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NOT! Read this excerpt from Ed. 1 of the Wild Bunch Shooter's Handbook: (listed under both Traditional & Modern requirements. In Sept of 2013 this was amended to read: Are ya pickin' up on a trend here? That wording remained in place until 2022. 13 years after the initial rules were established. Emphasis added... Frankly, be glad that you're now allowed a 1/4" of a "natural" material as a base pad.

I don't shoot WB any longer. Not because of any dispute with the rules, but because matches are not convenient to me. So I shoot Historic 3 Gun. But, shoot consistent with SASS rules, as nothing in H3G sez I can't. Although I do happen to like starting a stage in condition one. All of my magazines have welded flat baseplates, except one, a stainless Kim-Pro which has a flat removeable baseplate. But, then again, I learned to manipulate a 1911 during VN, using issue guns and GI magazines. Frankly, if you need to rely on a baseplate pad, whether it's leather, plastic, aluminum, steel, rubber or banana peels, you're relying on a crutch. Learn to seat a flat plate magazine. Tune your magazines to seat properly in your 1911 and your need for a extended pad goes away. Sloppy magazine control demands the use of a pad. By demanding pads, you're admitting to being a sloppy magazine handler. Much like the Frontiersman category in SASS cowboy matches... WB was never intended to be as "easy" as shooting a 1911 in other sports. Why should it be? What would be the draw for truly dedicated 1911 fans. If you enjoy shooting other gun games with a 1911 where the use of a basepad is allowed, mastering magazine control without one will not hurt your performance in those other games. Frankly, I don't recall any of you relatively new folks here when the fight was to end the "cowboy w/a 1911" era of 5 round maximums in magazines. Using what is legal in another shooting sport to justify your stance on what you think should be legal in SASS WB is disingenuous at best, at worst, whiney, cry-baby bull spit. Go ahead, take the high road, being disengenuos. Wild Bunch is based on a movie released in 1969, depicting events in 1913... Dig up a still of a 1911 with a base pad in that movie, then maybe your request has some merit... but be advised, it has the same chance as getting Broomhandle approved. But, maybe I overstep?

I don't know how Ruger shop "repaired" the ejector retaining pin without just putting a new one in. Straightening one or filing off burrs on one at the repair shop would be more expensive than a new pin that costs Ruger almost nothing. Just about the same story with the ejector itself. They must have replaced barrel due to a manufacturing defect. If they found damage from reloads, I expect you would have been charged. Their shooter-unfriendly "No Reloads" policy has been around for several decades, and routinely ignored. good luck, GJ

Now on second look at the packing slip that came back with my SR1911 and a call to Ruger’s CS, they actually replaced the barrel as well as repairing the ejector and ejector retaining pin. They could not tell me why the bbl was replaced so maybe it had nothing to do with my reloads?

Glad you got things to work, and I see you ended up with a fairly conventional powder and a proper crimp diameter. In the long run you might want another tenth of a grain of powder just to make sure in all weather you exceed power factor. Clean gun every match and practice session - it's the key to keeping a good load and a good gun running. The OAL that works for a bullet design is highly dependent upon the nose shape. For example, my 200 grain truncated cone nose loads feed perfectly at 1.180" OAL. Nothing beats testing - except practice and shooting matches. So, sounds like you are ready to do both!! good luck, GJ

Well, I got my SR1911 back from Ruger Today after stripping two of the grip panel screws because they were too tight from the factory. They also replaced the ejector and ejector pin, presumably bent from my early jamming issues. I took it to the range today and put all 58 of my most recent reloads through it without a hitch. What changed? 1) met a guy at our club shooting a Taurus PT1911 like mine and when we compared loads I noticed that he had way less crimp than mine. When I backed off the crimp, my next set of reloads shot thru my Taurus w/out a hitch. 2) I switched to a 200 grain LNRFP from Slippery bullets with a longer ogive. 3) today as I was case checking my rounds, in my 100 round checker. They all fit just fine but when I flipped the checker over I noticed that about 1/2 didn’t fall out. Same thing when I plunk tested then in the bbl. They dropped in but not out without shaking them out. Soooo…I reduced the amount of crimp a bit further to get the diameter to 0.470” and shortened the OAL to 1.210”. The rounds then gave me that metallic plunk noise when dropped in the bbl and fell right out when the bbl was turned over. The load that appears to be working? S&B brass W/ S&B LPP’s, 4.4 grains of WST powder under a Slippery 200gr LRNFP set at 1.210” OAL. Avg FPS 773 with a 159.9 power factor and a std dev of 34.0 now I’ll go load up several hundred and see if my luck holds! 🤪

Another great match!! A big thank you to all the Circle K folks who put in the hard work to make this event what it is.

I have 3 of the Kimber mags with removable standard base pads that I use in WB. kR

They are removable and after you remove them, the spring will spew right out of the bottom of the magazine. They are also not standard GI length or there'd be no way to attach the basepad. Those are the magazines I use for other sports and they are NOT SASS legal.

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Thanks Pard, Think these are the ones I've seen.

Possibly the mags you are referring to is the Kimber Kim Pro magazines. They come with standard flat base pads that are legal in WB. I've been using them for years. Easy peasy to take apart and clean There are optional thin and thick base pads that can be attached with provided screws. Marshal Stone

Thank you FR, that's a pretty good deal. I'll check into them. Sux to loose a mag from being stepped on. I've gotten a pretty full box of them now. CC

Just got the info Ed Brown Mags can be in any condition but has to have spring and follower. $10.00/mag plus shipping. Pard sent 28 bad mags, got 28 new and, with shipping to Arizona, about $300.00

Checking on info. There was a company, good mags, that would exchange beat up mags, as long as follower and spring were still there, and give back a new mag. It wasn't a 1 for 1 but still.... I'll let you know what I find.

Thanks all. And Dave that Tripp P/N has a welded on base pad. The Tripps welded base pads are pre drilled with two holes for installation of after market base pads. Like Dawsons, Ed Brown, Wilson. The Tripp poly/alloy base pads will not fit onto a Tripp welded mag. They are secured with a spring plate, which you can see in the second picture I posted above. I was really hoping that there may have been some "unicorn" Tripp mags. With removable base plates that were standard length. That would make the Tripp's the best. My biggest problem with the welded pad's, are I have several that have been stepped on and the body gets slightly deformed. No proper way to fix then. Now if I could get that pad off, easy repair. Thanks for checking. CC

You're right. I only knew what I read on their website. Thanks for pointing this out. I've seen mags, in wb. that had two screw holes in the baseplate. I'm not sure if these were for base pads, but it appeared so. Again, thanks for pointing this out.

I was wrong The ones I have with the removable base plates are Wilson Combat Low Profile magazines and I checked even though they are Low Profile they are too long so they wouldn't be WB legal. When I bought them many many moons ago the base plates were thin metal that fit inside the magazine and held in by the rolled sides of the magazine body. These mags do not have slots cut into the sides of the magazine so that style base plate will not work. I can't get to my Tripp mags at the moment so I can't verify the base plates but looking through my paperwork they are P/N 7R-45-WG which have welded base plates.

And if you knew anything about these mag's, you would know there is no welded on base pad under that poly/alloy pad. And if you happen to take the poly/alloy base pad off, the mag's are non operational. So again my question to you then, are you saying these are legal for WB? If not WTF is your point in even throwing these mag's out in the WB forum. Here's two pics of these mags. I asked Dave, who stated he had removable FLAT base pads. Your posted Mag is neither of these item's.

If you bothered to read the description, it states the poly/alloy pads are REMOVABLE. basepad (BP-P-.500 // BP-A-.500) Polymer or Alloy // Removable // .500" height

FR, that's not WB legal. So no point in that, or are you saying that it's WB legal? Dave said he bought flat base removable base pads. Your link is not for a flat base mag. And so Dave could you list the model number off the mag or show a picture of it? I've been buying Tripp mag's for over 20 year's (back in the Gen 1 day's) and have never seen a removable, flat base pad sold. I'm just curious. Thanks buddy. CC

I bought mine years ago and they have just a thin metal flat plate vice the raised alloy plate.

Tripp Research Inc links to Cobra Mag for Tripp Magazines. The 8R-45-RG and the 8R-45-RG-TAC have removable, poly, base pads and offer, removable, alloy base pads. 8 Round .45 Government 1911 Magazine

I did not know Tripp ever made a standard length, flush fit magazine, with a removable basepad. Can you show a picture of it? Or provide the model number off the side of the magazine. Thanks. CC

I was wrong. My Appologies