What brand/powder is close to WST?

[Buckshot Bear]

There's a lot of fast powders available in Australia again, unfortunately my WB .45acp powder WST is not one of them

What brand/powder is close to WST?

[Garrison Joe]

I'm not sure what availability of powders in Australia looks like right now, but to answer this with a US-suitable reply, I'd have to say TiteGroup (aka High Gun).  A good replacement for both pistol cartridge and shotgun, but slightly louder report and can be slightly dirty at low pressure.

Followed up with 700-X,Trail Boss, Bullseye, Solo 1000 and Winchester Super Handicap (won't be much data for these last two).  If you have to drop to slower powders, then Unique or Win 231.  We are not seeing any Alliant pistol/shotgun powders in our marketplace in US.

good luck, GJ

Edited Monday at 02:42 PM by Garrison Joe

[Long Fingers]

22 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said:

There's a lot of fast powders available in Australia again, unfortunately my WB .45acp powder WST is not one of them

What brand/powder is close to WST?

Clays if you have it available there? 
I think it feels softer than WST but some will argue the other way.  Shot 1000’s and 1000’s of 230 gr bullets on top of 3.9 of clays for USPSA. I would guess 3.4-3.6 would make a nice Wild Bunch load.  Clays has not been available here for a couple years so I switched to WST. 

LF. 

[Flying W Ramrod]

Vitivhouri is being used by a lot of shooters in the States

[Garrison Joe]

46 minutes ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

Vitivhouri is being used

If you are going to cite the VV powder company, then to be useful to the shooter, you should say WHICH of the several VV powders you see being used for WB.   GJ

[Buckshot Bear]

My apologies, how remiss was I not listing the powders that I do have on hand 😞 

Red Dot - Brand new huge 4kg containers of fresh powder just imported

Vitivhouri N320 - also a lot of it

Vectan AO

Trailboss - Newly made 2 x 1.5kg jugs

Lovex DO32 - a lot of this as well

ADI APS 350 which I think is 'Clays' its the new ADI powder that is replacing ADI AS30n

I know that seems like a lot, but I load for eight (8) of my family and we all shoot a LOT and I didn't want to ever get down to that bare a cupboard again!
I'm glad ADI is working overtime and getting powder out to Aussie reloaders again (and shipping O'seas as well) and when I see it I will buy it, but I'd like to work my way through those European powders that I have a lot of.

WST has been a GREAT powder in our Ruger SR1911's unfortunately Winchester Australia hasn't yet brought back any Winchester powders and don't seem keen to .....yet. 

[Flying W Ramrod]

7 hours ago, Garrison Joe said:

If you are going to cite the VV powder company, then to be useful to the shooter, you should say WHICH of the several VV powders you see being used for WB.   GJ

I use WST. I know a lot of shooters use VV but I don't know which, and, that decision should be up to the shooter.

[Garrison Joe]

Buckshot - I know that the Red Dot you have a stock of would work REAL well for you.   It was not on my list because here in the US, Alliant has not released any to the marketplace for 18 months or so now.  Same reason my list did not include Clays - has been impossible to find ever since Ukraine was invaded.  And, if you have a newly-made ADI powder that is a Clays replacement, that would work well too.

GJ

 

[El Chapo]

3 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

I use WST. I know a lot of shooters use VV but I don't know which, and, that decision should be up to the shooter.

N310 would be the common choice for .45 although there are slower powders that would work if needed.

[marshal stone]

I use VV N320 

Have won 2 World Senior Traditional Championships with it.

Marshal Stone

[Sedalia Dave]

Link to Lovex D032

https://explosia.cz/app/uploads/2016/11/reloading_Lovex_EN.pdf

Link to Shooters World Clean Shot

https://shootersworldpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Clean-Shot-Load-Data-Pistol.pdf

 

Looking at the data for D032 / Clean shot it will work for 45 ACP although the starting load is a little hot for WB ( PF of about 180 )

 

[El Chapo]

5 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

Link to Lovex D032

https://explosia.cz/app/uploads/2016/11/reloading_Lovex_EN.pdf

Link to Shooters World Clean Shot

https://shootersworldpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Clean-Shot-Load-Data-Pistol.pdf

 

Looking at the data for D032 / Clean shot it will work for 45 ACP although the starting load is a little hot for WB ( PF of about 180 )

 

In Quickload, 3.9 grains @ 1.255" length with a 228 grain Lee bullet RN gets you 158 pf @ 10,696 psi.    Bumping that to the 4.5 grain start load gets 182 pf @ 15,082 psi.  All out of a 5" barrel.  Quickload has the PF a little higher than predicted by the data you posted, but it's pretty close.  I just got some Clean Shot and I may try it in .45 ACP the next time I load for WB.  I'd have to reduce my Clays load to ~3 grains to get similar performance to 3.9 grains of Clean Shot, which probably wouldn't cycle very well.  Maybe Clean Shot is as great as people say it is!  I have 5 pounds to try.

[Buckshot Bear]

On 5/27/2025 at 11:15 PM, Garrison Joe said:

Buckshot - I know that the Red Dot you have a stock of would work REAL well for you.   It was not on my list because here in the US, Alliant has not released any to the marketplace for 18 months or so now.  Same reason my list did not include Clays - has been impossible to find ever since Ukraine was invaded.  And, if you have a newly-made ADI powder that is a Clays replacement, that would work well too.

GJ

 

Thanks Garrison much appreciated. We hadn't seen Alliant Red Dot for many many years down here, then all of a sudden nearly every gun shop in Oz had these big 4kg canisters of it, of course after such a long powder drought it flew off the shelves.