Col. Leigh Thal Ludlow

I'm with JFN on this. Give someone, daring enough to run only the pistol, a fighting chance! ;D

Nevada sweep revisited So I thought of a better way to do this shortly after posting that I think embraces our WBAS culture. 5 (or 4)target Nevada sweep for 14 shots: same as any other but put one target as a hostage type. Make the first or last shot a hostage type shot and proceed as normal. Alternatively you provide one target closer, or farther to absorb the remaining (non - symmetrical rounds) it all works out. Plus it is challenging to transition from fast sweep to precision shot, or vise-versa. Wbas is all about a challenge, right! :)

OK, that's a nice one for a progressive sweep! And a variation on it with 5 targets, you could do a 2-3-4-3-2 tap sweep. Next challenge - Something like a Nevada sweep (no double taps), to use 14 shots, and you don't want the simplest way of using four targets (or the dumb way with just 2 targets alternated). GJ I hesitate to play this game with you because you could ask for sweeps that you have previously determined don't work. Moreover, in my opinion the whole idea is that a change from the current expectation WILL be required. And we'd be better off for it! But to show that anything a person wants to do can be done... here we go. ;D Nevada Sweep: Three targets 1 on #1 " #2 " #3 " #2 " #1 " #2 " #3 For 7. Repeat for 14 Or, as I prefer show off our independence from CAS and slap down some movement to the next array, repeat or mix it up for 14, 21, 28... Four targets: 1 on #1 (KD that only gets shot the first time) we all like kd's right? 1 on #2 1 on #3 1 on #4 #3 #2 #3 #4 #3 #2 #3 #4 #3 #2 5 Targets: 1 ( KD), 2,3,4,5 ( KD),4,3,2,3,4,3,2,3,4 You may say I cheated. I say I improvised, overcame, adapted. It sounds like fun to me! ;D

I heard this called the "Tres Pinos sweep" . If attributable to someone else... My apologies! 2 on #1 3 on #2 4 on #3 5 on #4 For 14. Wash repeat Easy "There's no one Tres Pinos is #1"!

I am enjoying this discussion. It is great to hear all the justifications that are out there for why one is better than another. Some of these things I would have never anticipated. However, my intro to WBAS was with the 7 round per mag standard. The thing I first noticed ( after many years of CAS sweep experience - that I still enjoy) was a feeling of being off the ranch and doing something truly different. I didn't understand what the significant change was at first but I found that it had a lot to do with the unique sweeps and target arrays that I was shooting. For me it was another separation from CAS that made this game exciting and different enough to buy guns and gear or to pursue. I know that, with experience writing for seven, our talented stage writers will be able to innovate fun, exciting and different sweeps needed for any change that will also add to the spice of this amazing game we love to play! CLTL

My local club was inspired by the seven round per mag model. Started with a seven round per mag standard. Grew pretty well with that charter. It now has succumbed to the 5 round pressures. Very sad! I feel the fun has suffered and it is slipping into somewhat stale SASS 5 round sweeps and stage designs that seem like rehashed SASS stages. It will be interesting what happens to attendance.

So far, the stock Springfield mags have run without a hitch. I sometimes run metal form mags with a lanyard loop, just watch the position of your hand when you seat them or in an emergency "tap, rack, bang" situation! :'(