So just remember that different people may disagree about small issues but don't let this wire get like the SASS wire. We kept it civil for years and I for one would like it to remain so. I feel that the current most knowledgable person in SASS/Wild Bunch about current issues is Boggus Deal. He builds 1911's from a block of steel and knows how to fix anything. I don't blame him for not getting into discussions like this, he is too busy building/fixing guns to bother. Happy Shooting.

What I'd really like for you to do is stop posting AI-edited nonsense instead of sharing your actual experience, you know, kinda like everyone else who posted in this thread, including me.

I am under no such illusion. Do you want to talk about magazine last-round-squirting problem or not? Or would you rather talk the exact proper wording to describe the end of slide rearward travel during 1911 cycling? Years of folks talking about how "heavy loads batter the 1911 frame" has led to the common shorthand that the slide impacts the frame. Which I know is not right, but that is the shorthand that folks use. good luck, GJ

The slide is supposed to impact the frame (guide rod actually) when the gun cycles. The recoil spring is not there to prevent this, it is there to store energy to push the slide forward. I'm not sure where you got the idea that the slide magically stops before its cycle with the right springs, but that is not the case.

"Other forums" discussions of "last-round-escaping-magazine-early" have also mentioned other possible solutions (besides the dimple on follower) - * heavy recoil loads (or loads not matched to recoil/mainspring combinations) may let the slide recoil hard into the frame and the impact of that drives the last round off the top of magazine early. So, make sure spring weights match well with the power factor of the ammo you are using. Like 14# recoil spring, 19# mainspring when shooting 155-165 PF ammo in 1911. Or factory level springs (16# and 23#) when shooting 185 PF loads. * rounded-top followers seem more resistant to last-round escaping * heavier magazine springs seem to resist last-round escape The gun getting real warm before seeing round-squirt problems may indicate that metal expansion (in slide perhaps) or the lubricant "loosened up" and resulted in faster slide movement as gun heated up, letting slide impact the frame. Hard to diagnose this with only a limited amount of info available, and only a few reports of this problem listed in technical articles and other forums. A test with highest quality mags may be worth the expenditure (Tripp or Check-Mate). As would inspection of the frame for impact marks. As would slipping an extra-strong magazine spring into one of the mags that is suspected of being problematic. As would sticking in a Tripp skirted follower with polymer follower surface and a dimple. good luck, GJ

The reason I'm asking is primarily to identify the feed lip design and dimensions, and if they're made by someone else, if they're similar to those. The brand on the bottom doesn't make them feed or determine when they release. FWIW I have a suspicion that Wilson Combat doesn't make their GI style mags either, but I have zero to back that up. It would be interesting to see a comparison though, because not too many people are buying GI style mags these days, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are much fewer manufacturers and designs than there are brands.

Recently, I think they contract out their mags to CheckMate. They used to make them in house. But I go by the brand stamped on the bottom (Colt) and don't get involved with their subcontracting operations.